Jonas Albrecht posted:

After the VP debate I was expecting Clinton's polling to drop a little bit, or at least her rising numbers getting blunted. Nope, she's still going up. I know it's just polls and poo poo, but it's still funny.

climboutonalimb posted:

As much as I hate to bring up the idiotic emails topic one thing I don't understand (and am afraid to look up for falling into a right wing media pandora's box) is what exact are the 30,000 missing (deleted?) emails. My uninformed assumption is that they are emails strictly personal and not subject to subpoena or legal discovery but if anyone has a non-crazy news article about it id love to read it

Pick posted:

All of Clinton's deleted e-mails are her fighting about whether DS9 ripped of Babylon 5.

Brony Car posted:

Hillary Cultists: what's your preferred response to the "any low level soldier/employee who handled classified information like Hillary did would have gotten court-martialed/arrested" argument.

Crain posted:

So, with the whole "Hillary used a PDA to order Drone Strikes" as the new chapter of the emailgateghazi-saga, I decided to ask my father what the hell was actually up with the whole thing. Specifically he is a CISO in a government Agency, has been a CIO, has been a webmaster, sys-admin, and most other computer and system security related title/job combos in the government since like the 70s. I know no one else who could have more experience with exactly what this is (As in literally out of all the people I personally know).

So the TL;DR he gave me was a break down of how FISMA (Federal Information Security Management Act) actually works in the day to day for basic users and higher ups (including Cabinet level positions). You may have heard or read this act mentioned in the OIG report that was link previously, it's a major consideration when it comes to whether or not Clinton did any wrong and whether or not what she did is actionable.

So here is how, as it was explained to me in very simple but flowery language, information security is supposed to work.

1) Thou shalt have a CIO. Every department, agency, regulatory agency, etc, whatever. If it's a stand alone entity it has to a CIO. The CIO is where the buck stops. When it comes to signing off on exceptions to FISMA and other security rules, it's up to the CIO to sign off on it.

2) Thou shalt have a CISO. You can have more than one, but you need at least one. The CISO generates a risk report based on what rules the end users want to ignore (because following all the rules of FISMA means you most likely cannot do your job if it involves a computer). Do you not want to do XYZ? Well the CISO figures out what the risks in that are. Then passes those risks onto the CIO to be approved.

3) Thou shalt have the Department of Commerce. Because reasons. These guys exist here to just tell the AO/DAA: "Yeah sure". They pass the buck.

4) Thou Shalt have a AO/DAA. The AO/DAA (Authorizing Officer/Designated Authorizing Authority), who is also a CIO, will...do the job of the CIO and sign off on approved ATOs (Authorization to Operate) because that's his job, but in this flow chart he is actually further down the list even though he's the head of the department.

So if you want to do something and it's against FISMA, which it most likely is, you go to your CISO. You say "Hey, we need this router to get a bunch of new hires online, but the WEP isn't working right. So can you sign off on this so we can use it anyway". So the CISO sits down and figures out all the ways that's a bad idea, all the rules you're violating, and then passes that up to the CIO to be approved/denied. If it's approved things move forward. Now if there is a Hack, the big men with guns, badges, and warrants show up, an IT investigator (forget the actual name for this guy) goes through what happened and goes through the list of official FISMA rules and goes "HEY! You didn't follow this rule! The Router wasn't protected right!". To that you say "I was given approval from the CIO to do this" and show the documents.

The men with badges now go to the CIO and ask "The gently caress!?". The CIO is now in trouble because he didn't follow FISMA rules. BUT! The next stage of the investigation is the FBI looking to see if this was done deliberately to facilitate said hack. They find nothing. But it was a criminal investigation. Now the punishment is simply having the funding revoked since the CIO did not spend the funding he was already given to adequately secure government systems. No one else gets in trouble, but they were all investigated.

Now what does this mean for Hillary? Well let's go back to what McAlister posted (sorry about the spelling I can't remember ). 1) The server was already existing prior to her becoming SoS, 2) She did attempt to enter into compliance for the server and blackberry she uses when she took office, and 3) the server was only for the unsecured .gov email, as far as any investigation has shown she has followed the procedure for accessing and using secured information. AKA: Used the burn rooms and skifs in compliance with stated rules like leaving blackberrys/devices outside of secure access rooms, etc.

Here is how that breaks down:

- If Hillary was doing this the CIO is in charge of stopping her. Even if rebuffed on it the CIO is who is responsible.
- Since Hillary did attempt to enter into compliance she is completely clear of any possible criminal charges. Hands down. She was not deliberately attempting to circumvent FISMA rules for the purpose of compromising security. And single 30 second meeting with the CIO of her asking "Can we secure and connect my mail server for work?" suffices. (if documented) ((it is documented)).
- Even if approval for bringing her server/blackberry into compliance was denied it is up to the CIO to stop her from accessing it and using it for work related activities. That's literally the CIO's Job. Caveat: That's if the CIO was aware of the situation. But: That is a weak stipulation since it is your job to know as CIO and The CIO(s) in question did know.

Final point about the Drone blackberry approvals: My father says there is a trump card to FISMA loosely known by "Beans, Blankets, and Bullets". Sometimes in a different order, sometimes with Bombs instead of Bullets. Basically: If it involves the Military and specifically the Military completing a mission then all rules are out. That's why you don't have soldiers calling in troop movements in emergency situations on unsecured lines getting in trouble with the FBI and some Military CIO, beyond just basic decency. So those drone approvals could have been sent by Western Union for all anyone cares.

Hope you found this extra bit of inside info from someone whose literal job it is/was to do this exact thing.

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

So is the elextion over? It feels like it's over. Burial at the Town Hall on Sunday?

ImpAtom posted:

I honestly can't figure out what the 'biggest bomb' would be. Like seriously at this point Trump has literally had treason on his plate, rape accusations, uncomfortably creepy moments with his daughter, admissions of pedophilia, threats of mass deportion, and arguments that we should execute innocent people. Like that's not "over the course of a campaign" that's "in the past 4 weeks." What the gently caress is the biggest bomb?

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only I + the police know.

canepazzo posted:

https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/784509436165578756

disjoe posted:

RIP 2020

I mean, even more than it already was RIP'd

disjoe posted:

RIP 2020

I mean, even more than it already was RIP'd

dont even fink about it posted:

We'll all be dead before they put forward a Republican nominee worse than this one.

theflyingorc posted:

so, yeah - this is actually a lot worse than anything we've got him on tape saying before, by a long shot. this is going to hurt him, I can't imagine not seeing a drop among evangelicals and especially women

canepazzo posted:

https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/784509436165578756

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

So what are the odds that he didn't hear what Trump actually said before releasing this statement? He's gonna get a quick phone call from some advisor and be like "oh... Oh god no..."

Antti posted:

Please proceed, Governor.

FactsAreUseless posted:

I'm dying. Help me. Please someone help me.

dont even fink about it posted:

We'll all be dead before they put forward a Republican nominee worse than this one.

lozzle posted:

I think it might be legitimately impossible.

Would David Duke himself have been worse?

Minimalist Program posted:

They're going to have Steven Seagal for 2020 and its still going to be better than 2016.

Armani posted:

Literally too late for that. This site has been heavily monitored for years and is going to be archived in an American library. This isn't hyperbole: you don't get >5 secret service visits, 3 murders, countless suicides, and 1 Interpol arrest on a mostly public Internet forum without eyes on you from now on.

Good job on the prediction, though. Is Scandinavia cool and do you want any Californian refugees

Thaddius the Large posted:

Is it too late to change debate moderators? Jerry Springer is seeming a more and more apt choice.

Sky Shadowing posted:

So what does happen if a candidate resigns after early voting has begun?

Because Trump will not, but Pence might, if he's any sort of smart.

WeAreTheRomans posted:

at the moment "grab her by the pussy" is out in front but im not sure if it has the memetic staying power of (check out sex tape)

Nessus posted:

The Republicans will not abandon Trump because they perceive that they are doomed if they do not retake the Supreme Court.

PhazonLink posted:

Wait what?

A Winner is Jew posted:

Armani posted:

Literally too late for that. This site has been heavily monitored for years and is going to be archived in an American library. This isn't hyperbole: you don't get >5 secret service visits, 3 murders, countless suicides, and 1 Interpol arrest on a mostly public Internet forum without eyes on you from now on.

Good job on the prediction, though. Is Scandinavia cool and do you want any Californian refugees

A Winner is Jew posted:

Evil Fluffy posted:

If Trump looks like a lost cause, and to a lot of GOPers that will be the case if he bombs the debate again on Sunday, they will absolutely cut their losses and abandon him to try and keep control of the Senate since that lets them gently caress Clinton on appointments. They will abso-loving-lutely ignore her SCOTUS pick for the next 4 years if they think they can get away with it.

A Winner is Jew posted: