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Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!
Maybe the problem is that the dicks aren't real enough. Maybe we're in the uncanny valley of cock. The sooner NVidia implement hardware shlong shading the better.

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boy are my arms tired
May 10, 2012

Ham Wrangler

Relin posted:

there's some legitimate concerns to be had in the portrayal of characters but it's interesting that you dont see these kinds of complaints in the horror MOVIE community

uh

there was a recent movie called dont breathe in which a girl is about to get raped by a man who filled a turkey baster with his semen while saying hes not a rapist and that divided horror movie fans pretty well, to the point where various thinkpieces were written, and thats just the most recent example

i'm like 60% sure you were being sarcastic tho

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better


Not all that much, unless the torture porn is the whole point a la Saw. It's perfectly normal for incredible amounts of gore to pop out of modern horror movies

joylessdivision
Jun 15, 2013



DreamShipWrecked posted:

Not all that much, unless the torture porn is the whole point a la Saw. It's perfectly normal for incredible amounts of gore to pop out of modern horror movies

Did you somehow miss the raging wars that broke out over The Babadook and The Witch this year? The horror community in general tends to be pretty opinionated.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

joylessdivision posted:

Did you somehow miss the raging wars that broke out over The Babadook and The Witch this year? The horror community in general tends to be pretty opinionated.

I must have, I haven't heard all that much about it. That kind of criticism was mainstream a few years ago but it seems like it largely died out. Maybe I am just not in the right circles.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.
Wait, what the hell were people complaining over with the Babadook?

Also, sadly:

Scott Cawthorn posted:

Hey guys, I wanted to let everyone know what I’ve decided. And just as a warning- a lot of you aren’t going to be happy about it, but please try to understand.

Ever since I started making games I always wanted to be a world builder. I never wanted to make gimmicky games or things that didn’t mean something. I wanted to create experiences that would really have an impact on people. I feel like I got to do that with the first few games, but somehow I feel like I let myself get too dark with this one. Things went sideways, and I look at this game now and am unsure how it will affect people.

At the same time though, people WANT a horror game, and I get that. I understand that. This is supposed to be horror, and not kid friendly. So then what am I supposed to do? Release something that offends me just to satisfy those who want to play it? Or take the time and effort to really craft something that everyone can enjoy? The answer is obvious to me.

The problem is that the franchise has grown too much. There is too much of a spotlight on this for me to really do what I want to do. Even the news sites jumped all over this and mocked me for delaying the game. It just makes things difficult, because I don’t feel like I can really do the right thing anymore.

But I think I have the solution. (this is the part most of you won’t like)
I’m going to release the “mature” version of the game by itself, in sections, not as a part of the timeline, not as a part of the lore, and not as a part of the story, but just because I promised that I would. I promised a game, and don’t want to be one of those developers who endlessly delays their game’s release. However, I would recommend that real fans of the games, and real followers of the lore, wait a few months until I’m able to really make something that everyone can enjoy, and something that can still be scary!
I’m going to release the game in chapters, however, not the whole game at once, since it puts strain on the servers over at GameJolt.

Sister Location: MA, Night 1 download link: http://gamejolt.com/games/sister-location-ma/195478

Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Oct 6, 2016

Bogart
Apr 12, 2010

by VideoGames
Cawthorn seems like a smart guy. I think he knows exactly what he's doing.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
Considering how fast and hard he rode that initial hype/money train he knows when he has a good thing going.

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
Dude released like every sequel months before his initial announcement date, I'm fine with giving him some leniency

Too Shy Guy
Jun 14, 2003


I have destroyed more of your kind than I can count.



I can't imagine anyone being angry about this. He's releasing the teased version everyone was asking for for free while he goes back and makes the version he actually wants to release.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
Reading it again that post comes off as half "I don't think I want to keep making these" and half "This is gonna be SO SCARY that you'll have to sign a waiver! Women, children and those with heart conditions SHOULD NOT PLAY THIS GAME"

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??
Man he wasn't kidding about news sites being lovely about it.

http://kotaku.com/five-nights-at-freddys-creator-gives-worst-reason-for-p-1787410638 posted:

I don’t even know how to parse this. Is he serious, or is this a troll? Cawthon might delay a horror game, which was set to release in the spookiest month of the year, because it might be dark? Give me a break. Cynically, Cawthon’s announcement comes off more as a ‘hey guys, remember Five Nights at Freddy’s? I swear, it’s still scary!’ At the very least, it’s not like FNAF is known for releasing on specific dates; Cawthon has made a habit of releasing stuff early.

Cawthon’s post almost reads like a publicity stunt, which I’m signal boosting mostly to remark on how weird it is that we may have reached the end of the Five Nights at Freddy’s hype train. This isn’t how older games would have marketed themselves, they didn’t need it.

Yeah he sure released a free version of his game as a publicity stunt and a cash grab :rolleyes: It couldn't be that he's not satisfied with the final product due to trying to please his fans and maintain his vision of the series at the same time, like he specifically said

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
stay classy, kotaku. shoulda gone down with gawker like the rats you are

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum
Look, artistic vision only matters if it involves anime and creepy sexual fetishes. But when a creator has the nerve to reschedule the release of a horror game with an unhealthy fan base obsessing about its lore at every moment of the day? You don't loving rock the release boat, jack!

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

Well Scott clearly has no respect for release dates since he never hit one before, so scooooorn.

I mean, he was early, but it wasn't on the date god drat it

Also

Crabtree posted:

Look, artistic vision only matters if it involves anime and creepy sexual fetishes.

DLC Inc
Jun 1, 2011

the handwringing over the lore of this game about killer stuffed animals. jesus christ just release whatever the gently caress you want dude. this reads like he's a slave now to the goose that lays his golden eggs and is scared shitless to make any changes to it lest he strangle it by accident. that being said I have to wonder why he even made a more "mature version" in the first place if it goes against his mission statement

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

The Vosgian Beast posted:

While we're on the subject of games about asylums: Fran Bow is totally the spiritual successor to Sanitarium, and I need someone to tell me I'm not just seeing things here

I was hoping I could distract slightly from the upcoming kerfuffle but I was wrong :(

Scratch-O
Apr 27, 2009

My goodness!

MinibarMatchman posted:

this reads like he's a slave now to the goose that lays his golden eggs and is scared shitless to make any changes to it lest he strangle it by accident.

Wouldn't you be?

E: Because if I made a game and it exploded FNAF-style, I would, within certain limits, abso-loving-lutely sell out my artistic vision and milk it for all it's worth.

Scratch-O fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Oct 6, 2016

DLC Inc
Jun 1, 2011

Scratch-O posted:

Wouldn't you be?

honestly he's at the point where his programming and graphics have improved to a point where he could probably make an entirely different horror game and his playerbase would buy it, would be easier to do than this weird-rear end canon-split theorycraft poo poo he's in a quandary about. at the end of the day this other version is free so can't complain, might be the best way to experiment with new poo poo.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

MinibarMatchman posted:

honestly he's at the point where his programming and graphics have improved to a point where he could probably make an entirely different horror game and his playerbase would buy it, would be easier to do than this weird-rear end canon-split theorycraft poo poo he's in a quandary about. at the end of the day this other version is free so can't complain, might be the best way to experiment with new poo poo.

This is exactly the kind of thing his playerbase wants, though. The sheer amount of theorycrafting that goes into these jumpscare games in terms of the lore is unreal, and the fact that he is deliberately obtuse about plot details makes it even worse. If he started going off canon they would riot.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum
The problem is that the soft reboot is going to happen, he has already written a book none of them have read that rejiggers the timeline and setting for a film in a way the games never did because most of them were very minimalist and vague about details outside of killings happened, robots move around and bad things are going down. The book's gone all the way to name the purple guy and set him as the business end of the Fazbear company and set the identity of dead kid one as his partner's son. The only thing the rest of the fanbase will riot over is their own made up canon being disproved or written over, but hey, they're ranting about him releasing a free version while he slaves away over a possibly more traditional iteration of game 5. They'll bang their heads against the keyboard over anything at this point.

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

boy are my arms tired posted:

There was a recent movie called dont breathe in which a girl is about to get raped by a man who filled a turkey baster with his semen while saying hes not a rapist and that divided horror movie fans pretty well, to the point where various thinkpieces were written, and thats just the most recent example

Welp there goes any possible intention I had to watch that.

But while the full statement was being pretty rear end in a top hat-y, I can at least agree with that dumb kotaku snippet on "I don’t even know how to parse this." because what, in what world has he made something "Too dark" that's not gonna turn out to be something goofy like satanic ritual/worship/involvement or something. I'd almost bet it's gonna be that or it's gonna be something like "The original creeper/purple man whatever was a spoooooky pedophile" or kidnapper or something. Like no ill will to the guy for it, I don't care one iota about some overarching lore deal or anything, it just comes out sounding ramble-y and weird is all.

Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Oct 6, 2016

Blattdorf
Aug 10, 2012

"This will be the best for both of us, Bradley."
"Meow."
Scott was trolling, the game's on track to be released tomorrow.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
I hope so. I want Scott to prove that Christians have a sense of humor too.

Blattdorf
Aug 10, 2012

"This will be the best for both of us, Bradley."
"Meow."
The guy pulled a Trump because every news outlet brought attention to the game's imminent (non)release and made everybody care about it.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

Tired Moritz posted:

I hope so. I want Scott to prove that Christians have a sense of humor too.

He hasn't proved he has one already?

Furthermore, it is my opinion that Sean Payton must be fired.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)

A.o.D. posted:

He hasn't proved he has one already?

Furthermore, it is my opinion that Sean Payton must be fired.

oh right, I forgot FNAF's salary gag.
Now I want to see if he can reach Taro Yoko's trolliness.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.

Blattdorf posted:

Scott was trolling, the game's on track to be released tomorrow.

Indeed so. The download on gamejolt is a little resource management survival game thing with a catchy tune I can't get out of my loving head.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

Say what you will about the guy, he is damned good at marketing.

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Hahaha, Scott's a loving genius.

oldpainless
Oct 30, 2009

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Played the Outlast 2 demo last night


Too spooky for me

Skyscraper
Oct 1, 2004

Hurry Up, We're Dreaming



joylessdivision posted:

the assholes of the "SJW" community
ha ha oh boy

also
I love that he took the time to make something like this.

joylessdivision
Jun 15, 2013



Skyscraper posted:

ha ha oh boy

also

I love that he took the time to make something like this.

I was using scare quotes to make a point. My point being that:

A. Assholes are everywhere and part of any all groups/clubs/social movements

B. "SJW" is a dumb loving insult for a loosely formed "Group" on the internet much like "Anonymous" however it fit the discussion that was being had so I used it.

Are you done cherry pickin quotes from my posts to get mad about instead of actually reading what I was saying?

Poulpe
Nov 11, 2006
Canadian Santa Extraordinaire

Skyscraper posted:

I love that he took the time to make something like this.

So... did anyone download/play it? I'm at work and dying of curiosity as to what it is
And even when I get home my PC just up and died so I can't even try it myself :(

e:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w7NZ4yPipw
Oh :geno:
It's a publicity stunt

Poulpe fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Oct 6, 2016

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

Kokoro Wish posted:

Indeed so. The download on gamejolt is a little resource management survival game thing with a catchy tune I can't get out of my loving head.

Oh my god :allears: My favourite part about this is that he even mentioned gaming sites jump onto his stuff really quick, and I think none of them have noticed yet

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Yeah, looks like the whole "Oh my God I need to ban my own game so nobody sees how depraved it is" thing was just to get attention.

RadicalR
Jan 20, 2008

"Businessmen are the symbol of a free society
---
the symbol of America."
I love Scott. He trolled everyone so hard.

Too Shy Guy
Jun 14, 2003


I have destroyed more of your kind than I can count.



Wow, didn't realize how epic that Outlast discussion got. I had to go way back in the thread to find my last post.



1. DISTRAINT
2. Shadowgate
3. Miasmata
4. SOMA
5. Haunt the House: Terrortown

6. Oxenfree



I needed a few minutes to compose myself after this one. I certainly didn't expect that going in, and I didn't even see it coming as the connections started to click and the relationships unfolded. It might not sound like I'm even talking about a game here, but that's because Oxenfree does something very few games manage to do. Through a combination of incredible voice acting and expert storytelling, Oxenfree connects you with the characters and makes their triumphs and failures yours.

That sounds pretty grandiose, I know, so let's start at the beginning. Oxenfree is a side-scrolling adventure game about five high-schoolers who come to a remote island for a beach party. Edwards Island was once a naval base, and now serves as both tourist attraction and potential paranormal catastrophe. Needless to say, something terrifying gets set into motion and its up to you to guide main character Alex through the horrible night. In terms of game mechanics, there isn't much. Every area of the island consists of linear paths and a small handful of interaction points. Alex comes equipped with a portable radio that you can tune at any time to the odd frequencies associated with the supernatural happenings of the island. The radio is used to solve several puzzles and trigger one type of collectible, but honestly I feel it could have been used more. Most of your time is going to be spent walking the island, scrambling up ledges, and searching for prompts to trigger.

What makes this so special, then, is the near-constant dialogue running over the events of the game. It is absolutely not hyperbole to say that Oxenfree features some of the best writing and voice acting in the whole of the industry. Alex and her friends are masterfully brought to life as the pithy, insecure teens they appear to be. They stammer out objections, stretch for witty retorts, and dismiss things they can't handle with resigned Whatevers. You control much of this, of course, being giving a choice of up to three responses to most lines of dialogue, along with the unspoken option of just saying nothing. Understand that I am VERY averse to overly clever or unnatural characters, and I found myself utterly captivated by these dumb kids.

That admiration extends to the story, which is a supernatural thriller of unexpected depth. The horror elements are strong thanks to some unique mechanics to the events, as well as some incredibly well-played appearances by the forces antagonizing the Scooby gang. However, the main thrust of the plot ends up being drama between the kids, and a focus on issues of loss and remembrance that resonate all the way through to the emotional conclusion. SOMA got to me on an intellectual level but Oxenfree nailed me right in the feels, wrapping up the story with a perfect mix of sweetness and surprise.

The only complaint I really have to lodge against Oxenfree is the pacing, but it is not insignificant. Most of the game keeps you rolling with snappy conversations and plot reveals, but near the end it breaks down a bit into a backtracking challenge. You can forego the expected collect-a-thon but then you'd miss out on some significant plot points (and one avenue through the ending), so you might find yourself wandering the same maps looking for hidden gewgaws. This is also the only game I've ever played where the loading screens bothered me, because they're always a shade too long and pop up at every scene transition.

Whatever complaints I can offer are easily overshadowed by the experience offered, though. I fell in love with these characters almost instantly and savored every moment of their snippy, dysfunctional lives. The art style helps make them pop, their stylized 3D models animating against the beautiful painted backdrops. More than that is the sound design, a combination of incredible effects and cues played against a rich modern synth soundtrack. The music choice is a little unusual for a thriller but it works with the focus on the kids and their issues, with horror riding shotgun. And that's what makes Oxenfree work, having all these elements supporting the central cast and the issues that make them human and relatable above all else.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

I believe Oxenfree also has at least one goon who did voice acting for it, judging from the credits.

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Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

chitoryu12 posted:

Yeah, looks like the whole "Oh my God I need to ban my own game so nobody sees how depraved it is" thing was just to get attention.

It's exactly like those stupid marketing stunts that horror movies used to do and I hate that

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