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SeanBeansShako posted:It actually happened a lot in history. Most notably Anne Bonny and Mary Read. They were captured along with Calico Jack Rackham's crew, causing much hilarity in court when they claimed to be pregnant as during the capture they'd kicked more rear end than the men. for added amusement: Rackham was Bonny's husband and he had her pose as a man to avoid unwarranted attention. When Mary Read came aboard using the alias Mark Read, Bonny fell for her thinking she was a pretty man and revealed her true sex to Read only to discover the truth. However, Rackham didn't know, and when he saw Read and Bonny getting close he accused Bonny of infidelity, refusing to accept her explanation that Read was passing even though his wife was already doing the same thing.
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Yep. The ones we know of all got outed or came out eventually. Quite a few got away with it and a no doubt a depressing number died doing it.
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I've never seen anyone say Monstrous Regiment is bad, just that it's much darker and less funny than Disc books were at that time, which Terry IIRC said was a result of writing it right after 911
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Oct 9, 2016 15:16
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It's pretty decent yeah, kind of a follow up to Jingo too in some ways. People saying it is bad must be part of that gross anti feminism crowd or something.
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Oct 9, 2016 15:33
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SeanBeansShako posted:It's pretty decent yeah, kind of a follow up to Jingo too in some ways. I read it when it came out and thought it was boring because it was a bit boring. Had it been written by basically anyone else I probably would have thought it was a good book 
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it's one of my favourite discworld novels, but many people don't seem to like it. i've never thought that the people who don't like it are part of some vast anti-feminist conspiracy
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Hogge Wild posted:it's one of my favourite discworld novels, but many people don't seem to like it. i've never thought that the people who don't like it are part of some vast anti-feminist conspiracy It's like when Eddie Murphy tried to become a serious musician in the 80s and then everyone was really disappointed when he was just crooning and playing the payana and didn't even fart oh wait actually it's not like that because Eddie Murphy is a bad comedian and a bad musician but you get the idea. e: And Monstrous Regiment is funny, it's just nowhere near as funny as the previous books.
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Monstrous Regiment is one of my favourite Pratchett books, I was surprised to see it getting hate itt
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I didn't much like it the first time through because I felt the way it turned out was too farcical even for Pratchett, but much later I reread it and I think I've warmed up to it a bit more now.
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SeanBeansShako posted:People saying it is bad must be part of that gross anti feminism crowd or something. I feel like the ending was too contrived and farcical to really fit the book and that the weak ending makes it one of his weaker entries. If I rated all the Discworld books it would probably end up in the bottom third. I don't think it's a bad book, I just don't think it's a particularly good one. If this makes me a gross anti-feminist then
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I think we can all at least agree that Jack Jackrum is right up there with Vimes in terms of sheer badassery. "Upon my oath, I am not a violent man!" *stab*
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Khizan posted:I feel like the ending was too contrived and farcical to really fit the book Could you expand on this? The supernatural bits, or the courtroom reveal? Both of which seemed okay to me.
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The courtroom reveal, mostly. I haven't read it in years, though, so I am iffy on the specific details but I remember really disliking the "Oh ho, the entire high command are women faking it! And so is Jackrum! And so is everybody but that hapless LT!" Just fell flat for me.
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Yeah that's exactly what I thought. It's like a comedy with no straight man. e:  e2: don't get me wrong, it works, but you have to stop and think for a minute about why it works and I guess I wasn't in the right frame of mind the first time around. My Lovely Horse fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Oct 10, 2016 |
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Khizan posted:The courtroom reveal, mostly. I haven't read it in years, though, so I am iffy on the specific details but I remember really disliking the "Oh ho, the entire high command are women faking it! And so is Jackrum! And so is everybody but that hapless LT!" Just fell flat for me. Jackrum kicks all the men out of the room before the big reveal, so its not the entire high command. Gravitas Shortfall posted:Monstrous Regiment is one of my favourite Pratchett books, I was surprised to see it getting hate itt I agree.
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I should have seen it coming, knowing Pratchett was very fond of Chesterton, but somehow still didn't.
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Khizan posted:If this makes me a gross anti-feminist then There is not liking the ending and there is just downright hating it because of the ending, you seem pretty much in the former camp which is fine. It isn't the most original ending now, but the book still carries a strong message and Jackrum she would be just as diamond as Mr Shine (if she were a troll). Plus I love the cover art for it. Tee hee, ladies bloomers. We're all entitled to our opinions and tastes. I like and have fond memories of both Soul Music and Moving Pictures even though most people here aren't the fan of them. I am also sad Discworld Noir never got a art book or comic too.
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Jedit posted:Most notably Anne Bonny and Mary Read. They were captured along with Calico Jack Rackham's crew, causing much hilarity in court when they claimed to be pregnant as during the capture they'd kicked more rear end than the men. for added amusement: Rackham was Bonny's husband and he had her pose as a man to avoid unwarranted attention. When Mary Read came aboard using the alias Mark Read, Bonny fell for her thinking she was a pretty man and revealed her true sex to Read only to discover the truth. However, Rackham didn't know, and when he saw Read and Bonny getting close he accused Bonny of infidelity, refusing to accept her explanation that Read was passing even though his wife was already doing the same thing. You forgot the best part: When Rackham's ship was captured Read and Bonny were the only ones to put on a fight and they actually held off the troops for a while. Then when Rackham was sentenced to death Bonny's last words to him was "Had you fought like a man, you need not have been hang'd like a dog." Screaming Idiot posted:I think we can all at least agree that Jack Jackrum is right up there with Vimes in terms of sheer badassery. Jackrum is also pretty scary: ” The fire gleamed off Jackrum’s triumphal face. In the red glow his little dark eyes were like holes in space, his grinning mouth the gateway to a hell, his bulk some monster from the Abyss. Poor old soldier, her father and his friends had sung, while frost formed on the window panes, poor old soldier! If ever I ‘list for a soldier again … the devil shall be my sergeant! In the firelight the grin of Sergeant Jackrum was a crescent of blood, his coat the colour of a battlefield sky. ‘You are my little lads,’ he roared. ‘And I will look after you.’
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Sometimes I miss my old avatar. For context.
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It never sat easily with me how Pratchett could be so "omg war is icky hell oh no grey faced coat men" and then spend about 33% of the book wanking over how awesome and deadly Jackrum is. The ability to both have a cake and eat it probably involves those bloody quantums.
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Disgusting Coward posted:It never sat easily with me how Pratchett could be so "omg war is icky hell oh no grey faced coat men" and then spend about 33% of the book wanking over how awesome and deadly Jackrum is. The ability to both have a cake and eat it probably involves those bloody quantums. Jackrum being badass wasn't really shown as a good thing, though. Jackrum might have been a hero, but "he" is every bit as much a butcher and Pratchett doesn't shy away from it. The section Alhazred quoted shows that; Jackrum is the sort who makes the gray-faced men in tightened coats, then smiles about it over a cup of hot sweet tea.
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Yeah, Jackrum is definitely charismatic but the book very much shows you that you maybe SHOULDN'T like him. Straight up murderer associated with hellish imagery. It quite acknowledges the "badass" problem. Put me in as another that's shocked anyone has anything negative to say about the book. It's top tier for me along with Night Watch. SeanBeansShako posted:It's pretty decent yeah, kind of a follow up to Jingo too in some ways.
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Pratchett holds the pretty atypical view that just because a work is considered fantastical it doesn't mean that some basic truths should be given the misty-eyed view that is pretty rife in a lot of fantasy. War is nasty, brutish and utterly pointless in a majority of cases. All of his books that feature it definitely go out of their way to drive that point home. Even the stuff only mentioned like the Wizard Wars are treated as horrible relics of the past that should stay there. It's quite refreshing, really.
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Just got home from watching Guards Guards at the Brisbane Arts Theatre and had a wonderful time. The performers were clearly fans of his work (as evidenced by the numerous other works they'd previously adapted) and made it a rollicking good time.
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iajanus posted:Just got home from watching Guards Guards at the Brisbane Arts Theatre and had a wonderful time. The performers were clearly fans of his work (as evidenced by the numerous other works they'd previously adapted) and made it a rollicking good time. I need to see a theater adaption of one of books one of these days, especially one done with love.
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Screaming Idiot posted:I think we can all at least agree that Jack Jackrum is right up there with Vimes in terms of sheer badassery. I never got the joke of that line before. 
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SeanBeansShako posted:I need to see a theater adaption of one of books one of these days, especially one done with love. A couple years back I caught an adaptation of "Wyrd Sisters" with an all female cast. It was pretty good.
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SeanBeansShako posted:I need to see a theater adaption of one of books one of these days, especially one done with love. It was my first, and was well worth it. The audience was really getting into it and the actors were surprisingly close to my mental pictures. They did well with a limited budget, too; Death and the dragon were perfectly put on even though the show obviously didn't have a massive budget to throw at the effects.
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iajanus posted:It was my first, and was well worth it. The audience was really getting into it and the actors were surprisingly close to my mental pictures. They did well with a limited budget, too; Death and the dragon were perfectly put on even though the show obviously didn't have a massive budget to throw at the effects. So how did they do the dragon?
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Jerry Cotton posted:So how did they do the dragon? A combination of effective usage of the stage/spot lights, shadow work, and the heaters at opportune moments. The fourth wall was also useful for when silhouettes were being "burnt" into it.
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iajanus posted:A combination of effective usage of the stage/spot lights, shadow work, and the heaters at opportune moments. The fourth wall was also useful for when silhouettes were being "burnt" into it. Sounds cool. I wish we had theatre in Finland. (Theatre that wasn't still under the spell of Jouko Turkka's enduring, all-encompassing legacy of really badness, that is.)
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VagueRant posted:Yeah, Jackrum is definitely charismatic but the book very much shows you that you maybe SHOULDN'T like him. Straight up murderer associated with hellish imagery. It quite acknowledges the "badass" problem. Hell, Jackrum himself acknowledges that he has done very, very bad things in name of Borogravia, and people like him who probably shouldn't. "... I've been to a lot of foreign countries and met some very interesting people, who I mostly subsequently killed before they could do me over good and proper." Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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People Also Overlook Just How Wonderful The Golem Characters Tend To Be. Pump 19 and Gladys Were Both Bright Spots In The First Two Moist Von Lipwig Books And Dorfl's Cameos Are Always Hilarious.
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I think Going Postal might have something really interesting going on with golems and the angel - messenger - postman connection, but now that I'm trying to type it out I have no idea if I'm just talking out my rear end? I haven't read it in a few years. I don't know I just love that book. And Feet of Clay.
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YggiDee posted:I think Going Postal might have something really interesting going on with golems and the angel - messenger - postman connection, but now that I'm trying to type it out I have no idea if I'm just talking out my rear end? I haven't read it in a few years. I don't know I just love that book. And Feet of Clay. Golems literally carries a word from (a) god in their heads.
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Golems don't necessarily need the word of a God in their head, just something Holy. The receipt Carrot got for purchasing Dorfl was sufficiently holy to give Dorfl life, which is pretty cool.
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Rush Limbo posted:Golems don't necessarily need the word of a God in their head, just something Holy. Ankh-Morpork worships money so it's holy as gently caress.
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Rush Limbo posted:Golems don't necessarily need the word of a God in their head, just something Holy. The receipt wasn't holy, it was what it said. Which was, at least in paraphrase, "The bearer of this note is the owner of the golem Dorfl". As Dorfl was the bearer of the note, he owned himself.
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Jedit posted:The receipt wasn't holy, it was what it said. Which was, at least in paraphrase, "The bearer of this note is the owner of the golem Dorfl". As Dorfl was the bearer of the note, he owned himself. I dunno man, a piece of paper affirming your existence as one controlled and defined by yourself through the power of metaphor sounds pretty drat holy to me.
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