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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
| Total: | 206 votes | ||
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Former SNP MP and social media idiot charged with fraud: http://stv.tv/news/west-central/1368249-mp-natalie-mcgarry-charged-in-connection-with-fraud-offences/
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Crossposting from ukmt: she's a loving idiot.
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Sep 27, 2016 17:27
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The rise and continued fall of Natalie McGarry would make a good in depth article at some point. By all accounts she was someone who wasn't particularly bright but was an expert at being in all the right places at the right times. Especially as part of WFI where she managed to leverage herself as one of the key figureheads behind its success. She's like an inept Frank Underwood and now the house of cards is crashing down around her. Hopefully she'll just do the noble thing and resign so the SNP can put someone better in the seat (Yes, I'm being presumptuous but lol if you think Labour stand a chance in a by-election).
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Sep 27, 2016 23:08
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Pissflaps posted:Crossposting from ukmt: she's a loving idiot. I agree with Pissflaps. Will she ever resign I wonder? The dodgy nature of so much of the 2016 intake might be the only thing that can lead to a resurrection of ScotLab at this point
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Sep 28, 2016 11:51
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Unfortunately the barrage of baseless SNP BAD stories will help poo poo like this slink away under the radar. Criticising the SNP is no longer effectively possible in a wider context because the onslaught of bullshit accusations have inured people to accurate critique.
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Sep 28, 2016 11:53
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It seems to me that this whole 'SNP BAD' thing is a way of writing off any criticism, regardless of merit. Governments get criticised all the time. Imagine the reaction to someone trying to spin 'TORY BAD' as a thing.
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Sep 28, 2016 12:16
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Coohoolin posted:Unfortunately the barrage of baseless SNP BAD stories will help poo poo like this slink away under the radar. Criticising the SNP is no longer effectively possible in a wider context because the onslaught of bullshit accusations have inured people to accurate critique. I really don't think this is true at all. In fact, I'm struggling to think of any "baseless SNP BAD" stories - I certainly don't think the SNP has received more criticism in recent years, especially given it's been in government, than most other political parties. Quite the opposite in fact, since unlike 1999-2007 they don't take heat from criticism of government at Westminster, and the Scottish media (both print and broadcast, public and private) does a piss poor job of discussing and analysing the Parliament's work, resulting in little more than retyped press releases. I suspect you're conflating criticism of the SNP with criticisms of independence. Criticism of the SNP is no longer effectively possible because SNP supporters seem - far moreso than any other mainstream party - to have internalised SNP support as a basis for identity, so criticism of their record is either ignored or hand-waved away as irrelevant, because it's the intangible identity that matters, not boring, tedious things like what they've actually done (and not done) with the tools of government
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Sep 28, 2016 12:22
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Niric posted:I really don't think this is true at all. In fact, I'm struggling to think of any "baseless SNP BAD" stories - I certainly don't think the SNP has received more criticism in recent years, especially given it's been in government, than most other political parties. Quite the opposite in fact, since unlike 1999-2007 they don't take heat from criticism of government at Westminster, and the Scottish media (both print and broadcast, public and private) does a piss poor job of discussing and analysing the Parliament's work, resulting in little more than retyped press releases. I suspect you're conflating criticism of the SNP with criticisms of independence. I'm thinking of stuff like accusing them of charging expenses for business class flights (which don't exist between Edinburgh/Glasgow and London, and are actually on average lower than when Labour had the most MPs) or the collapsing schools being blamed on the SNP when it was previous Labour governments who hosed it up. Stuff like that. Small stories, day by day, constantly trying to discredit the SNP to the point of it becoming white noise.
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Sep 28, 2016 13:31
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I thought the blame for the schools was being placed on private contractors and the council?
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Sep 28, 2016 14:21
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Coohoolin posted:I'm thinking of stuff like accusing them of charging expenses for business class flights (which don't exist between Edinburgh/Glasgow and London, and are actually on average lower than when Labour had the most MPs) or the collapsing schools being blamed on the SNP when it was previous Labour governments who hosed it up. Stuff like that. Small stories, day by day, constantly trying to discredit the SNP to the point of it becoming white noise. You're banging on about 'SNP BAD' then literally blaming Labour for a structural fault in a school building.
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Sep 28, 2016 14:41
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cargohills posted:I thought the blame for the schools was being placed on private contractors and the council? Yeah and a bunch of papers were blaming the SNP for allowing the contractors and councils to gently caress it up.
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Sep 28, 2016 16:50
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So generally the blame's been spread across three different groups?
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Sep 28, 2016 17:01
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cargohills posted:So generally the blame's been spread across three different groups? I think you were more right the first time. The SNP has received negligible blow back from that story. Not that they should have (and from what I understand, the council got undue criticism, since the contracts were all standard - it was the case of the private contractor doing a poo poo job) but coohoolin's undermining his own argument by using this as an example.
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Sep 28, 2016 17:27
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Coohoolin posted:Unfortunately the barrage of baseless SNP BAD stories will help poo poo like this slink away under the radar. Criticising the SNP is no longer effectively possible in a wider context because the onslaught of bullshit accusations have inured people to accurate critique. I'm... not sure the best takeaway from SNP affiliates being shitters is "well the real problem is that people criticize the SNP too much and that means people can't take criticism seriously!"
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Sep 28, 2016 18:30
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I thought 'SNP bad' came about from the standard scottish labour strategy of, when being interviewed, to take any question and immediately find the shortest possible path to attack the snp rather than talking about their own views/policies. Which got a bit tedious after a while. I'm not surprised that the hardline snp devotees have managed to ruin a phrase but.
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Sep 28, 2016 19:31
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Angepain posted:I thought 'SNP bad' came about from the standard scottish labour strategy of, when being interviewed, to take any question and immediately find the shortest possible path to attack the snp rather than talking about their own views/policies. Which got a bit tedious after a while. I'm not surprised that the hardline snp devotees have managed to ruin a phrase but. That's what I meant. When the schools started collapsing a bunch of papers immediately tried to connect it to the SNP in any way, no matter how tenuous, and the connection they went with ended up being more damning for Labour in the end anyway if anything. It's the Slab and media approach of taking anything bad and trying to connect it to the SNP.
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Sep 28, 2016 21:21
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Going by facebook, it seems to have immediately descended into SNPBAD from the unionists, and it's all a conspiracy from a lot of the Yessers (not just SNP, the most vociferous defender I've noticed is a Green). So yeah, it seems to be getting tuned out like white noise.
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Sep 29, 2016 07:39
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I'm not sure the content of your Facebook feed is a very representative sample.
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Sep 29, 2016 08:07
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Scotland's papers: Painkiller warning and steel revival quote:Campaigners have won a major victory in their fight against a series of proposed downgrades or closures of local NHS services after Holyrood's opposition parties united to inflict an "embarrassing defeat" on the Scottish government, says The Herald.
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Sep 29, 2016 08:26
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Coohoolin posted:I'm thinking of stuff like accusing them of charging expenses for business class flights (which don't exist between Edinburgh/Glasgow and London, ...). Yeah they do mate, I've taken them. It's not the same as a Club Europe/Club World BA setup on the plane but it's still an upgraded service on the plane & gets you through the airport a lot quicker. Lounge access as well which is the only thing flying has going for it over the train.
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Sep 29, 2016 08:32
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In more SNP BAD news another SNP MP is being investigated by the police. Countdown until he's disowned by the party?
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Sep 29, 2016 11:49
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 I'm not sure I approve of this irresponsible use of time travel tbh.
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Sep 30, 2016 03:26
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OwlFancier posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcKT0-m8Oe0
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Sep 30, 2016 08:26
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OwlFancier posted:
I, too, don't approve of Tom Hiddleston's decision to use this revolutionary technology as a means of starring in a synth pop video circa 1983 God help me, I'm agreeing with Sarah Vine
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Sep 30, 2016 11:30
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Some good news:quote:Prejudice of all types 'falling across Scotland' The full report is available here.
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Sep 30, 2016 13:25
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Scotland's papers: Missing masterpiece and Kardashian heist quote:The Herald leads with a new "hard-hitting" report which claims cancer patients are having to deal with delays in diagnosis, staffing shortages and a "chaotic" appointment system. No P&J again today, which as someone in the central belt not all that interested in the day to day proceedings of the energy industry doesn't much bother me, but I suspect those of you who live in the North east might disagree. For those of you wondering, yes, the story on the national's front page is complete tosh: HIETRANS, HIE and the Highlands council commission a report which, surprising no one, claims that it would be great if a big shiny impressive-looking project was pursued on their watch, and would totally be worth it. Paid for by central government, obviously. I haven't seen the army and the human rights act story discussed much in the UKMT (because someone mentioned space weapons and apparently that's up there with pissflaps/crisp chat in terms of thread fascinations), but are there any actual non-awful arguments or events that have occurred to support it? Because it just seems so intuitively terrible. On a more optimistic note (that will hopefully get some positive coverage tomorrow, but will probably get ignored and/or yelled at by the express and Mail), the SNP are proposing to use electronic tags as an alternative to prison for a variety of offences.
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Oct 4, 2016 08:37
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God, what idiots the SNP are. Don't they know most scots families don't even have £1bn in their accounts? This is going to create such a debt crisis, what are they thinking.
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Oct 4, 2016 08:53
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Angepain posted:God, what idiots the SNP are. Don't they know most scots families don't even have £1bn in their accounts? This is going to create such a debt crisis, what are they thinking. They aren't thinking anything. The story is based on "analysis" done by the conservative party, so I'd be highly sceptical of everything in it, especially the headline figures and the assumptions they're based on. It's nothing to do with new taxes; according to the telegraph, the "decision not to copy the UK Government’s plans to increase the threshold for the 40p rate of income tax to £50,000 by the end of this parliament is expected to generate the vast majority of the total." I suspect the £1bn figure is more or less baseless fantasy using the most extreme assumptions and projections they felt they could get away with. However, if the SNP have any nous they could easily spin this as a positive; the Tories' own figures saying the SNP will, without raising taxes, have cleverly raised an extra billion pounds to invest or to combat "Tory austerity"
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Oct 4, 2016 13:24
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I know everyone in this thread might not always see eye to eye but I read this  and, well, it makes you think, doesn't it?
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Oct 5, 2016 22:44
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Do you have cronies Pissflaps? I went to the theatre last night. They got Willie Rennie up on stage. It was distressing, he tried to adlib.
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Oct 5, 2016 22:49
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I'm not sure what 'cronies' is in English so I can't answer that.
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Oct 5, 2016 22:52
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Pissflaps posted:I'm not sure what 'cronies' is in English so I can't answer that. That word is actually not written in  scots http://www.dictionary.com/browse/crony?s=t
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Oct 5, 2016 22:55
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Acaila posted:Do you have cronies Pissflaps? It wasn't trainspotting was it? And I'm disappointed he didn't just say "Willie Rennie" while shyly grinning like a wee boy fluffing his lines at the school play jre posted:That word is actually not written in That's what Pissflaps is "amusingly" drawing attention to.
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Oct 6, 2016 08:17
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No, The Suppliant Women at the Lyceum. They're going all ancient Greek about it and having various politicians in to do the libations at the beginning. I swear to Dionysus though, as soon as they announced him, I sat there in desperate hoping he would say his name, which seems a vain hope considering he'd already be introduced by name. But no. Willie Rennie did not disappoint. I practically cheered.
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Oct 6, 2016 18:23
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Good news everyone, Scottish blood is inherently less racist https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedBen/status/785126783163039745 though the Scottish part of that chart doesn't actually appear on the article linked, so I assume they threw it out in a later edit due to small sample size or something e: well it's gone for me from the thumbnail as well, it showed "Scottish" with a slight lean to Hillary. now this post is even more pointless than it was to begin with Angepain fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Oct 9, 2016 |
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Oct 9, 2016 16:14
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SNP to discuss changing voting system from FTPT to STV for Holyrood.
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Oct 12, 2016 11:52
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My concern with Scottish politics at the minute is that the National Question looms over us to the point that we're not noticing how hosed we are either way. Either we stay in the UK and have to deal with the fallout of Brexit, or become independent and work out how to deal with our horrifying deficit which we're pretending doesn't exist. What worries me is that it's not really in anyone's political interest to say "everything is going to get worse regardless of what we do", but continuing to ignore that will likely mean the future gets even bleaker. I don't really know how to address this, and feel sad.
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Oct 12, 2016 18:37
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vegetables posted:My concern with Scottish politics at the minute is that the National Question looms over us to the point that we're not noticing how hosed we are either way. Either we stay in the UK and have to deal with the fallout of Brexit, or become independent and work out how to deal with our horrifying deficit which we're pretending doesn't exist. What worries me is that it's not really in anyone's political interest to say "everything is going to get worse regardless of what we do", but continuing to ignore that will likely mean the future gets even bleaker. I don't really know how to address this, and feel sad. We push hard left Scottish politics to borrow like gently caress and nationalise the oil.
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Oct 12, 2016 19:41
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Coohoolin posted:We push hard left Scottish politics to borrow like gently caress and nationalise the oil. There is no oil. Revenues are down 97%. And good luck trying to nationalise what's left of the industry when you can't afford to pay for it and you can't afford to replace it. Maybe you can borrow some more from the banks that already aren't going to lend to you because you have no assets sufficient to secure what you owe now?
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Oct 12, 2016 19:57
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If you pulled down the rigs and scrapped the boats you could temporarily restart Scottish Steelmaking.
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Oct 12, 2016 20:01
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