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kuroiXiru posted:what does that even mean What I mean is that if they lifted all the restrictions they put, then sure, people could play it at 60 fps and it'd wiggle back and forth between 60 and 30 and they'd complain about that instead. No matter what they do, they cannot win with how their game is poorly optimized (if that's the case), so what's the point of condemning them for making the safe and obvious choice?? CJacobs fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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Ted Bundy: Very efficient killer, snappy dresser, handsome guy Jesus Christ: Turned water into wine once???
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CJacobs posted:What I mean is that if they lifted all the restrictions they put, then sure, people could play it at 60 fps and it'd wiggle back and forth between 60 and 30 and they'd complain about that instead. No matter what they do, they cannot win with how their game is or isn't poorly optimized, so what's the point of condemning them for making the safe and obvious choice?? I don't understand this reasoning considering like all PC games are like that. Your PC sucks? It will oscillate between 20-40. Turn down the settings. Your PC is great? 60+ FPS (if optimized well.) The only time they get poo poo is if it's badly optimized and you have a beastmode computer and it runs at 30, but capping it at 30 doesn't really fix that but makes it glaringly obvious there isn't optimization to let it run 30+ on configs. Point being is they will get poo poo if they badly optimize it whether or not they lock the FPS, so they should just unlock it because that's what everyone else does. (if I was them I'd let it run unlocked and hope that theres enough bizarro configs out there that run it great and peeps can be like "Hey dudes my setup runs great")
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CJacobs posted:What I mean is that if they lifted all the restrictions they put, then sure, people could play it at 60 fps and it'd wiggle back and forth between 60 and 30 and they'd complain about that instead. No matter what they do, they cannot win with how their game is or isn't poorly optimized, so what's the point of condemning them for making the safe and obvious choice?? If the game was experiencing 30 fps fluctuations, it means they didn't optimize the game. Again, that falls on them, as developers. The hardware is there. Plenty of poo poo hot devs manage to make their games run at 144 fps no problem out of the gate on PC. Plenty of indie devs manage to release their games with 60 fps support on release. What is it they have that this dev team lacks? Experience? Know-how? Manpower? Whatever it is, it's a failure on their part, not on PC gamers for "being elitist" or whatever. 60 fps is the minimum standard and has been for decades. Just because your standard is lower because your hardware is worse doesn't mean a completely different platform needs to abide by it.
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My point is, would you rather have a game that runs lovely but peaks at 60, or a game that runs perfectly fine at 30? There is no third option, those are your choices. It's lovely, yes, but it being a make or break thing in all cases for anybody is dumb and you should lower your standards to human levels.
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incorporeal posted:Did Ted Bundy kill in 60fps or was he locked at 30fps?
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LIKEINEEDTHIS posted:Is the game good? The consensus is that, on ps4, it's the story is good, but the parts bridging the story missions are less so, and too numerous. CJacobs posted:My point is, would you rather have a game that runs lovely but peaks at 60, or a game that runs perfectly fine at 30? There is no third option, those are your choices. It's lovely, yes, but it being a make or break thing in all cases for anybody is dumb and you should lower your standards to human levels. How is there no third option when Doom runs at 144 fps locked perfectly fine with like 5-6 fps dips? How is Gta V able to play on ultra at 1440p with maxes above 60, and minimums also about 60?
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LIKEINEEDTHIS posted:Is the game good? Depends. Who do you prefer, Jesus or Ted Bundy?
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LIKEINEEDTHIS posted:Is the game good?  Imagine the 30FPS line stamping on a human face forever, that's how good it is.
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The GIG posted:You still haven't explained how this is like noted murder man Ted Bundy and how Rockstar is like OLaS Jesus Christ I just did. Maybe you should re-read the post. If you played Mafia 2 and saw what 2k did to it last minute, Rockstar would never do something so anti-consumer ever. And the biggest thing? 2k shot themselves in the rear end, because if everything would have been left intact, they would have cleared tens of millions possible hundreds of millions more in revenue, rather than thinking the way to go was to slice up 4 crucial parts to the game and sell it again as DLC to maintain a revenue generation stream. Oh, and not lose Daniel Vavra in the process who made Mafia what it is to begin with. That's the main difference between Rockstar and 2k. So, in this case, Ted Bundy/2k - The cutter. Jesus Christ/Rockstar Games - creates whole fish for everyone instead of saying here is the tail end, donate to the church, I'll conjure the other 75% of it out of thin air. Utnayan fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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30 fps killed my family
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Kontradaz posted:
ok, but is the game good
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CJacobs posted:My point is, would you rather have a game that runs lovely but peaks at 60, or a game that runs perfectly fine at 30? There is no third option, those are your choices. It's lovely, yes, but it being a make or break thing in all cases for anybody is dumb and you should lower your standards to human levels. That's the thing. There is a 3rd option. If they gave a flying gently caress. Because other companies don't have this issue. 2k is cheap as gently caress. So you all of a sudden think we have no other options because of that?
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Utnayan posted:That's the thing. There is a 3rd option. If they gave a flying gently caress. Because other companies don't have this issue. 2k is cheap as gently caress. So you all of a sudden think we have no other options because of that? That's what I don't get. PC games run as well as your hardware supports, and some games, like Phantom Pain, run well in spite of your hardware. Where is this false dichotomy of poo poo, and even more poo poo, coming from? PC's and consoles are worlds apart when it comes to performance...unless a dev purposely hamstrings the PC port, or does so because they're incompetent.
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Xeremides posted:60 fps is the minimum standard and has been for decades. So, Quake, Duke Nukem 3D, Diablo and Tomb Raider (all '96 PC releases) were, at the time, held to a 60fps standard? ("Decade" is 10 years, so "decades" is a minimum 20 years back.)
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Zamboni Apocalypse posted:So, Quake, Duke Nukem 3D, Diablo and Tomb Raider (all '96 PC releases) were, at the time, held to a 60fps standard? I have never before seen people fight so hard for regression in technology and development. It is true, Idiocracy has arrived.
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Xeremides posted:That's what I don't get. PC games run as well as your hardware supports, and some games, like Phantom Pain, run well in spite of your hardware. Where is this false dichotomy of poo poo, and even more poo poo, coming from? PC's and consoles are worlds apart when it comes to performance...unless a dev purposely hamstrings the PC port, or does so because they're incompetent. Well, usually it has to do with matching animations to the frames and game timing issues. In this case, it's a straight up horrible console port where 2k doesn't give a poo poo. Which is why Cjacob's post of "Expectations are too high" are bullshit. Because there are a quite a few developers/publisher combo's who do it right and leverage the right resources. 2k is not one of those companies unfortunately. What he doesn't understand is it isn't outside of expectations. It IS an expectation in 2016.
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Utnayan posted:they would have cleared tens of millions possible hundreds of millions more in revenue
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Christ above.
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From the dev's reaction, it sounds like the fps lock was unintended so I don't see the point in arguing about how it's leading to the downfall of gaming as a whole
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Utnayan posted:I just did. Maybe you should re-read the post. If you played Mafia 2 and saw what 2k did to it last minute, Rockstar would never do something so anti-consumer ever. And the biggest thing? 2k shot themselves in the rear end, because if everything would have been left intact, they would have cleared tens of millions possible hundreds of millions more in revenue, rather than thinking the way to go was to slice up 4 crucial parts to the game and sell it again as DLC to maintain a revenue generation stream. Oh, and not lose Daniel Vavra in the process who made Mafia what it is to begin with. Where in this comparison do consumers get murdered and sexually assaulted and where does Rockstar consumers split into the Catholic church and the Protestant church.
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tap my mountain posted:From the dev's reaction, it sounds like the fps lock was unintended so I don't see the point in arguing about how it's leading to the downfall of gaming as a whoke PR evasion while they figure out how to fix the shitstorm.
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the father, the son, the holy fps
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The GIG posted:Where in this comparison do consumers get murdered and sexually assaulted and where does Rockstar consumers split into the Catholic church and the Protestant church. Rockstar San Diego = Protestants i prefer RDR to GTA and i'll bomb anyone who says different
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Holy poo poo guys. Holy poo poo. 30 fps sucks, yes, but let's try to maybe discuss whether or not the rest of the game is any good. I absolutely refuse to believe that a lower fps ticrate causes the entire game to suck to such an extent that nothing else matters. Are the missions fun? Is the game long? Is the story good? How is the combat? Anything?
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wyoak posted:that's quite optimistic Reviews would have been absolutely glorious and the community would have fallen in love with the entire game. Open world, with activities, (Meaning no empty world - one of the biggest complaints of the game), no jarring story hitches when Vito went to prison and was automatically out (Joe's adventures had a side effect where it made the player seem like Vito was in prison for 5 years. It was goofy and cool how it was done before that poo poo was cut) and more story cohesion. The biggest gripes of Mafia 2 were caused by 2k's cutting of content to repackage. The game would have received 10's around the world and people would still be buying it today in preparation for this game. And to note, Daniel Vavra would still be a lead writer. Which is the biggest loss of them all. It isn't that often you see a lead writer for a major AAA title come out in support of a petition against 2k games for destroying the cohesiveness of a story by gutting 40% of the content to sell at $29. And then quit the industry in disgust for 3 years. That takes 2k to a whole new special place of retard. Utnayan fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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Utnayan posted:The game would have received 10's around the world and people would still be buying it today in preparation for this game
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Pathos posted:Holy poo poo guys. Holy poo poo. 30 fps sucks, yes, but let's try to maybe discuss whether or not the rest of the game is any good. I absolutely refuse to believe that a lower fps ticrate causes the entire game to suck to such an extent that nothing else matters. I'll probably wait a few days for the PC patch to hit and a stronger consensus is made, but I'm probably going to buy it. Accordion Man fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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Zamboni Apocalypse posted:So, Quake, Duke Nukem 3D, Diablo and Tomb Raider (all '96 PC releases) were, at the time, held to a 60fps standard? Duke Nukem 3D supported 60 fps, Diablo is an ARPG so, much like strategy games, don't necessarily need 60 fps, and Tomb Raider didn't. You'll notice that in 1996, Tomb Raider was actually pushing hardware, so it's understandable that they didn't aim for what only a supercomputer could achieve at the time. Much like why Bloodborne and Dark Souls 4 are 30 fps titles on the PS4. That isn't the case today for PC. Skip forward a few years, and you start seeing support skyrocket. Because, you know, tech got better.
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Who are the apostles if Rockstar is Jesus? Who is Judas? it can't be 2K because they're already Ted Bundy.
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Xeremides posted:The consensus is that, on ps4, it's the story is good, but the parts bridging the story missions are less so, and too numerous. A game engine internally developed at 2k is not the same as DOOM. It's likely they hit a time crunch and, like CJacobs said, had to choose between shipping something that dropped frames excessively, or ran stable at 30fps locked in. The dev's have ack'd the public response to this and said a fix is on the way. There is nothing to complain about jesus christ.
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Nuts and Gum posted:A game engine internally developed at 2k is not the same as DOOM. It's likely they hit a time crunch and, like CJacobs said, had to choose between shipping something that dropped frames excessively, or ran stable at 30fps locked in. The dev's have ack'd the public response to this and said a fix is on the way. There is nothing to complain about jesus christ. Lol. Anyways, I can't really remember the last time I played a game under 60FPS. PC privilege I guess 
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Kontradaz posted:This isn't the console market though... people have different setups that range from not being able to run the game to being to run it 60+. Why lock out a good portion of consumers? Like literally every other game on the PC doesn't have this lock and leaves it up to you to set the settings or upgrade your computer to the power you prefer. Ahh the slippery slope argument awesome.
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Nuts and Gum posted:A game engine internally developed at 2k is not the same as DOOM. It's likely they hit a time crunch and, like CJacobs said, had to choose between shipping something that dropped frames excessively, or ran stable at 30fps locked in. The dev's have ack'd the public response to this and said a fix is on the way. There is nothing to complain about jesus christ. So, again, it comes back to the devs being at fault, which is what I've repeatedly said, and they released the game simultaneously with the console versions with a 30 fps lock being a stalling tactic until they could finish their game, which I've said at least once. What are you arguing about here?
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wjs5 posted:Ahh the slippery slope argument awesome. It would be funny if it wasn't true: see the influx of microtransactions and DLC's the past few years. Not hard to prove. Oh and preorders. Oh and early access. Why is it hard to extend that to: "hey gamers don't really care about FPS, so why spend resources to have 60+"?
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Kontradaz posted:It would be funny if it wasn't true: see the influx of microtransactions and DLC's the past few years. Not hard to prove. Remember that time PC gamers made a big huff about Mankind Divided's stupid preorder campaign, and then they cancelled it? Man, gently caress PC gamers.
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