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I mean I know people who think that Hillary is going easy on Trump because they're both rich and run in the same social circles, unlike when she invented birtherism to defeat Obama.
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Justin Timberwolf posted:Here's a neo-nazi at a Trump rally explaining how the holocaust is a hoax while people chant TRUMP behind him. i'm mini trump in the background. Also Only Nate Silver has given Trump the best chance to win.
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smug n stuff posted:Here's a hot take from a guy who mostly just lurks this thread: You picked the absolute best and most adorable photo for that.
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Gary Johnson won't name leader of North Korea Jesus Christ, Gary  . Even giving him the benefit of the doubt, that he refused to name NK's leader as a protest to gotcha questioning...did he really not predict that it would lead to this sort of headline?
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cult member at airport posted:Gary Johnson won't name leader of North Korea "Gary Johnson: Literally less capable at foreign policy than Donald Trump?"
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NikkolasKing posted:I think she has no principles because she got us involved in a ton of horrible poo poo that killed people. Not just Iraq but Libya. NYTimes said she was the main proponent for intervention there that seems to have led to a chaotic "failed state." So.... vote against the candidate who will respect and enshrine your friends' rights and privileges (as one among many policy planks that can at absolute bare minimum be summed up as Sanity and Continuity: The Platform) because you're... offended on their behalf that she is merely a totally adequate rather than vociferous or pioneering benefactor? Really? Have you asked your friends how they feel this strategy is benefiting them? HookedOnChthonics fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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Justin Timberwolf posted:Here's a neo-nazi at a Trump rally explaining how the holocaust is a hoax while people chant TRUMP behind him. State of Jefferson, the proto-Bundyite insurrection.
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cult member at airport posted:Gary Johnson won't name leader of North Korea I laughed like the Joker reading that headline. That man is only slightly smarter than Trump and that's a low bar.
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FAUXTON posted:Nebraska's districts are some of the most hilarious poo poo because the populations of all three are 570k so you can see how far apart these fuckers live from each other in the 1st and 3rd districts compared to the 2nd which is Omaha and some white trash suburbs they bolted on in 2010 to try keeping it a hard R. I love how Nebraska's soooo proooooud of it's splitting the vote thing like Maine has and then Obama took Omaha's district and people here immediately started crying about it. Did I say love? Loathe. Loathe is what I meant.
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cult member at airport posted:Gary Johnson won't name leader of North Korea Jesus it's been the same name for decades.
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cult member at airport posted:Gary Johnson won't name leader of North Korea Fervent isolationism is a hell of a drug.
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NikkolasKing posted:I'm holding out hope. Just yesterday I had no idea who Julian Assange was. Maybe this was all just the most amazing and fortuitous timing. Wait. You were hoping that Assange DID drop some sort of bomb to destroy Hillary's campaign? NikkolasKing posted:
How does that make any sense when you want the best for your gay and transgender friends? Because Pence and Trump will not be better, I assure you. Edit: "What do I have to lose." ???? ???????? It's not just about what you have to lose. Artificer fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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cult member at airport posted:Gary Johnson won't name leader of North Korea Gary Johnson is actually an NK manchurian candidate and giving the only acceptable juche answer--NK is led forever into glory by Eternal President Kim-Il Sung--would have revealed this, so he had to keep mum  e: The Johnson had initially wanted to join Trump on the covert Russian gravy train but Putin wasn't biting so he had to shop a little down-market, which, hey, hand of the free market, right? HookedOnChthonics fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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cult member at airport posted:Gary Johnson won't name leader of North Korea I thought he stopped smoking pot for the election.
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FAUXTON posted:Nebraska's districts are some of the most hilarious poo poo because the populations of all three are 570k so you can see how far apart these fuckers live from each other in the 1st and 3rd districts compared to the 2nd which is Omaha and some white trash suburbs they bolted on in 2010 to try keeping it a hard R. The GOP would fight to preserve the Hard R.
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disjoe posted:I've never seen Gary Johnson and Dennis Rodman in the same room Pretty sure Dennis Rodman understands more about North Korea (and Foreign Relations involving it).
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NikkolasKing posted:It's not all just typical Right Wing bullshit. There are plenty of liberals out there who absolutely hate her. Liberals who have actually argued that Hillary never cared about gays or transgender people until it was convenient to support them. Maybe I bought into that and it was all propaganda. but those are the most important domestic issues to me since I see the kind of poo poo some of my friends have to put up with and that whole transgender bathrooms crap pisses me off. fyi when hillary became secretary of state, she actually made it a lot easier for trans people to change the name and gender marker on their passports than it had been before.
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Jarmak posted:Eh, this is contentious at best, I'm not trying to attack Hillary I'm just saying there was something valid for them to complain about (or at least make the argument for) and not only did they ignore it they effectively insulated Hillary from that line of attack by embracing the full-on nutjob approach. The next logical step of the reasonable criticism of underfunding would be to raise taxes on the rich and fund security, and Republicans don't want to do that because they're only interested in funding boondoggles that funnel trillions of dollars to defense contractors. So there's that, and then also they went whole hog on the insane conspiracy theory strategy from the moment Obama took office, and they're kind of locked into it now, both because they depend on the crazy poo poo to get people to vote for them in the general and because any hint of conciliation or compromise toward Obama will be used to bash you in the primaries.
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GalacticAcid posted:The GOP would fight to preserve the Hard R. That's because they can't enjoy a show without a dose of violence toward women, graphic depictions of hate crimes, and scenes of child molestation.
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Augus posted:remember how almost everyone was calling for Obama to do something in Libya and calling for Gaddhafi's head mere days before they decided "Libya was a mistake, how stupid were they to get involved in this" It's fair to criticize the exit strategy, however. There was none.
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Augus posted:remember how almost everyone was calling for Obama to do something in Libya and calling for Gaddhafi's head mere days before they decided "Libya was a mistake, how stupid were they to get involved in this" This is what frustrates me most about the isolationist left. They declare US action in Syria as militaristic warmongering and US inaction in Rwanda as shameful cowardice. They want the US to stop international violence, just without using any violence to do so.
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"I think Hillary was way too slow to start advocating for the lgbt community...so instead I'll vote for the guy that supports gay conversion therapy" -a straight man that sincerely cares for the rights of gay and transgender people Justin Timberwolf posted:It's fair to criticize the exit strategy, however. There was none. man what a world we would live in if the Republican Party leveled intelligent and realistic criticisms towards the current administration. but that would take more than three syllables Augus fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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punk rebel ecks posted:During the primaries, one of the key arguments against voting for Bernie Sanders ....After seeing Trump falter so hard during this general election, do people still think that would the case? Yes. Even more so now than then because Clinton has exceeded my already high expectations for her ability to play Trump. I believe that Trump would have done to Bernie what he did to Jeb! And what Pence did to Kaine. Sone of my reasons for this belief, in no particular order, are: 1) Clinton's most effective way to provoke Trump was to imply he's not actually that rich. She ended his lucid period in the debate with that jab. Bernie, otoh, would have been attacking Trump's wealth as a negative - which involves acknowledging or even exaggerating his wealth. This line of attack would play well only with voters Bernie already has while energizing Trump's base and effectively fluffing Trump on stage. Happy Trump wouldn't have come across as unhinged as angry Trump. Why yes I am immensely wealthy, because I'm smart and a great businessman which is what America needs! 2) Republican women ignore sexism as hard as they possibly can. You have to shove it directly in their faces in an absolutely undeniable way to get them to admit a republican candidate views them as lesser beings. But when you do this they get very mad. When Trump talks down to another man he doesn't rile them up the way he does talking down to Clinton. It also energizes women on the left like you wouldn't believe. Put a man - any man - on that stage and this dynamic is lost. Not only does it not trigger the same reaction but also Trump is less rude to other men. Not that he isn't rude, but he is more challenging and less contemptuous, I want you to be happy, Secretary. Which again means he doesn't come across as badly as he did. As Pence just showed us, you don't lose simply for being an rear end. I suspect we won't see the full fury of the scorned till election day and think we have non-trivial odds of a Mondale quality trouncing of trump with Clinton. A loss so overwhelming would do for progressives what Reagan did for conservatives and change the course of the nation for decades to come. 3) Taxes. Both Bernie and Trump refused to release their tax returns. Trump probably because his image hinges on you thinking he is much richer than he is and Bernie probably because his image hinges on people thinking he is much poorer than he actually is. The guy whose tag line is about fighting banks and stopping the millionaires and billionaires can't let it be known that he is himself a millionaire several times over with not one but three houses and presumable an ample nest egg invested in Wall Street. So with Bernie on the stage the tax question is aimed at both of them instead of just Trump and Trump has the better answer. I filed extensive financial disclosures, this guy hasn't filed anything! What's he hiding?!?" 4- Cuba. Everyone is so happy that Trump's illegal dealings with Fidel will probably tip the balance in Clinton's favor in Florida. But that's just business. Bernie, by contrast, is on record as gushing about how awesome Fidel is: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/272485-sanders-defends-past-praise-of-fidel-castro. And you can bet your booty that the self described socialist would have been called to defend those remarks in the debate. You can kiss Florida buh bye right there and it's part of why Clinton trounced Bernie 64-33 in Florida. 5- Trump kicks Bernie's butt in terms of personal presentation/grooming. Bernie limbos under even the very low male bar for that. His unkempt-ness signals that he doesn't care enough to take this seriously and doesn't respect the people he seeks to lead. People who don't dress up routinely look uncomfortable and awkward when forced to dress up. 6- Trump can't win African American voters, but against Bernie his attempts to de-motivate African American voters would work much better. Bernie doesn't like talking about minority issues and is on record calling them a "distraction" so he wouldn't be attacking Trump on that flank with anywhere near the vigor or sincerity of Clinton. Bernie's handling of Flint was awful and he matches Trump gaffe for gaffe in things like calling African American neighborhoods, "ghettos". There is footage of Bernie on the Ed show massively overestimating the unemployment and criminality of black youth in Ferguson. Clinton did amazing with the question about racism in police departments in a way that will GOTV. Bernie would have shot himself in the foot. Repeatedly. 7- Debating requires being quick on your mental feet. This is not Bernie's strong suit. Even Bernie's ardent supporters were begging him to come up with new material and not pivot everything to the same old stump speech after a few months. Trump could pull up any speech of his ever and come up with zingers to use in the debate and Bernie would walk face first into each one. 8- Bernie negates a lot of Trump's negatives by being as uninformed/unprepared as Trump is on many issues. For example, Trump talks about renegotiating our national debt and Bernie talks about putting farmers on the board at the fed. Hillary can call Trump out for not having actual plans to back his rhetoric. Bernie has no idea if it's legal to break up the big banks because he's never looked into it despite campaigning on it for months. Hillary is calm, cool, and collected in a dramatic contrast to Trump. Bernie's schtik is to shout a lot while waving his finger at you ... Think how Kaine's anger made Pence look better/more in control. Bernie would do that for Trump. We saw how Trump got under people's skin in the primary and then made them look weak for getting angry. I could go on at some length in this vein but that's plenty to start with if you want to rebut.
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Justin Timberwolf posted:Here's a neo-nazi at a Trump rally explaining how the holocaust is a hoax while people chant TRUMP behind him. Is that guy in the back left cosplaying Trump?
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This would be great but it just won't happen, the odds of that are indeed trivial. Mondale lost all states except for Minnesota and DC. We're too polarized for anything like that to happen in the foreseeable future
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Instant Sunrise posted:fyi when hillary became secretary of state, she actually made it a lot easier for trans people to change the name and gender marker on their passports than it had been before. Right, Hillary as Secretary of State is the reason Trans people are able to put their preferred gender on passports without needing surgery first, and the UN stating that "LBGT rights are human rights."
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Zerilan posted:Right, Hillary as Secretary of State is the reason Trans people are able to put their preferred gender on passports without needing surgery first, and the UN stating that "LBGT rights are human rights." But she's an icky girl so...
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You know, I am not a Hillary fan by any stretch and I did vote for Bernie in the primaries, but I find it difficult to disagree with any of this. I was still hoping it would not end up being Trump as the republican nominee but there you go. I guess things play out as they're meant to.
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I still think Sanders would manage to defeat Trump primarily because Trump is actually an idiot. Most of Trump's success has come due to a hell of a lot of luck in the primary or due to being propped up hard by the right wing media. His entire campaign apparatus relies on grifting the RNC to have any kind of organization or ground game, and I think we've seen that when the media does decide to go after him his 'I will use the media for publicity and not run ads at all' thing turns on him real hard. Trump's seeming successes, such as they are, are mostly due to tapping into cultural forces and a large and organized establishment that keeps telling itself 'With enough whiskey the supreme court is worth any price, we can control him, it'll be fine'. I don't doubt Sanders' campaign wouldn't be nearly as well run or that he'd struggle more fighting him, but Trump is not a political genius.
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Sanders never proved he could turn out the minority vote. I don't really get why but that's reason enough for me to be satisfied with Clinton repping many of Bernie's positions.
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Trabisnikof posted:Aren't you the same person who hasn't been paying attention to politics for like 5+ years? Have you considered that by the time political information trickled down to you it might get tainted? That was something I was doing till about June, yes. Then I figured everybody wouldn't shut up about this election for a reason and looked up what I could with Google-Fu. ImpAtom posted:Have you actually looked into her voting record or are you just going off what 'liberals' say. Keep in mind that when you say liberal I don't know if you mean 40 year old lifelong Democrat, a frustrated angry Bernout who believes every rumor thrown at Clinton, or a completely unironic Jill Stein supporter. Do you not think that there are liberals who can be biased against other liberals? Of course there are. I was just trying to say I don't care about "emailgate" or "Benghazi" or other Right Wing insanity. I'm perhaps uninformed but I'm not quite ready to start following Infowars. And I think it was stuff like Washington Post or Slate that talked about her changing views on gay rights. Artificer posted:http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-was-liberal-hillary-clinton-is-liberal/ Okay geez, I'm sorry. I saw it on C-SPAN where she declared marriage was a thing only between a man and a woman. I guess that's old and outdated now. quote:Edit: gently caress I wonder how many people would've decried the administrations if they had never gone into interventions. Hell Clinton gets shat on for not intervening in Rwanda, which was an awful thing. Goddamn. Turns out life is hard. Gadaffi was in power for decades. Sadly, I don't think most people gave a poo poo about Libya. I freely admit that I wasn't overly concerned with it either. I was too focused on personal poo poo for a long time and I want to fix that. I'm gonna go watch The Choice now like was recommended to me. It looks interesting but it's long and I guess I'll be gone a while. Thank you for not all jumping down my throat. I don't mind being corrected when I'm wrong but dogpiling turns everyone off I think, right or wrong.
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NikkolasKing posted:That was something I was doing till about June, yes. Then I figured everybody wouldn't shut up about this election for a reason and looked up what I could with Google-Fu. Sorry for being a little acerbic. Politics gets me really riled up. Edit: I would like you to explain your comments about Assange destroying Clinton's campaign and how that jives with your care for your friends' well being.
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NikkolasKing posted:I'm gonna go watch The Choice now like was recommended to me. It looks interesting but it's long and I guess I'll be gone a while. Thank you for not all jumping down my throat. I don't mind being corrected when I'm wrong but dogpiling turns everyone off I think, right or wrong. Maybe we should follow in the footsteps of your political hero and sic literal dogs on you next time.
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