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Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
This update reminded me that I knew a guy who came to work wearing a cowboy costume complete with spurs. Twice.

I imagine they shoot you for that in Texas.

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IAmTheRad
Dec 11, 2009

Goddammit this Cello is way out of tune!
I used a flip phone up until June. I even had the Silver Samurai as my ringtone. I changed to a smart phone because my cell provider is ending CDMA service in January. I got a discount on the phone on top of the discount for getting the phone on a 2 year plan. I use the Silver Samurai orchestral song as my ringtone now for numbers not in my contact list.

You can still buy a flip phone. There are ones that have LTE service compatibility. They are really inexpensive. They probably are more worthwhile if you are on vacation somewhere and just need a phone, and don't want to deal with roaming fees and all that.

Zerbin7
Oct 15, 2014

It's a living.
Yeah. I've still got one. Got it in the mail a couple of months ago.

CVE
Jan 27, 2012

ProfessorProf posted:

We're currently between episode 2 and episode 3 - Jack Hammer's murder happens in one week.

That makes no sense though given that Ema talks about having a Pink Princess strap and Sal only gets the idea when meeting Maya as far as I can tell. I'm on to you game!

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.

CVE posted:

That makes no sense though given that Ema talks about having a Pink Princess strap and Sal only gets the idea when meeting Maya as far as I can tell. I'm on to you game!

No, he's saying that currently, October 8 2016, is a week before events in the third chapter of this game happens.

CVE
Jan 27, 2012

Mraagvpeine posted:

No, he's saying that currently, October 8 2016, is a week before events in the third chapter of this game happens.

That makes sense. Silly dense me. Also the live action adaptation of Ace Attorney is pretty decent and is available on Netflix (at least in Germany but I assume the same elsewhere). and deals mainly with the 2nd and 4th case if I remember correctly if people want to check that out.

CVE fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Oct 8, 2016

IAmTheRad
Dec 11, 2009

Goddammit this Cello is way out of tune!

CVE posted:

That makes sense. Silly dense me. Also the live action adaptation of Ace Attorney is pretty decent and is available on Netflix (at least in Germany but I assume the same elsewhere). and deals mainly with the 2nd and 4th case if I remember correctly if people want to check that out.

Not available in Canada.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Huh. Now this makes me wonder if the Chief Prosecutor decided to take the fall to cover something up.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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Case 5 - Rise From the Ashes
Trial (Day 2) - Part 1







: Frankly, there are still a lot of... gray areas.
: Or rather, the whole thing is one big gray area...
: Don't worry about me, no matter what the outcome.
: I'm ready to accept my fate.
: I believe in you, sis.
: Mr. Wright, let me offer you a word of advice.
: Yes?
: A defense attorney should
: never "believe" their client.
: ...!
: The defendant is called to trial because they are suspected of wrongdoing!
: Never forget that.
: Ms. Skye, you... You remind me a lot of Mia. But there is one decisive difference between you and her.
: And that is?
: You're not a defense attorney.
: ...
: I believe it's almost time for the trial.
: Good luck, Mr. Wright.



: (No one's going to bail me out this time...)



: (I'll be alone in there... So I have to discover the truth all by myself!)











: The court is now in session for the trial of Ms. Lana Skye.
: The defense is ready, Your Honor.
: The prosecution has been ready for a while, Your Honor.
: (Edgeworth...)



: I hope that personal feelings will not be a part of the proceedings today, Mr. Wright.
: ...!
: I will choose the path I think is right, regardless of what those around me might say.
: The judgment to be made here is in our hands, not those of anyone else.
: Very well, Mr. Edgeworth, your opening statement please.
: Chief Prosecutor Lana Skye has committed an unpardonable crime.
: Not only this, but she was rash enough to commit it in the Prosecutor's Office lot!





: However, she will now pay for her rashness with her life. There was a witness to her crime...
: A "professional" witness!



: Well then, call your first witness, Mr. Edgeworth!
: The prosecution calls its first witness, Ms. Angel Starr, to the stand.
: (The "Cough-up Queen"...?)



: Hmm? Haven't I seen you somewhere...?





: Ho ho! Caviar! I've never eaten caviar before!
: (The judge is really wolfing it down...)



: Uh... thanks.
: Will the witness state her name and profession?



: It is too early for lunch. Your name and profession, please.
: ...
: Well, Your Honor? How does it taste?
: So this is why everyone raves about caviar!
: It's so tasty it hurts!
: I always thought caviar would taste like pickled tapioca.
: (What the heck does pickled tapioca taste like!?)



: Name. Profession. Now.
: Me? The name is Angel Starr.
: Don't go forgetting it. I find myself running Lunchland these days.
: Is... that what you wanted me to say, Mr. Edgeworth?
: Very well, witness. Please describe the incident to us.
: The prosecution will wait!
: I'm not finished eating...
: (Hurry it up!)
: Mmmm...
: Very well, Mr. Edgeworth. As you know, we usually call on the police to provide a description of the crime...
: Your Honor, as Mr. Edgeworth has said to the court...
: I am a... "professional."
: Uh... Huh?
: What exactly does that mean?
: Until two years ago, Ms. Angel Starr was a special investigator with the police. She was a first-rate homicide detective.



: ...
: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-hah! I-I know who you are!!!
: Cough-up...!?
: Cough-up Queen Angel Starr, Your Honor.
: Long time no see.



: V-v-very well! Y-you may continue with the description, Ms. Starr!
: (Just who is this lady!?)
: If I might have the court's attention over here...











: I suppose that's to keep visitors from taking up prosecutor's spaces, yes.







: And who was this valiant "witness"...?
: Why, it was me, Your Honor.

We get the floor plans seen above added to the Court Record. I forgot to open it up here. Whoops.

: Witness, did you see the very moment of the crime?
: Of course, Your Honor.
: Immediately after that, I apprehended the Chief Prosecutor.
: Hmm...
: It seems rather cut and dry, doesn't it?
: Well, Mr. Wright?
: Uh... I can't agree on principle, Your Honor.
: It seems that some poor losers are unwilling to accept the truth, Your Honor.
: Shall I proceed to crush what little hope they have remaining?
: If you can... Then give them your worst, Ms. Starr!
: (Wait, are they talking about me...!?)

















: Hmm... Bringing a lunchbox to your boyfriend?
: How touching!
: Hmph. As you can see...
: There is no room for doubt.
: The key "point" of your testimony seems to be nothing other than...
: the point of the knife which you saw being stabbed into Detective Goodman!
: So... how does it feel to be so utterly crushed?
: I... I'm still thinking about that.
: I-it's merely a flesh wound, Mr. Wright!
: Very well, Mr. Wright. You may cross-examine the witness.







: How did you know!?
: I respect the prosecutors' basic abhorrence of crime. Yet their methods are ugly and twisted.
: Twisted methods will always lead to tragedy.



: The lunchlady's uninformed opinion is duly noted.
: Given that they are used to erasing inconvenient evidence at their whim...



: Killing off a detective that knew too much is merely an extension of that.
: ...
: Ms. Starr... do you have something personal against prosecutors?
: I felt that I had found my dream job when I became an investigator...
: And if I hadn't been laid off by those prosecutors over there, I'd still be one.
: Laid off...?
: (She was fired...)
: To me, prosecutors are nothing more than worms.
: That said, I am a pro, as you know. My testimony is unbiased... and flawless.



: Very well. You may continue, Ms. Starr.





: This boyfriend... he's the detective?
: Not that boyfriend. The security guard.
: Th-"that" boyfriend?
: You have... several?
: Yes. "This" boyfriend, "that" boyfriend, and "the other" boyfriend. Care to join?
: The "yet another" boyfriend position is still open for applicants.
: ...
: I-I'll stick with the lunch, thanks.
: Note to self: the judge had to think before replying.
: The security guard room is in the lot, in A Block.



: (That would be the room with the "SECURITY" sign.)



: Since I'm a visitor now, I parked in B Block.
: So... she was in B Block when she witnessed the crime.





: You "sensed" something? So, you're saying you had a premonition of the murder?
: It felt like... how would you say... Oh yes...
: It was like the feeling you get when you view a pumpkin chock full of seeds!
: I have no idea what that means.
: Speaking of a "detective's instincts"...



: Yes, well, he was like a young cheese.
: A... young cheese?
: A pale white cheese, not yet tangy with experience on the streets. A greenhorn.
: Hmm...
: I, of course, am hard, yellowed, sharp as a tack.
: I bet you stink, too.
: In any case, there, in the lot, I felt something stirring in the back of my mind...





: By "garish car," you mean...
: Mr. Edgeworth's car, yes.
: M-Mr. Edgeworth's!?



: Wasn't it?
: ...
: Indeed, it was.



: Hmm!
: What an odd case this is.
: And the person you saw... you are sure it was the defendant?
: I saw her from no further than thirty feet away.
: I am certain it was her.
: (If she's telling the truth, we're doomed!)



: Even if we don't have any proof, we can always complain!



: Witness! In your testimony, you clearly stated the following: Prosecutors are nothing more than worms.
: Ergo!
: You are a biased witness!
: You might want to keep those silly opinions to YOURSELF in the future, rookie.
: Huh? Rookie?
: Unless you're willing to risk the consequences of doubting me?





: That...
: That was inspiring!
: I believe I've heard that tag line elsewhere... you could cry plagiarism?







: The moment I witnessed the crime,
: my reflexes took over and snap! I took a picture.



: (I suppose that's more exciting than just hanging it around your neck.)



: You think I'd show it to you, a prosecutor? Think again.
: ...!
: My boyfriend works in the photography division of Criminal Affairs.





: (Uh oh, that is unmistakably Lana Skye!)
: So, what was the defendant doing at the time?







: Tell me more about this knife that the suspect was carrying.



: Is that right, Mr. Edgeworth? It is your knife, after all.
: Er... Ahem, yes, that's about right.
: Prosecutors are, by nature, well-versed in the location of a man's vital organs.
: I'm sure it was easier than boiling an egg for my egg salad surprise set.



: Y-you can't testify as to her ability to kill an egg! I mean, a person!
: Hmm? Perhaps a chicken salad set would have been a better metaphor?
: So, the defendant was holding a knife. What then?





: Tell the court why you didn't try to stop this crime!
: You did see her raise the knife to strike, no?
: Hmm...
: The defense has a point.
: Unfortunately, by the time I realized what was going on, it was already too late.
: Too late...?



: I... I see.

And loop.

: I-it's only a flesh wound, Mr. Wright! We can make it!
: You said that before. Anything else?
: Scientifically speaking...
: Ms. Starr's testimony... is flawless.
: (Sounds pretty fatal to me.)
: Wh-what do we do!? Is this it? Is my sister guilty!?
: Let's just keep our heads cool and press the witness a bit, shall we? (For some reason, having her panicking next to me makes me calmer...)
: D-don't smile like that!

It's been a while since you've had to...but can you spot the contradiction?

Next time: More lunch.

Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Nov 10, 2016

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

"rik" the "consquences" are both misspelt.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Mors Rattus posted:

It's been a while since you've had to...but can you spot the contradiction?

Since I haven't actually played this particular case I'm going to guess that while the photo is of Lana it sure doesn't look like a photo of the exact moment of the crime.

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

So I'm guessing it's that the pointy tip doesn't have any blood on it.

Kind of weird that neither the defendant nor the witness are cooperating with their lawyers.

Tenebrais fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Oct 12, 2016

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Oct 25, 2007

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AlphaKretin posted:

"rik" the "consquences" are both misspelt.

Whoops. Fixed.

resurgam40
Jul 22, 2007

Battler, the literal stupidest man on earth. Why are you even here, Battler, why did you come back to this place so you could fuck literally everything up?

Mors Rattus posted:





: (Uh oh, that is unmistakably Lana Skye!)

Oh come on, you call that a decisive photo of anything? You cant even see the body! Or the knife, come to think of it...Yeah, by Starr's own testimony she was holding a knife in her right hand, and she's not doing anything except closing a trunk.

Quinn2win
Nov 9, 2011

Foolish child of man...
After reading all this,
do you still not understand?

Mors Rattus posted:

: Don't worry about me, no matter what the outcome.
: I'm ready to accept my fate.

Digging the dramatic zoom-in here.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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Those are actually two different expressions, which I edited at unequal croppings. In the lower one, Lana's eyes shift several pixels right.

Yeah, this is actually a relevant change of expression for Lana.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
You have to love Angel Starr's idea of "unbiased".

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

You know, in a black and white photo, Lana and Angel actually look pretty similar.

EponymousMrYar
Jan 4, 2015

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.

Tenebrais posted:

So I'm guessing it's that the pointy tip doesn't have any blood on it.

Kind of weird that neither the defendant nor the witness are cooperating with their lawyers.

That's actually kind of the point of this whole case, being something of a natural fallout once Von Karma got his comeuppance. It sort of shows the tight-knit relationship the Prosecution and Police had fraying at the edges.

Bonus: now Edgeworth gets to really shine since he's in a similar position to Phoenix for once.

WFGuy
Feb 18, 2011

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Toilet Rascal
Okay, so the crime scene is definitely on the other side of that little wall from the security room, and there's definitely something important in an incident from two years ago since it seems basically everyone is connected to something then, but most notably, the witness was on the other side of the fence from A Block. I expect Phoenix is going to coax her into saying something about moving to stop the perp - expounding on the "Immediately after that, I apprehended the Chief Prosecutor" bit from before her actual testimony, I'd think - and catching her in a lie.

...Or, at least, that's the expectation I'd follow in a more predictable crime procedural. After the first four cases, I'm not placing any bets.

Double May Care
Mar 28, 2012

We need Dragon-type Pokemon to help us prepare our food before we cook it. We're not sure why!

When I played this case, assuming that Lana is innocent (which I did, because I'm not a monster) makes this part difficult. Not because the testimony is flawless, but because there's too many flaws. Which one do I pick first?

I'm going to stop here since I finished the game now (thanks to this LP), but I had some trouble figuring out what the game wants me to target.

hopeandjoy
Nov 28, 2014



Rather Watch Them posted:

When I played this case, assuming that Lana is innocent (which I did, because I'm not a monster) makes this part difficult. Not because the testimony is flawless, but because there's too many flaws. Which one do I pick first?

I'm going to stop here since I finished the game now (thanks to this LP), but I had some trouble figuring out what the game wants me to target.

Yeah, that's a problem I often have with Ace Attorney games. This, or I know the conclusion it wants me to draw, I just don't know how to get there from what I have. Or I'm a step a head and the game wants me to establish something else now.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

15 years ago today, Gyakuten Saiban was unleashed upon Japanese Game Boys everywhere.

IAmTheRad
Dec 11, 2009

Goddammit this Cello is way out of tune!
I believe the Ace Attorney anime was made to celebrate 15 years of Gyakuten Saiban.

ManicVolcanic
Jun 5, 2016
From a meta point of view, I feel like it has to be something to do with the photograph. After all, if it didn't, then it would be possible to get past this phase of Starr's testimony without receiving the photograph.

With that in mind, I think it's that the picture doesn't appear to show Lana with a knife in her hand, nor does it appear to show her preparing to stab anything.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
So does the court appoint an attorney if you can't get one of your own, in Japanifornia? Or do you just throw yourself on the mercy of the court and forfeit any chance to confront your accusers?

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Oct 25, 2007

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It is mentioned earlier in this game that court-appointed attorneys exist, but they apparently are total poo poo and don't try very hard I guess?

Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




And apparently even they can decline cases, if I'm interpreting Edgeworth's commentary about how no other attorneys would take on his case correctly.

insanityv2
May 15, 2011

I'm gay
Kind of makes sense since Japan(ifornia) has no 6th Amendment. AFAIK in most other countries court-appointed attorneys solely exist to serve indigent clients, and Edgeworth clearly does not qualify for that.

ManicVolcanic
Jun 5, 2016

Regalingualius posted:

And apparently even they can decline cases, if I'm interpreting Edgeworth's commentary about how no other attorneys would take on his case correctly.

The way I remember it, the line meant that no other regular defense attorneys would take on his case, and I recall there being a few lines about Phoenix and Maya needing to convince Edgeworth to be their client quickly or else he would be appointed an attorney that wouldn't put up a fight.

IAmTheRad
Dec 11, 2009

Goddammit this Cello is way out of tune!
A court appointed attorney would probably just be there so there is somebody to warm the seat. I doubt those cases last too long.

The reason Von Karma had so many victories is that he faced court appointed attorneys most of the time. His only penalty was when he faced a competent attorney.

It'd be like an athlete being undefeated because he only races against 5 year olds.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Yelin Payne: Ace Attorney

Dariusknight
Jul 8, 2012

Waffleman_ posted:

Yelin Payne: Ace Attorney

Max Payne 4: Ace Investigations (Murder, Mayhem and Painkillers)

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
If she had a premonition that there was going to be the attack, how was it "too late" for her to stop it by the time she realized?

I'm sure that's not actually the "right" answer, but it was my first thought.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Leif. posted:

If she had a premonition that there was going to be the attack, how was it "too late" for her to stop it by the time she realized?

I'm sure that's not actually the "right" answer, but it was my first thought.

I dunno, it does fit the Phoenix Wright pattern of nitpicking every minor thing that seems odd until the witness slips up.

C. Everett Koop
Aug 18, 2008

ManicVolcanic posted:

The way I remember it, the line meant that no other regular defense attorneys would take on his case, and I recall there being a few lines about Phoenix and Maya needing to convince Edgeworth to be their client quickly or else he would be appointed an attorney that wouldn't put up a fight.

Theoretically, and if this was taking place irl, couldn't Edgeworth simply invoke his right to defend himself, and then do a crap job? Unless the judge declared Edgeworth mentally unfit to defend himself, and Uncle Phil's in no position to do that, Edgeworth isn't actually required to have counsel representing him, but that it is readily available so should he desire and/or be unable to secure it on his own.

Then again, in Japanofornia everything may go inside of a courtroom except not having a lawyer, which is the one sin that will not be forgiven, or something.

IAmTheRad
Dec 11, 2009

Goddammit this Cello is way out of tune!

C. Everett Koop posted:

Theoretically, and if this was taking place irl, couldn't Edgeworth simply invoke his right to defend himself, and then do a crap job? Unless the judge declared Edgeworth mentally unfit to defend himself, and Uncle Phil's in no position to do that, Edgeworth isn't actually required to have counsel representing him, but that it is readily available so should he desire and/or be unable to secure it on his own.

Then again, in Japanofornia everything may go inside of a courtroom except not having a lawyer, which is the one sin that will not be forgiven, or something.

In Japanifornia, Prosecutors are not allowed to be defense attorneys. You're one or the other, not both.

WFGuy
Feb 18, 2011

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Toilet Rascal

C. Everett Koop posted:

Theoretically, and if this was taking place irl, couldn't Edgeworth simply invoke his right to defend himself, and then do a crap job? Unless the judge declared Edgeworth mentally unfit to defend himself, and Uncle Phil's in no position to do that, Edgeworth isn't actually required to have counsel representing him, but that it is readily available so should he desire and/or be unable to secure it on his own.

Then again, in Japanofornia everything may go inside of a courtroom except not having a lawyer, which is the one sin that will not be forgiven, or something.

I think that in Case 4 that would only have been relevant for the final day twist. Edgeworth knew full well that he was innocent of the boatmurder, so he was only upset that Phoenix was taking on a fool's errand by trying to beat von Karma on such an open-and-shut case. Then by the time he was confessing to the old case Phoenix was on a roll, so he didn't switch to defending himself for that last trial-within-a-trial- plus, he probably wanted to see Wright's defence anyway.

It's definitely relevant for Case 5, though. Unless it's 100% required that Skye not defend herself, her looking for a DA to deliver her confession is one of the many curiosities of the case.

Alopex
May 31, 2012

This is the sleeve I have chosen.

Waffleman_ posted:

Yelin Payne: Ace Attorney

Ophelia Payne

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LifeofaGuardian
Oct 26, 2013

Every part of every human being-even their ugly sides-is beautiful. There is no limit to beauty.

Dariusknight posted:

Max Payne 4: Ace Investigations (Murder, Mayhem and Painkillers)

Don't you mean Paynekillers? :downsrim:

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