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Newfie: Oct 8, 2013; 10 years of oil boom and 20 billion dollars cash, all I got was a case of beer, a pack of smokes, and 14% unemployment.
Thanks, Danny.

RBC posted:

The case is peculiar because the defense showed all their evidence to the prosecution before the trial and he used the information to act as a judge and throw out the case - based on the defenses evidence.

Shouldn't that have been left up to an actual judge in a courtroom?

I didn't see an answer to this, so I'll just drop it in because no, the crown has prosecutorial discretion to bring charges. If the crown finds on the evidence that there is no reasonable prospect of a conviction, the crown can drop the case. The defense would have really solid evidence for this to work because the bar to bring charges is really really low.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 05:39

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 14:24

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Nocturtle posted:

The Liberal party establishment pushed Trudeau as leader in lieu of reforms following their crushing loss in 2011. It was a cynical move that assumed enough Canadians would be won over by an attractive young leader instead of the party revising their platform or dealing with corruption. The results prove a low opinion of Canadian voters is a good working assumption.

and you all loving fell for it

stop voting you loving morons

# ? Oct 7, 2016 06:04

Brannock: Feb 9, 2006; by exmarx; Fallen Rib

namaste faggots posted:

and you all loving fell for it

stop voting you loving morons

Would you prefer another five years of Stephen Harper? The people that are likely to listen to you and stop voting are the people least likely to vote for Harper.

What do you hope to accomplish from abstaining from voting / encouraging others from abstaining?

# ? Oct 7, 2016 06:17

Business Octopus: Jun 27, 2005; Me IRL

St. Dogbert posted:

Just goes to show you the mentality of the Tories' true believers. You check out their usual haunts (comments sections, Facebook, Twitter, anything in the Sun), and they're banging on about how Trudeau had undone each and every thing Harper's government did in less than a year, how he's an evil Godless socialist, how we need to force an election or bring back Western separation before we're standing in bread lines and being sent to the gulag, and on and on. Then, you look at the actual facts, which bear out that Trudeau's government has barely changed a thing from the way Harper did things.

We on the left are biased, but at least we're capable of letting the actual events and results dictate our opinions of politicians and parties. Hardline Conservative supporters, on the other hand, are essentially homer sports fans, where the Blue Team is always right and everyone else might as well be Satan.

Stephen Harper was also a mostly ineffectual placeholder pm yet many here thought that he was leading Canada down the road to fascism. Chrétien and Martin did more to shift the country to the right than harper ever did.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 06:21

The Butcher: Apr 20, 2005; Well, at least we tried.; Nap Ghost

Business Octopus posted:

Stephen Harper was also a mostly ineffectual placeholder pm yet many here thought that he was leading Canada down the road to fascism. Chrétien and Martin did more to shift the country to the right than harper ever did.

To be fair his blatant spite was very uncanadian.

The cold dead eyes didn't help either.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 06:42

RealityWarCriminal: Aug 10, 2016

The Butcher posted:

More beard, for one thing.

Sophie Gregoire is beard enough.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 10:05

velvet milkman: Feb 13, 2012; by R. Guyovich

I'm glad I voted for the pretty weed man. Sorry for your self loathing and crippling cynicism :shrug:

# ? Oct 7, 2016 14:31

Guy DeBorgore: Apr 6, 1994; Catnip is the opiate of the masses; Soiled Meat

Jesus this thread

# ? Oct 7, 2016 14:32

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

If I'm going to get hosed, I'd rather get hosed by someone pretty.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 14:36

A Typical Goon: Feb 25, 2011

namaste faggots posted:

and you all loving fell for it

stop voting you loving morons

I voted for the Aboriginal guy with a sick mullet that was running as an independent in my riding. It was the correct choice :colbert:

# ? Oct 7, 2016 14:42

Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

a fleshy snood posted:

I'm glad I voted for the pretty weed man. Sorry for your self loathing and crippling cynicism

Yeah it's a good thing you voted for him otherwise weed would still be illegal and we wouldn't have electoral reform.

Meanwhile, check out this great microfinance scheme: a rich shithead offers predatory loans at the maximum legal interest rate of 60% mostly to Filipina maids, charges them obscene late fees if they don't pay on time (bringing the effective interest rate to 200% in some cases), then sues them in small claims court if they don't pay back.

Maybe the NDP should have talked more about destroying the predatory payday loan industry and offering an ethical alternative instead of loving ATM fees that only morons still pay.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 14:47

MA-Horus: Dec 3, 2006; I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

To be fair I would have voted for the Libs if Marc Garneau had been selected PM.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 14:52

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

MA-Horus posted:

To be fair I would have voted for the Libs if Marc Garneau had been selected PM.

Screw Garneau, I'm waiting for PM Hadfield :swoon:

# ? Oct 7, 2016 15:05

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Business Octopus posted:

Stephen Harper was also a mostly ineffectual placeholder pm

I was about to reply to this with a list of some of the awful things he's done but then I remembered that PMJT has the power to undo many of those things and has not used it, so uh.... HEYGUYSLOOKOVERTHERE

# ? Oct 7, 2016 15:09

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Jordan7hm posted:

Trudeau coming in was supposed to be the start of a multi-election rebuild for the Liberals.

And who better to orchestrate an extensive rebuild than an MP with almost 5 years experience (when he won leadership) with a wealth of life experience like how to shred sick gnar and top notch dropping out of engineering and geography. While researching this shitpost, look at this hilariously wrong thing Garneau said.

quote:

�I believe that Canadians want to see substance. They don�t want empty words,� Garneau said. �They may not like what I have to say, but at least they will know where I stand.�

Trudeau said he has voiced his views on a variety of issues, citing his opposition to the Northern Gateway oil pipeline and support for the legalization of marijuana as examples.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 15:19

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Haha erez Harosh

Have you guys ever gotten in an argument with an Israeli? I'd rather do the needful in purgatory for a warehouse full of call center Indians

# ? Oct 7, 2016 15:25

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

We've been on a downward slide since Chretien in that respect with regard to educated individuals with life experience becoming prime minister. Harper had essentially the same experience as Trudeau jr.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 15:26

MonsieurChoc: Oct 12, 2013; Every species can smell its own extinction.

So while our provincial politicians keep saying there has been no austerity and services remain unchangee, the quebec AG just came out and said services like healthcare are heavily affected and everything is going to poo poo. gently caress the Qu�bec liberals with a rusty spoon.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 15:29

Jordan7hm: Feb 17, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

Postess with the Mostest posted:

And who better to orchestrate an extensive rebuild than an MP with almost 5 years experience (when he won leadership) with a wealth of life experience like how to shred sick gnar and top notch dropping out of engineering and geography.

That would be why he was viewed as a long term plan, yes.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 15:33

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/minimum-wage-economic-success-1.3792225

quote:

Getting by on minimum wage in Canada's biggest cities: Don Pittis
Low-wage job offers abound but a rethink of capitalism says high wages are better for business
By Don Pittis, CBC News Posted: Oct 07, 2016 5:00 AM ET Last Updated: Oct 07, 2016 5:00 AM ET

Keyur Morthana is no lazy millennial. The 25-year-old lives and works in one of Canada's most expensive cities and earns minimum wage, which in Ontario recently rose to $11.40 an hour.

While many businesses complain that moves to raise wages for Canada's poorest paid will mean higher prices and fewer jobs, a new report by business leaders proposing a better kind of capitalism says low wages are an expense Canada cannot afford.

On a busy shopping street, beside a giant poster advertising submarine sandwiches at $4 each is a smaller one that says "Now Hiring." But the pay is well below the rich city's median income of about $78,000 a year.

Seven days a week

On the day I talk to Morthana the Toronto Real Estate board has just announced that the price of a detached house went up 23 per cent in the city to an average of $1.29 million. The average price of houses of all kinds is now $756,000.

"I can get by because I work seven days a week," says Morthana, who shares an apartment with friends in a distant suburb and commutes to work. "Sometimes it's hard."

A few doors down the street, a sign in the window of one of a number of waxing and nail salons offers a "dream career."

According to the manager, The Ten Spot, part of a Toronto-based Canadian chain, is a cut above the average nail shop. The pay is $12.50 for counter clerks, rising to $13.50 with experience.

Bad for the bottom line

In Canada, setting the minimum wage is the responsibility of the provinces, so the rate varies, from a high of $13 in Nunavut to a low of $10.50 in Newfoundland and Labrador.

But higher or lower, minimum-wage earners remain far below levels considered a Canadian living wage, and nowhere are the extremes of wealth versus cost of living worse than in Canada's expensive cities.

And according to a new analysis by a group of sophisticated business leaders, that's bad for the bottom line.

Dezso Horvath, dean of York University's Schulich School of Business, says their research shows that the world's most dynamic countries are ones, especially those in northern Europe, that have adopted a "stakeholder" approach to capitalism.

"The countries using this form of capitalism are becoming more globally competitive," says Horvath, who edited the book with Dominic Barton, global managing partner of consulting firm McKinsey & Company.

With articles contributed by well-known business leaders, the book is intended to acknowledge and address what the authors call "a growing public distrust of capitalism and its ability to improve wealth and well-being for the many."

Shareholder model eclipsed

"Whichever direction capitalism ends up taking, it is increasingly apparent that the narrow shareholder model is being gradually eclipsed by a model that is more closely attuned to the complexity and diversity of the world we live in � a model that is more stakeholder-oriented and more guided by principles of long-term value creation and sustainability," says the book in a concluding chapter written by Horvath and Barton.

Horvath says one of the key ingredients of the system is a smaller gap between the rich and the poor.

He says inequality has been largely responsible for the anger that caused the Brexit vote in the U.K. and the rise of Donald Trump in the United States.

"If you look at the U.S. and Britain, they are the [rich world] countries with the largest educational and income inequalities," says Horvath. "Whereas Sweden, Switzerland and all those, there are no really poor people but neither are there billionaires of really large scale."

Horvath says there are signs that's paying off. Economic growth in Sweden is at an astounding 3.5 per cent, higher than any other country but China, he says.

More equal countries are also winners in innovation.

Minus the military

"Yes, the U.S. is very innovative, but if you take away all the money that is going to military research, the U.S. is actually not as good," says Horvath.

He says not only is a stakeholder-driven economy more competitive, it also generates a much higher level of quality of life � something quite different from working seven days a week at minimum wage.

"Canada, at the moment, is somewhere in between the United States and the well-developed European nations," says Horvath. "Minimum wage is much higher [in those European countries] and everybody is reasonably well paid, but as I said, the difference between minimum wage and the highest wage is much more limited."

As usual with great theoretical analysis, the hard part is making the transition. We can't snap our fingers and turn Canada into Switzerland or Sweden. But what the new book's analysis shows is that keeping minimum wages low and letting the rich get very rich is not a necessity for business success. In fact, says Horvath, quite the opposite.

"A large middle class is the engine of economic development."

Just work seven days a week and minimum wage is possible to get by on. :allears:

I wonder what Albertans are saying?

http://globalnews.ca/news/2985417/restaurants-say-they-will-cut-hours-staff-due-to-hike-in-alberta-minimum-wage/

quote:

October 5, 2016 1:06 pm Updated: October 5, 2016 1:15 pm
Restaurants say they will cut hours, staff due to hike in Alberta minimum wage

By Staff The Canadian Press

EDMONTON � Restaurant owners and operators in Alberta say they will have to cut hours or lay people off to cope with a higher minimum wage.

Mark von Schellwitz, vice-president of the Western Canada region of Restaurants Canada, says 78 per cent of operators have said they will cut hours, while nearly half will go through a round of layoffs.

Alberta�s minimum wage went up Saturday by one dollar to $12.20 an hour, and $1.50 for liquor servers, with the elimination of the liquor server wage.

Von Schellwitz says Alberta members recently participated in a workshop in Calgary to find ways to reduce labour costs.

They looked at balancing what they pay between higher-paid front-of-house service staff and back-of-house kitchen staff who don�t earn gratuities through new service charge or self-service options.

He says 35 cents of every dollar by a restaurant earned goes to labour costs.

Currently, the only regions with a higher minimum wage than Alberta in Canada are Nunavut ($13 an hour) and Northwest Territories ($12.50 an hour).

Alberta�s minimum wage is expected to go up to $13.60 an hour next year and reach $15 an hour by Oct. 1, 2018.

Opposition parties have slammed the Alberta NDP for moving ahead with its minimum-wage increases, saying the wage hikes are too much too fast and threaten to further hurt businesses still reeling from the slump in oil prices. But in an interview with The Canadian Press Tuesday, Premier Rachel Notley said she rejects the notion that a minimum-wage hike will hurt the provincial economy.

Notley said her government is trying to strike a balance between supporting businesses and tackling inequality.

My business cannot handle paying people a reasonable wage. This is affront to small businesses. I should be able to pay employees poo poo while docking their pay after tips and forcing them to wear clothes that require being of a certain stature and invite sexual harassment from a specific gender. :qq:

I wonder what the comments have to say?

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Minimum wage rates are an attempt to bring union type conditions to the workplace. As people who don't bring a minimum wage value to the workplace end up overpaid those who bring more value end up being paid less than they contribute. Any parent knows this from dealing with schools. Some teachers are worth their weight in gold but can't be paid due to union contracts. Other teachers shouldn't be teaching but get to stay and collect the same salary as the good teacher. Overall business may be okay as poor employees will be released and good employees will be paid more. Sadly unemployment will rise again. Well done Rachael (sarc)

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There is a lot of misunderstanding about what mimum wages are for. These for entry level workers who have NO SKILLS ... they learn and move on up. Those are usually students or new immigrants. These low pay jobs are good for them because the vast majority live with others or at home, it's pocket money for most. The idea is that minimum wage jobs are NOT career jobs nor should they be considered such. We have UPWARD MOBILITY IN OUR FREE CAPITALIST SOCIETY AND IT WORKS WELL UNTIL SOCIALISTS TRY TO IMPROVE ON IT BY KILLING ENTRY LEVEL JOBS.

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The idea of a minimum wage should be abolished in a market society. If you are worth $50 an hour then you get paid $50 an hour. If you are only worth $2 an hour then maybe you should look in the mirror and figure out what you are doing wrong.

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For some yes.. for others not so much. You can't paint all businesses with the same brush. The wealthiest person I know is a business owner and this will go unnoticed to him. My best friend closed his business last year after struggling for several before that.

And yes.. on employee isn't much of a cost. But what if you have 12 working 12 hours a day? That's over $1000 a week. Perhaps the owner was profiting $6000 a month.. now that's down to $2000.

I'm not for or against the increase... but you are out of touch with reality if you think all business owners are rich and can afford it. People lose their shirt on a regular basis when they risk the endeavour of business.

Small business owners who whine like this (which is a large share of the crowd) deserve to eat poo poo.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 15:39

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Jordan7hm posted:

That would be why he was viewed as a long term plan, yes.

Well I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think he got the leadership primarily because of his name, you think he got it because Liberal party members thought he was the most qualified candidate to lead the party through a long term rebuild.

Hexigrammus posted:

Yeah, I wasn't really taking the time to read or post for comprehension there, it's been a busy day. There's a major storm coming in so I had to get the last of the tomatoes off the field before things start rotting.

Of course, this is a bit like bitching to someone from Ontario about having to mow in early February. B.C. - The Best Place On Earth.*

Hah, I don't even remember tomato season. One thing Ontario has going for it over BC is the sugar maple leaf changing which is just about to peak, makes a great background for duck shootin'.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 15:42

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

gently caress anyone who whines about having to pay minimum wage. When I worked at Subway part-time in high school I was making $1.50 over minimum wage to start and the owner of the place didn't get his panties all twisted about it either (I even got a raise after a few months). If your employees aren't "worth" minimum wage, then you're either extremely bad at running a business overall, or you're specifically very bad at hiring and getting poo poo people as a result.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 15:52

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/joe-peschisolido-regrets-wearing-red-scarf-1.3794522

quote:

Richmond MP regrets wearing 'communist' scarf at flag raising event
Joe Peschisolido says he wasn't aware the scarf is viewed as symbol of communist repression
By Farrah Merali, CBC News Posted: Oct 06, 2016 1:46 PM PT Last Updated: Oct 06, 2016 9:22 PM PT

Joe Peschisolido, MP for Steveston-Richmond East, says he regrets wearing a red scarf � which critics say is a recognized symbol of the communist struggle � at a Chinese flag-raising ceremony in Vancouver on Friday.

The event was a celebration of the 67th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China.

Peschisolido attended the ceremony alongside Vancouver Coun. Kerry Jang.

Both have since come under fire from opponents of the communist government for both their participation in the event and the wearing of the red scarves.

Speaking to the CBC today, Peschisolido said the scarf was given to him by an organizer of the event.

He said he was told it was a symbol of 5,000 years of Chinese culture and civilization.

"In hindsight and on reflection, I should not have done that, and I regret doing that � but that's how it occurred," said Peschisolido.

"I now know that, for many people, it's a very painful signal or symbol based on what occurred � the tragic events that happened during the cultural revolution."

Backlash growing against ceremony

Peschisolido said while he regrets wearing the scarf, he doesn't regret attending the event.

The MP acknowledged there are concerns regarding free speech and human rights in China but said it's important to engage the country to try to elicit change.

"I understand the criticism ... there are folks who feel genuine pain; however, if you want to change things, you can't close your eyes to the situation � you have to deal with it," said Peschisolido.

"If you want to change the inner workings of any country, you need to engage � and that's what we're doing right now."

Meanwhile, outrage is growing among members of Vancouver's Chinese-Canadian community who don't support the communist government.

The Alliance of the Guard of Canadian Values is demanding an explanation for why the event was held on the steps of Vancouver City Hall.

The group held a rally today at city hall calling for Jang to apologize and resign.

"We don't think you represent the city of Vancouver or the values that we believe in," said Meena Wong, a former Vancouver mayoral candidate, at the rally.

"When I saw the flag and then the red scarf, it was a trigger for me ... it brought back a lot of painful memories," said Wong, who was born in China and grew up during the cultural revolution.

"My family being raided by the red guards, I was beaten in school by youth wearing the red scarves. So you can imagine what it was like."

CBC News contacted Kerry Jang to comment, but did not hear back.

Yeah. Raising the flag of the People's Republic of China is not going to stir up problems at all. Don't worry about wearing that red-coloured scarf while you're at it--it just matches your party colours, not ours!

# ? Oct 7, 2016 15:53

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

PT6A posted:

gently caress anyone who whines about having to pay minimum wage. When I worked at Subway part-time in high school I was making $1.50 over minimum wage to start and the owner of the place didn't get his panties all twisted about it either (I even got a raise after a few months). If your employees aren't "worth" minimum wage, then you're either extremely bad at running a business overall, or you're specifically very bad at hiring and getting poo poo people as a result.

Even "poo poo people" deserve a living wage.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 15:55

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Subjunctive posted:

Even "poo poo people" deserve a living wage.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 15:58

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Subjunctive posted:

Even "poo poo people" deserve a living wage.

So what, business owners should employ people that cost them money out of the goodness of their heart?

100% employment is not a reasonable goal, and that's why we should have a guaranteed minimum income that allows people to live even if they can't work for whatever reason. That way, the burden of supporting the unemployable (whether that's because of disability, or just because they aren't worth more than the minimum wage) is shared across society, instead of being visited on one single, unlucky business (and their co-workers, who are probably fed up with their nonsense anyway).

# ? Oct 7, 2016 16:00

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

Subjunctive posted:

Even "poo poo people" deserve a living wage.

Even when it comes to tipping, I still tip a minimum of 15% even if the service is poo poo. It's bad enough that the service was poor, but why should I be a dickhead and make this person suffer with lovely wages because I am a cheap-rear end?

Also do not engage PT6A.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 16:00

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Moving on to more pressing :canada:

journalism

quote:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/pig-crash-1.3794533?cmp=rss

Pigs that survived Burlington truck crash were still slaughtered

138 pigs were 'saved,' Pork Ontario says � only to be walked to their deaths []

"Please have some mercy, let the pigs go," pleaded one woman.

"What if this was your dog?" said another. Dead and injured pigs could be seen being carted from the scene of the crash in the bucket of a Bobcat tractor, draped in a tarp.

Super

# ? Oct 7, 2016 16:06

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Animals destined for slaughter slaughtered. At least nobody gave them water this time.

OSI bean dip posted:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/joe-peschisolido-regrets-wearing-red-scarf-1.3794522

Yeah. Raising the flag of the People's Republic of China is not going to stir up problems at all. Don't worry about wearing that red-coloured scarf while you're at it--it just matches your party colours, not ours!

Sure, I'll bite: How is this different from flying the flag of another friendly country when their dignitaries visit? I've seen a bunch of other countries' flags flying at Ottawa City Hall and along the Canal.

Accepting the scarf from an organizer and wearing it without checking it with a protocol person first was pretty careless though.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 16:07

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

flakeloaf posted:

Animals destined for slaughter slaughtered. At least nobody gave them water this time.

Uhhh that crazy lady was also there

quote:

One woman, Anita Krajnc, was arrested at the scene and charged with obstructing police and a breach of recognizance � stemming from a previous charge she's facing for giving water to pigs on a truck heading into the very same plant.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 16:10

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

OSI bean dip posted:

Also do not engage PT6A.

Care to explain why employers should individually support workers who are a net loss for them, instead of allowing all taxpayers to shoulder the burden equally? It would seem like a much fairer system, and further, it empowers workers being the coercion of "you must do this job or you will starve and/or be homeless" goes away. I think you're either ignoring the substance of what I'm saying, or are arguing with me just because it's me.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 16:11

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

OSI bean dip posted:

Even when it comes to tipping, I still tip a minimum of 15% even if the service is poo poo. It's bad enough that the service was poor, but why should I be a dickhead and make this person suffer with lovely wages because I am a cheap-rear end?

If that logic is true and your main goal is to minimize suffering, your strategy should be overtipping poor service and undertipping good service to balance out the tips they'll be getting from other people.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 16:19

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

Postess with the Mostest posted:

If that logic is true and your main goal is to minimize suffering, your strategy should be overtipping poor service and undertipping good service to balance out the tips they'll be getting from other people.

The minimum is based on corporate policy I follow when I am dining on company money. It is more like 17-20% when it is me paying for things.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 16:24

McGavin: Sep 18, 2012

St. Dogbert posted:

Hardline Conservative supporters, on the other hand, are essentially homer sports fans, where the Blue Team is always right and everyone else might as well be Satan.

So they're Leafs fans? :confused:

# ? Oct 7, 2016 16:36

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

OSI bean dip posted:

The minimum is based on corporate policy I follow when I am dining on company money. It is more like 17-20% when it is me paying for things.

I'm just a little surprised you're so adamant about participating in a cultural practice that exists so that restaurant owners can run their operation with less overhead and transfer risk to the servers.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 16:37

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

Postess with the Mostest posted:

I'm just a little surprised you're so adamant about participating in a cultural practice that exists so that restaurant owners can run their operation with less overhead and transfer risk to the servers.

Well considering that half of this thread is fellating the Liberals you tell me how this practice is going to change. I'm not going to go and not tip as a protest against a lack of minimum income.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 16:40

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Postess with the Mostest posted:

I'm just a little surprised you're so adamant about participating in a cultural practice that exists so that restaurant owners can run their operation with less overhead and transfer risk to the servers.

But enough about voting for the Liberals.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 16:40

velvet milkman: Feb 13, 2012; by R. Guyovich

OSI bean dip posted:

Well considering that half of this thread is fellating the Liberals you tell me how this practice is going to change. I'm not going to go and not tip as a protest against a lack of minimum income.

what thread are you reading?

# ? Oct 7, 2016 16:44

cowofwar: Jul 30, 2002; by Athanatos

cowofwar posted:

The LPC is very different from the CPC in the way they frame issues and manage issues, but looking at the end legislation I don't think they differ at all. The LPC is for sure walking back some legislation that touches on social issues but the CPC did all the deregulation dirty work for them which will remain on the books.

At the end of the day lobbyists and industry group lawyers write the bills that get tabled by both parties.

# ? Oct 7, 2016 16:44

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 14:24

cowofwar: Jul 30, 2002; by Athanatos

Maybe the workers suck because they aren't being paid a living wage.

I don't understand companies that expect A+ committed, dedicated workers when they treat them like garbage.

Boohoo this worker is lazy, or maybe they're tried from working their other two part time jobs to make ends meet you cheap gently caress.

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