Fister Roboto posted:Having Medica II up at the phase transition to Brute Justice in A8N is an almost guaranteed way to wipe the raid. I'm astounded you haven't ignored me already And I've never had any problems with it. If new adds are coming out I just shroud and it's fine.  Maybe you keep getting lovely tanks or something.
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Does shroud reduce enmity generated on existing HoTs (and DoTs)? It'd be the only ability that effects over time effects without recasting them.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:54
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hobbesmaster posted:Does shroud reduce enmity generated on existing HoTs (and DoTs)? It'd be the only ability that effects over time effects without recasting them. It doesn't affect spells, it affects you. It cuts your current enmity by half, regardless of where or when it's coming from. Also, since I've come to think about it, which phase transition in brute justice normal happens without everyone taking some damage before the threat table is up? If it's not overhealing medica won't do poo poo for aggro, especially with shroud up.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:56
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hobbesmaster posted:Does shroud reduce enmity generated on existing HoTs (and DoTs)? It'd be the only ability that effects over time effects without recasting them. Yes, since it slashes your current enmity in half and enmity is linked directly to you. Dunno how it interacts with Luminiferous Aether though, since that's reduced generation instead of an enmity dump.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:57
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It has more to do with ping and how well your tanks can predict each other's actions. If they both go for the same add on the second wave, and the mt has to use provoke, then they have no way to deal with the extra agro and pointless overhealing during that phase transition. If they have their provoke up and ready to go, it won't help much if their ping makes the boss run out of melee range before their first attack. In both cases, dealing with the extra, pointless agro keeps the tank from contributing as much to the group DPS. Some overhealing is fine, but if you intentionally overheal in situations like that, you are putting the rest of the party in a worse position.
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Oct 5, 2016 19:06
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Saigyouji posted:Yes, since it slashes your current enmity in half and enmity is linked directly to you. Dunno how it interacts with Luminiferous Aether though, since that's reduced generation instead of an enmity dump. I only play SCH so I got those two cooldowns backwards, oops.
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Oct 5, 2016 19:06
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It's impossible to overstate just how useful the aggro dropping with Shroud is. Obviously, you shouldn't be getting aggro anyway, but in lesser content, it's a godsend.
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Oct 5, 2016 19:07
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:I'm astounded you haven't ignored me already jesus, do people not pop shroud on cooldown
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Oct 5, 2016 19:20
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Tenik posted:It has more to do with ping and how well your tanks can predict each other's actions. If they both go for the same add on the second wave, and the mt has to use provoke, then they have no way to deal with the extra agro and pointless overhealing during that phase transition. If they have their provoke up and ready to go, it won't help much if their ping makes the boss run out of melee range before their first attack. In both cases, dealing with the extra, pointless agro keeps the tank from contributing as much to the group DPS. Provoke isn't gonna do poo poo to medica 2 aggro if it's a problem. Also I'm curious how you wipe the raid by making aggro funny for a second or two at the start of the two adds, which both are targetable for a few seconds before they move at all. That's the only phase transition I can think of where you wouldn't have everyone taking a bunch of damage beforehand. Like, I get this thread is full of you guys who try to make everything perfect because you're savage raiders, but it's fuckin brute justice normal. It doesn't matter. You'll get aggro on one of them, they'll slowly waddle 2 feet over to you and maybe hit you, then the tank(s) will get aggro again. Or you'll hit shroud and nothing will happen. You're also assuming, against what I've said, that I'm using Medica 2 all day erryday, even though: LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:And I did say almost always. If everyone is full up and no damage is coming in then no poo poo don't cast it. Medica 2 is something you put up after a fight has started so that small and incidental damage is nullified without you having to worry about it. It's a workhorse during movement phases where bits of chip damage come out, and it can keep people alive if the arena is big enough that people will run out of range of you for short periods of time, especially if you pair it with regen. If you run into aggro problems while using medica 2, either you're open palm slamming it before the fight starts and threat is established, your tanks suck, or you don't know that shroud of saints exists or how it works.
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Oct 5, 2016 19:21
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i'm playing the most mp-intensive class in the game, time to sit on my biggest mp management cooldown ~just in case~
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Oct 5, 2016 19:21
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the actual funniest way to pull with medica ii is running it while nidhogg's in the air, because he lands and immediately cleaves the whole raid
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Oct 5, 2016 19:22
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Reiterpallasch posted:the actual funniest way to pull with medica ii is running it while nidhogg's in the air, because he lands and immediately cleaves the whole raid owns, time to dust off my whm
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Oct 5, 2016 19:23
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Reiterpallasch posted:the actual funniest way to pull with medica ii is running it while nidhogg's in the air, because he lands and immediately cleaves the whole raid I've had this happen in a lot of hoggex parties. 
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Oct 5, 2016 19:25
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:I'm astounded you haven't ignored me already I'm sorry that you think so poorly of your own posting. Shroud is an incredibly useful tool in the right hands, but as a tank, I rarely see it used properly outside of preformed groups. 90% of the time people use it as a an "oh poo poo" button when they're almost out of MP, and usually they're out of MP because they've been spamming Medica and Medica II whenever someone gets a boo boo.
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Oct 5, 2016 19:26
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I've been off this game for about a year, basically played a week of 3.1 and stopped, do people still use WTFast? I remember hearing it isn't free anymore but the game definitely felt sluggish without it. I saw that mudras are client-side now which was one of the biggest offenders, but the game in general just felt less responsive than something like WoW without WTFast. Is there a different free option people use?
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Oct 5, 2016 19:27
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:Provoke isn't gonna do poo poo to medica 2 aggro if it's a problem. Brute Justice doesn't share aggro with the robot from the beginning. If a healer is pumping out massive heals right as it spawns in, they're getting double rocket punched
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Oct 5, 2016 19:27
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Mudfish costs like 3 dollars and will last like 200 hours easily.
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Oct 5, 2016 19:28
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Please use your cooldowns.
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cheetah7071 posted:Brute Justice doesn't share aggro with the robot from the beginning. If a healer is pumping out massive heals right as it spawns in, they're getting double rocket punched You mean the part when everyone's going to take half their health in damage when brute justice lands, so medica 2 isn't overhealing anymore? And everyone is stacked together so the tanks don't have to be confused over what needs to happen? also lol at calling "having medica 2 ticking" "massive heals"
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Countblanc posted:I've been off this game for about a year, basically played a week of 3.1 and stopped, do people still use WTFast? I remember hearing it isn't free anymore but the game definitely felt sluggish without it. I saw that mudras are client-side now which was one of the biggest offenders, but the game in general just felt less responsive than something like WoW without WTFast. Is there a different free option people use? try it again without, it might have improved for you if you changed providers recently if not, mudfish is cheapest, i think battleping or pingzapper have free trials as well terrified of my bathroom posted:Please use your cooldowns. what i have above 50% mp, don't need to use blood price
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Countblanc posted:I've been off this game for about a year, basically played a week of 3.1 and stopped, do people still use WTFast? I remember hearing it isn't free anymore but the game definitely felt sluggish without it. I saw that mudras are client-side now which was one of the biggest offenders, but the game in general just felt less responsive than something like WoW without WTFast. Is there a different free option people use? WTFast is garbage and possibly also a scam. Mudfish has been working pretty well for me, and being able to pay by traffic is a lot more reasonable.
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Oct 5, 2016 19:31
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As with many things, the issue is less Medica 2 and more the people using it wrongly. Different story around launch before enmity buffs happened though. Lol, titan ex.
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Oct 5, 2016 19:32
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I know someone who put 2 dollars into his mudfish credit like 4 years ago and he still hasn't used it all, and he regularly uses it to play gundam online. It's ridic cheap.
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Oct 5, 2016 19:32
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terrified of my bathroom posted:Please use your cooldowns. This, but for every class tia
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Oct 5, 2016 19:34
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Hey, don't tell me to not hold onto that Ewer in my spread for the entire dungeon because I might need it ~just in case~
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Oct 5, 2016 19:42
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:also lol at calling "having medica 2 ticking" "massive heals" It's not so much that it's a massive heal, but the overall poor timing of it. Here's a brief timeline of what happens: 0:00 Brute Justice Spawns 0:01 Medica II tics, Brute Justice aggros to healer A 0:03 Tank provokes and uses ranged attack, Brute Justice aggros to tank 0:04 Medica II tics, Brute Justice aggros to healer A 0:05 Brute Justice starts casting Double Rocket Punch on Healer A. At this point Healer A is dead and there's nothing they can do, even if the tank gets aggro before the cast ends 0:07 Both Healer A and Healer B die because Healer B doesn't think to move out of the way, or because they think they can save Healer A by splitting the damage
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Oct 5, 2016 19:42
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Davoren posted:There were several hundred posts between now and when I wrote about it before, so maybe it's been covered, but if anyone in the EU was doing the magazine offer for the original fat chocobo, I emailed them today and they claimed they sent the code, but I didn't receive it. They were able to issue me a new code in those emails, so if you're still waiting tell them. I had a similar thing but it turned out the email had got put into the promotions folder in my gmail.
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Oct 5, 2016 19:43
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:You mean the part when everyone's going to take half their health in damage when brute justice lands, so medica 2 isn't overhealing anymore? And everyone is stacked together so the tanks don't have to be confused over what needs to happen? I don't know exactly what these healers were doing to exceed my tomahawk aggro effortlessly, but there is a point in A8 where the healer will die for healing too much.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:You mean the part when everyone's going to take half their health in damage when brute justice lands, so medica 2 isn't overhealing anymore? And everyone is stacked together so the tanks don't have to be confused over what needs to happen? I don't play a healer but I am really certain there is no aggro difference between regular healing and overhealing.
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Oct 5, 2016 19:43
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Is the MSQ really making me do a level 50 trial? Or am I reading that wrong?
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Edit : yes, it is. There are some changes to the dialog for it. You should see if you can get a group together to undersize it. Brute Justice spawns about 15 seconds before he lands, so healers can get a substantial agro lead. If a healer decides to overheal when everyone groups up, preemptively casts medica II for the landing, and misses the window and has to recast it, then boss will head right towards that healer. While this might not matter in normal Alex, situations like that can quickly spiral out of control in difficult content, which is why the person who started this conversation said they wished there was a way to practice EX and savage fights without the risk of upsetting other players.
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cheetah7071 posted:I don't know exactly what these healers were doing to exceed my tomahawk aggro effortlessly, but there is a point in A8 where the healer will die for healing too much. There is a window of time after Brute Justice comes down, between the raidwide AoE/knockback, and becoming targettable. Stupid healers pop their AoE heals and start topping people off during this window, establishing a heavy threat lead before a tank can even target the boss for provoke or any kind of threat move. These healers usually wind up getting double-rocket-punched, and its not your fault. In fact, I encourage letting them get their dumb selves killed. There is very little outgoing AoE damage immediately after Brute Justice becomes targettable. I started healing more often last patch purely because J. Random Pubhealer, Esq. couldn't be trusted to not get their own dumb rear end killed, and I didn't feel like wasting time wiping to the phase transition. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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boy are my arms tired posted:honestly for normals if you keep me alive during tankbusters / the raid alive during aoes/prey, and you're not dying to mechanics, i'm not watching your throughput and i don't care what your numbers are, you're doing your job That's my philosophy. If I ragged on every Honest Healer or dumb dps I encounter in roulette I'd have carpal tunnel syndrome. EDIT: Tae posted:Is the MSQ really making me do a level 50 trial? Or am I reading that wrong? Yes it is. Pay attention to Titan's dialog. It makes it sort of worth it. Honestly, I would have just reconfigured the fight to make it a 1-person Duty. I mean it probably could be solo'd by every job if it wasn't for Gaol e;fb SirPhoebos fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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Oct 5, 2016 20:06
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Josuke Higashikata posted:You need a Guildhest or GC recruit for Careless Whisper it seems, so time to spam Under the Armor for that sweet 1 minute and done action. I just got her after getting a chocobo racing challenge log done. 
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Oct 5, 2016 20:13
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Gold Saucer challenge log can recruit any of the 60 recruits. WILDCARD, BABY
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Oct 5, 2016 20:14
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Fister Roboto posted:WTFast is garbage and possibly also a scam. WTFast definitely works for me, but the cheaper options should be at least as good so use Mudfish or whatever instead.
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Oct 5, 2016 20:15
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Top Hate and Suit posted:I just got her after getting a chocobo racing challenge log done. Gold Saucer are the wildcard things, so you can get anyone with them. I'm well jealous though.
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Oct 5, 2016 20:18
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Top Hate and Suit posted:I just got her after getting a chocobo racing challenge log done. Hrrgghhh want that Roegadame in my squad 
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Oct 5, 2016 20:55
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While I'd really like to recruit that George Michael song, I'd have a hard time figuring out who to get rid of to make room. Maybe if I were to switch her class, assuming stats switch automatically to the standard stats of that class.
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I'd let her be the Warrior of Light in my stead.
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