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Peter David reportedly went on a 'gypsy' screed in an NYCC panel :/ http://panopticblast.tumblr.com/post/151446127869/okay-some-more-detail-on-the-peter-david-is
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Oct 7, 2016 14:13
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Teenage Fansub posted:Peter David reportedly went on a 'gypsy' screed in an NYCC panel :/ Jesus Christ.
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Oct 7, 2016 14:28
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What a loving bizarre tangent to go on. Jesus christ dude.
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Oct 7, 2016 14:28
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It's still (unfortunately) really common to see people use the word Gypsy.
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Oct 7, 2016 14:53
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spooky like this! posted:It's still (unfortunately) really common to see people use the word Gypsy. Yeah but this is a bit more than just ignorant use of the word.
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Oct 7, 2016 15:44
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joehonkie posted:That's actually the least offended I've been by the boy/girl toy divide in Happy Meals for a long time. At least the toys are all the same scale and theme and the girl and boy toys can be played with together. Usually it's "boys get a transformer that shoots and girls get a dolly."
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Oct 7, 2016 17:38
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Lurdiak posted:
To be fair, the girls are based on an existing DC girl aimed franchise, although it's still pathetic that "girls in high school getting into wacky high school misadventures!" is automatically girly and the relatively normal action packed thing is for boys. It's like when George Lucas said he made his fairy princess movie as "Star Wars for girls". Sidenote: Is that Batman with a sword? These toyetic animations are crazy awful, but I love the idea that their finally just going hogwild with merchandising and putting it in some media instead of just leaving the toys to have all these inexplicable additions and variants. When I was a kid I had like, eight different Batman toys wearing weird armor or whatever.
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Oct 7, 2016 17:41
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That DC Super Hero girls is a good comic and a great line of toys.
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I'm confused, is the criticism for the toys that the boys line has the word action in it and the girls line doesn't?
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Oct 7, 2016 17:46
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Ferrule posted:That DC Super Hero girls is a good comic and a great line of toys. I agree, I like it. site posted:I'm confused, is the criticism for the toys that the boys line has the word action in it and the girls line doesn't? As was already noted it's not the worst toyline gender divide but it's still notable.
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Oct 7, 2016 17:49
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WickedHate posted:I agree, I like it. Oh i just wanted to make sure that was what was being discussed and i didn't miss something with the toys themselves or something like that.
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Oct 7, 2016 17:54
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The boy's toys are standard action figures in action poses and the girl's toys are barbie-type dolls with real hair so that is part of why I think it's lame. There's a very clear distinction between the toys for girls and the toys for boys.
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Oct 7, 2016 17:58
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It reinforces that superheroes doing superhero things are for boys and girls can only appreciate the genre if it's feminized and defanged.
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Oct 7, 2016 18:06
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Lurdiak posted:The boy's toys are standard action figures in action poses and the girl's toys are barbie-type dolls with real hair so that is part of why I think it's lame. There's a very clear distinction between the toys for girls and the toys for boys. All I know is that that is a gigantic loving batarang.
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Oct 7, 2016 18:16
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Lurdiak posted:The boy's toys are standard action figures in action poses and the girl's toys are barbie-type dolls with real hair so that is part of why I think it's lame. There's a very clear distinction between the toys for girls and the toys for boys. As far as I can tell it just makes the girls toys better. I think the boys ones are also locked into an "action pose" which is also terrible. I have not taken my son in to McDonald's recently but it would not be the first time he got the "girls" toy.
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Oct 7, 2016 20:46
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I've always wanted comb my Batman toy's luscious black hair and they never ever let me
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Oct 7, 2016 21:42
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spooky like this! posted:It's still (unfortunately) really common to see people use the word Gypsy. Not as much as the basically everyday term 'gyp' I can't imagine 'lame' and 'dumb' will ever be able to be scrubbed out of popular slang, but who needs 'gyp' any more? That should be as easy to raise consciousness about as the flippant 'gay' pejorative has been. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Oct 7, 2016 |
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Oct 7, 2016 22:41
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Teenage Fansub posted:Not as much as the basically everyday term 'gyp' My mom had us stop using the term 'gyp' decades ago, but I didn't realize gypsy was inappropriate. I thought not using gyp was like not using jew as a shorthand for cheapness.
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Oct 7, 2016 22:54
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Lurdiak posted:The boy's toys are standard action figures in action poses and the girl's toys are barbie-type dolls with real hair so that is part of why I think it's lame. There's a very clear distinction between the toys for girls and the toys for boys.
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Oct 7, 2016 22:55
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In America we have no idea that Romani is an ethnic group, I think. Most people think of gypsies as something like a cowboy or something you can be for Halloween that doesn't really exist anymore. A lot of us think of native Americans the same way. People are gradually becoming more aware of this but it's not like Europe where there's this violent hatred of them as a people and all these stereotypes about them. Like when I was a kid basically it meant "someone with a crystal ball and one of those bandanas on". Like I thought for years you could become a gypsy.
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Oct 7, 2016 22:59
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Teenage Fansub posted:Not as much as the basically everyday term 'gyp' I always heard "Rip" as in "what a rip (off). Later on I heard it explained as a nicer way of saying "Gyp"
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Oct 7, 2016 23:36
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Even 'Nicest Man Alive' Weird Al Yankovic has used the term 'gypped' repeatedly in his songs, it's really baked into our language but not antiquated enough that it's harmless like "dumb" is.
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Oct 7, 2016 23:39
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Teenage Fansub posted:Not as much as the basically everyday term 'gyp' I'll be honest and say it's one that I had to actively force myself to stop saying just because it took a while to put two and two together on the context.
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I didn't even know gyped was based off gypsy until i was almost out of hs cuz i had never seen it spelled and not being familiar with the history of the romani never put it together I also thought gypsies were supposed to be cool mystics as a kid and not a slur /whiteamerica
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Apparently even Ta-Nahesi Coates, at a completely separate panel, got a question about Romani characters and how he could change how comics approach them to which he said he had no sufficient answer for that. I guess the guy just went around to several panels asking about this. The panel was with Steve Orlando and Tee Franklin and was supposed to be on Race and Gender in comics and one report I read said that it was really awkward because it seemed like fans wanted them to just magically fix these things instantly as if they had some kind of power over the industry as a whole.
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Having been to panels like that, I can say it is only ever awkward like that or a weird preaching to the choir thing. I obviously support diversity in characters but those panels with the "fans" they attract are just odd.
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trashbuilder posted:Having been to panels like that, I can say it is only ever awkward like that or a weird preaching to the choir thing. I obviously support diversity in characters but those panels with the "fans" they attract are just odd. You don't really support diversity if you aren't interrogating random mildly famous about how they propose to solve every conceivable issue.
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joehonkie posted:As far as I can tell it just makes the girls toys better. I think the boys ones are also locked into an "action pose" which is also terrible. I was really happy with how well received Super Hero Girls was on FCBD. I think it's a good start, and the toys for boys could take a cue. Give boys similar toys and comics, and then nobody will bat an eye when they merge.
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This is honestly why 'gypped' and all will never be removed from common language. When I tell people half my family is Roma (and then usually have to say 'gypsy, that's the name for gypsy') like half the people I've told it to, from childhood to literally last week, are surprised to learn those are real people and not either jokes or fantasy characters. Like, I'm not happy with Roma representation, I want it to be something that's on people's radar, I think the crazy 'no gently caress you here's an urban legend that proves they're all filthy thieves' response is insane, but I also know it's almost impossible to get traction when most of the people in your country don't know you're an actual ethnic group and not invented by Hunchback or Dracula
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trashbuilder posted:Having been to panels like that, I can say it is only ever awkward like that or a weird preaching to the choir thing. I obviously support diversity in characters but those panels with the "fans" they attract are just odd. The activist who was asking those questions at least sparked a debate about it online and raised awareness of the issue, which was probably what they wanted to achieve considering that it is an issue that a lot of Americans just genuinely don't know exists.
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Here's Peter David's response given to Bleeding Cool. http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/10/08/peter-david-talks-to-bleeding-cool-about-that-new-york-comic-con-panel/ He copies and pastes the old Bucharest article in there. The response picks up after the newspaper picture if you want to skip that part. edit: and he's currently posting in the comments. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Oct 8, 2016 |
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Holy poo poo. That response Peter David types up is doubling down, blame shifting, attacks the guy who asked the question, and attacks Romanis again for "being homophobic." What a bunch of garbage.
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I used to really like Peter as a person. He could be preachy as hell, but I usually agreed with his core points on his blog. I'm a bleeding heart lefty, and up until this, he came off much the same. gently caress.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Here's Peter David's response given to Bleeding Cool. how can a grown man in a professional job that involves interacting with the public be this stupid? Like, this is when he's supposed to go 'aw gee sorry if my random racist rant offended, bye' and just slink away, not double down on saying 'ACTUALLY they are all human garbage and also hate gays!!!!'
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Oct 8, 2016 16:17
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Tatum Girlparts posted:how can a grown man in a professional job that involves interacting with the public be this stupid? What's funny is we could normally all agree the guy asking the question at every panel was kind of obnoxious and inappropriate, but Peter David is almost trying to be the bad guy here.
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WickedHate posted:What's funny is we could normally all agree the guy asking the question at every panel was kind of obnoxious and inappropriate, but Peter David is almost trying to be the bad guy here. no the guy wasn't. he is obviously being an activist and to get the plight of a oppressed people in the consciousness you need to disrupt. it is what LBGTQ and BLM have done.
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WickedHate posted:What's funny is we could normally all agree the guy asking the question at every panel was kind of obnoxious and inappropriate, but Peter David is almost trying to be the bad guy here. not really at all. I mean I admit to being biased but I think there's zero wrong with an activist for a very poorly represented group asking 'so what about these guys' in a panel sucking itself off over diversity to begin with. I think the question sounded perfectly respectful (I admit I haven't actually heard it just read how people described it, maybe they were more obnoxious than it sounded) and it was a good question to ask. But yea I do think we all agree regardless of how you feel about the question, Peter's taken it from 'uh ok maybe he was a little annoyed he felt his thing was being hijacked?' to 'oh no this dude just fuckin hates these people'.
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