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JosefStalinator posted:Am I the only one who wasn't really all that shocked or moved by the "grab her pussy" news? When I read it I was like "oh, look, another dumb Trump comment". Then it EXPLODED in a way that made me think, "what the hell, do things matter now?" I think a lot of right wing shitheads will still draw a line at physical contact. Like they think anything they say is fine and all complaints are just pc bullshit because it is just words and FREEDOM OF SPEECH and so on. It's like if instead of calling Mexican people rapists he shoved one down a flight of stairs then bragged about it.
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"I'm sorry, I guess, if I offended anyone who can't take a good He's the worst, but we knew that already. I love how some crazy Republicans call the release of the tape a "disgusting smear campaign". And yet there will still be millions and millions of people voting for him. An election straight out of the Twilight Zone. edit: https://twitter.com/TheFix/status/784571545997959168?lang=de Like others have said: apparently the crossing into the physical realm of hands-on sexual harassment was necessary for some of them to wake the gently caress up. Jack's Flow fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Oct 8, 2016 |
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JosefStalinator posted:This all makes sense, thank you. This election has absolutely broken me because I genuinely was nonplussed by this latest thing. We all knew he was a creep based on 100000000000 other pieces of evidence, but I'm still amazed that it took him explicitly saying "grab them by the pussy" in a recorded video to make people go "oh man, I wonder if this guy doesn't really respect women???". A lot of people don't listen to women, sadly. It took the man himself saying it in extremely explicit terms before people took the possibility of him actually being a misogynist and/or sexual criminal (he's both but some people only care about the latter) seriously. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Oct 8, 2016 |
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Roland Jones posted:A lot of people don't listen to women, sadly. It took the man himself saying it in extremely explicit terms before people took the possibility of him actually being a misogynist and/or sexual criminal (he's both but some people only care about the latter) seriously. Seriously. Usually I post facetiously, mostly because I try to let folks more qualified than me speak about it, but it's clear this election has shed light on a lot of important stuff. JosefStalinator posted:For my students, during the primaries I did a weekly (was once a week class) update on the current delegate counts, and a quick run down of upcoming races, general news, etc. Trying to imagine what my favorite Poly Sci professor would say in his next class. Perhaps I'll email him. isk fucked around with this message at 12:00 on Oct 8, 2016 |
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:I think a lot of right wing shitheads will still draw a line at physical contact. Like they think anything they say is fine and all complaints are just pc bullshit because it is just words and FREEDOM OF SPEECH and so on. It's like if instead of calling Mexican people rapists he shoved one down a flight of stairs then bragged about it. I agree in that a lot of the older(30-70+ year old) conservative folks do. For better or worse, they still have an old school sense of chivalry that they grew up around and picked up from their parents/grandparents, etc. The newer alt-right generation that is deeply entrenched in this "feminisms is cancer" culture war don't give a poo poo and seem to think it's the media making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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Oct 8, 2016 11:58
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Mister Adequate posted:And yeah I was pleasantly surprised to see this gain traction, I was 100% expecting the whole "it was just banter, boys will be boys" angle to stick. Thank god, because as someone who has been in a lot of locker rooms and a few golf courses, that's not how we talk. That's not even how we talk ironically. If he'd held up short of the pussy-grab comment he may have had a chance to somehow skate through another disaster, but that opened up the door to "Trump uses celebrity to sexually assault women" on the crawl and if that's not a deathblow then holy gently caress.
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Jack's Flow posted:edit: Sounds like something you would hear from one of those people who gently caress themselves up playing around with tannerite. Everyone could see it coming but we couldn't say exactly which limb was going to be lost.
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Jack's Flow posted:"I'm sorry, I guess, if I offended anyone who can't take a good So this is America's Brexit, huh? Well, you get what you vote for I guess.
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How on Earth did they manage to find someone so reprehensible on so many levels? You expect racism, corruption, gently caress-you-got-mine attitude, misogyny, warmongering, sanctimony, ignorance and all the rest of that good stuff from Republican candidates, but this is insane. It's like the entirety of American society was involved in generating and locating the worst human and this is what was produced.
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Archonex posted:So this is America's Brexit, huh? Thankfully, it looks like we're going to actually reject our Brexit. They got Corbyn and managed to keep him despite party fuckery, but our equivalent's still done a decent job despite not winning and we're on track to not (Mr.) Brexit ourselves, so I think we're winning. (This post is mostly joking, before people start talking about how comparing Bernie and Corbyn doesn't work or that one person starts screaming about how much they hate Bernie again or whatever.) Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 12:30 on Oct 8, 2016 |
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Roland Jones posted:Thankfully, it looks like we're going to actually reject our Brexit. They got Corbyn and managed to keep him despite party fuckery, but our equivalent's still done a decent job despite not winning and we're on track to not (Mr.) Brexit ourselves, so I think we're winning. At this point I'm hoping that when Clinton wins she can put some pressure on our country to stop becoming Russia. The leader of our second-largest far-right party (UKIP) was training Trump in debating a couple of weeks ago, you know.
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Today is going to be the day of days. And then on Sunday Omaha beach gets stormed. This is going to be a weekend, dudes. Strap the gently caress in. Chromatic posted:I agree in that a lot of the older(30-70+ year old) conservative folks do. For better or worse, they still have an old school sense of chivalry that they grew up around and picked up from their parents/grandparents, etc. The newer alt-right generation that is deeply entrenched in this "feminisms is cancer" culture war don't give a poo poo and seem to think it's the media making a mountain out of a mole hill. Even a lot of the younger, way-in-it MRAs still wouldn't hold a ton of truck with actually doing something like what Trump admitted he did, and then admitting to it; only the worst of the PUA types would be openly okay with it (and even then, the open secret is that they have nowhere near enough courage to actually behave in that manner). An absolute tentpole of the form of white nationalism that has its roots in the Confederacy and that the GOP has embraced over the past few decades is the protection of the purity of white womanhood - mostly, of course, from "the vicious and lascivious non-whites", but this extends to preventing the (open) abuse of white women and maintaining their purity until they are married off (at which point they become property). It was the entire point of the Lewinsky scandal - the GOP wanted to try and appear as the moral superiors compared to that awful adulterer Bill Clinton. It's all hogwash, of course, and the right-wing of American politics tends to promote the dominance culture that leads to sexual assault and unhealthy relationships harder than any other segment of the population. But the concept that they are still the Guardians of White Womanhood™ is absolutely and utterly central to the GOP narrative - both outer and inner, to borrow a phrase from this thread - and so Trump's behavior here is just too ludonarratively dissonant to ignore. It has to be dealt with, or otherwise the party just becomes about naked dominance and misanthropy, and the GOP are not yet so lost that they think reverting to Bronze-age social mores is the way forward for the human race. (Well, except for Hannity invoking King David, I suppose. This loving election.)
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Gort posted:At this point I'm hoping that when Clinton wins she can put some pressure on our country to stop becoming Russia. The leader of our second-largest far-right party (UKIP) was training Trump in debating a couple of weeks ago, you know. Ahahaha, oh man, I forgot about that. Yeah, UKIP was really comparable to Trump there, campaigning on racism and promising things they never intended to follow through on, then when they won (or rather lost, since all signs point to them not actually wanting Brexit, they just wanted to drum up support and complain after it lost) they hosed off to Russia and to help Trump and stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump and his various helpers do something similar following their loss, though Trump might be arrested not long after he loses, given everything that's coming out about him.
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JosefStalinator posted:Am I the only one who wasn't really all that shocked or moved by the "grab her pussy" news? When I read it I was like "oh, look, another dumb Trump comment". Then it EXPLODED in a way that made me think, "what the hell, do things matter now?" Because actual, real rape is a horribly illegal crime and a hell of a lot more concrete than just musing about racist talking points. Like, he raped people. And bragged about it. Literally. Unwelcome sexual contact, i.e. grabbing genitals, is rape. That's why it's a bigger deal.
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Chokes McGee posted:Because actual, real rape is a horribly illegal crime and a hell of a lot more concrete than just musing about racist talking points. Hey now, to a certain type of (utterly vile) people, rape only really counts when we're talking penetration. This might mean nothing to these scum of the earth.
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Roland Jones posted:On a more serious note, I feel bad for sexual assault survivors and the like who had to endure this, and the reactions to/defenses of it, all over the news and the Internet and stuff all day. I can personally laugh it off and take pleasure in how it's destroying Trump, but other people have been through worse and can't; I've already seen some sobering things said on Twitter and such on the subject. Trump and his enablers in the GOP need to be destroyed. This same thought occurred to me this morning but then I thought of the innumerable women Trump has probably molested over the years, women who knew they'd never see him punished for what he did to them because he'd be able to steamroller them with lawyers or just get them fired. Finally, FINALLY, he's facing consequences for his actions towards women like them, I hope they get some measure of comfort from that.
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greatn posted:I wonder is Matt Taibbi has said anything on this, or jelly his mouth shut. https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/784572609413472257 https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/784574905404850180
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lozzle posted:https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/784572609413472257 So just analysis and talking about how bad it is(because he is just a bad)
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The Glumslinger posted:"Trump doesn't have minions in the media like Hillary" TELL ME this was Corey.
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HorseRenoir posted:I just realized that I'm going to be on a plane while the second debate is happening I'm on a ship. Or rather I'll be back on it then. I'm getting drunk at a hawker stall at he moment. We'll get the debate on satellite, but it's going to be at like 7AM Monday and I'll be busy with other poo poo I'm sure. Plus we have a no politics rule, generally. I'll just have to read you guys highlights I expect.
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porfiria posted:Yeah I'm not sure about the GOP's prospects--Trump didn't come out of nowhere, he's the product of a serious disjunction between GOP leadership and its (shrinking) base. I don't know how easy those bridges will be to rebuild. From a while back, but I'd like to add to/amend this point. For years, the GOP has been catering to the lowest common denominator. They've been BRILLIANT at getting the vast majority of their electorate to willingly and happily vote against their own self-interest. You go to any trailer park and it's 90% Republican-- even though the candidates they vote for work against those type of people. But they turn a lot of it into a single issue. (Guns! or Jesus! usually) and that seems to be enough. They've been on the fringes of the party for years, and while most of the GOP didn't openly court them, they sure as hell didn't push them away, either. Then Trump came along and figured out "Hey, if I just say all these things that those people think, they'll crawl out of their holes and support me" and he was absolutely right. From the beginning he's been catering to the lowest common denominator of society, catering to people's hate and fear, "telling it like it is" (code for "he says the terrible things I think but can't say publicly) and he's gotten this far. My point is, the Republicans brought this on themselves by not disavowing that part of their electorate and allowing them to hang onto the fringes. It really was only a matter of time before Trump or someone else came along and figured out how to get them all united and ride it to a nomination.
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BigglesSWE posted:Hey now, to a certain type of (utterly vile) people, rape only really counts when we're talking penetration. This might mean nothing to these scum of the earth. Yeah. One of the biggest problems I have about all this (not with anyone here btw) is that a lot of people are already disregarding that this is an act of rape and he is publicly confessing to it. It's the mindset that caused all this in the first place: it's not a big deal he grabbed her genitals because it's like slapping her butt as she goes by. Boys will be boys!  And besides that, there's multiple accounts of him forcing himself on women and them telling him a definitive "no", which was then ignored. In one case he tried to get a woman into his daughter's bedroom during it. Think about that. Just let it wash over you. Realize you will now never be clean no matter how much skin you scour off with that pumice stone
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Gort posted:How on Earth did they manage to find someone so reprehensible on so many levels? You expect racism, corruption, gently caress-you-got-mine attitude, misogyny, warmongering, sanctimony, ignorance and all the rest of that good stuff from Republican candidates, but this is insane. He's actually a Persona pulled from the collective zeitgeist of America. Some kid wandered into velvet room and fushed Mara with the GOP.
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Gort posted:How on Earth did they manage to find someone so reprehensible on so many levels? You expect racism, corruption, gently caress-you-got-mine attitude, misogyny, warmongering, sanctimony, ignorance and all the rest of that good stuff from Republican candidates, but this is insane. What you are seeing is the end state of the idea that the richer you are, the more moral value you have as a human being.
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WampaLord posted:I can't believe I went to bed early last night. Is it possible to get 110% in polls? Do we need to get Steiner in here?
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JosefStalinator posted:Am I the only one who wasn't really all that shocked or moved by the "grab her pussy" news? When I read it I was like "oh, look, another dumb Trump comment". Then it EXPLODED in a way that made me think, "what the hell, do things matter now?" And I think the "concrete actual person" and the crassness are also important. It's not hypotheticals against a large number of people. It's this concrete person. And he's not just talking about assault. He's being completely crass and tacky about it. And it's all on tape, unlike with Machado. And finally, it's just the cherry on top of this particular turd pile. Starting with Machado. It's like some compounding of the exact same message until a tipping point has been reached.
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Fangz posted:What you are seeing is the end state of the idea that the richer you are, the more moral value you have as a human being. With apologies to the esteemed Dr. Lecter, whenever possible, one should eat the rich.
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