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Themagicalgoat posted:The GOP abandoned Dole in '96. But they did so with his tacit permission and acceptance. There has never, in the history of the United States, been a major presidential nominee who went after the leadership of his own party during the general election. Ever. I understand that we are in a seemingly unfamiliar election, but please explain to me how this unprecedented act on the eve of a debate does something besides demonstrate (through actual counted votes) a fracture in the party? How will Ryan govern if he even retains a majority? What will policy look like? Obstructionism is no longer enough for the T Party. They've tasted a piece of victory in the primary and they will destroy themselves to get that high again. They were going to lose this election before this tape and they are still going to lose this election after it and almost definitely retain the house and the vast majority of state houses.
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mcmagic posted:They were going to lose this election before this tape and they are still going to lose this election after it and almost definitely retain the house and the vast majority of state houses.
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mannerup posted:https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/785129773337088004 Trump is actually going to make America great again by detonating the GOP from within. It's beautiful thing to behold in its own disgusting, abhorrent way -- like a mushroom cloud.
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Themagicalgoat posted:The GOP abandoned Dole in '96. But they did so with his tacit permission and acceptance. There has never, in the history of the United States, been a major presidential nominee who went after the leadership of his own party during the general election. Ever. I understand that we are in a seemingly unfamiliar election, but please explain to me how this unprecedented act on the eve of a debate does something besides demonstrate (through actual counted votes) a fracture in the party? How will Ryan govern if he even retains a majority? What will policy look like? Obstructionism is no longer enough for the T Party. They've tasted a piece of victory in the primary and they will destroy themselves to get that high again. It's easy to understand. Mcmagic hates Clinton, so any scenario where she'd be wildly successful must be untrue
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Night10194 posted:Why would this happen. The nominee is openly turning on the party at the moment. I don't think the actual civil war is going to begin until after the debate. If Trump gets eviscerated again, it'll be the clearest signal for everyone to flee the ship. Reince is probably sticking around and praying that he can somehow will this debate into a draw or even a slight loss.
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I seem to remember something from 2008-2012 that showed that audiences sympathize with Hillary when Bill's infidelity and sexual assaults enter the conversation. I wonder what it's like to be Hillary Clinton right now. To have spent the last 20 years putting together a campaign for president, to have it ripped away from you by a smooth motherfucker at the last second, to get your last chance 8 years later, come face to face with the last obstacle between you and your life's work, and to watch your opponent poo poo himself, catch fire, and jump out a window.
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Roman Reigns posted:God he's going to bring up the Bill Clinton rape stuff right off the bat No no no he's going to bring up Hillary's rape stuff 
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theflyingorc posted:It's easy to understand. Mcmagic hates Clinton, so any scenario where she'd be wildly successful must be untrue I want democrats to be wildly successful in this election but do you really think they are taking back the house or the majority of statehouses? Come on. BTW if any of those things happen i'll be THRILLED to admit I was wrong.
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Themagicalgoat posted:The GOP abandoned Dole in '96. But they did so with his tacit permission and acceptance. There has never, in the history of the United States, been a major presidential nominee who went after the leadership of his own party during the general election. Ever. I understand that we are in a seemingly unfamiliar election, but please explain to me how this unprecedented act on the eve of a debate does something besides demonstrate (through actual counted votes) a fracture in the party? How will Ryan govern if he even retains a majority? What will policy look like? Obstructionism is no longer enough for the T Party. They've tasted a piece of victory in the primary and they will destroy themselves to get that high again. I think sometimes this thread has a tendency to... anti-arzy and talk about this like it's the definite end to the republicans, there's no way they'll do anything after this, etc., etc. While I do think Trump will cost them the election, and quite possibly affect them majorly down ticket - give them 4 years. People will dismiss this out of hand as an outlier, we'll regress back towards the mean of two white dudes running, and the inexorable march change will take one more tiny shuffle down the road.
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Bushiz posted:I seem to remember something from 2008-2012 that showed that audiences sympathize with Hillary when Bill's infidelity and sexual assaults enter the conversation. Rumors I've heard is the Clinton campaign feels very "gross" atm
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mcmagic posted:I want democrats to be wildly successful in this election but do you really think they are taking back the house or the majority of statehouses? Come on.
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mcmagic posted:I want democrats to be wildly successful in this election but do you really think they are taking back the house or the majority of statehouses? Come on. BTW if any of those things happen i'll be THRILLED to admit I was wrong. Did you seriously spend more money to get rid of your car bomb avatar?
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:I think sometimes this thread has a tendency to... anti-arzy and talk about this like it's the definite end to the republicans, there's no way they'll do anything after this, etc., etc. You don't need to give them four years. Republicans have such a lock on state level politics they'll win big in 2018, guaranteed. WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE, PEOPLE!
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Night10194 posted:Why would this happen. The nominee is openly turning on the party at the moment. I think he's trying to stop it. Like, I think he hopes that, if he can talk to him face-to-face, he can convince him to stop and finally get him back in line. People can believe odd things when their life is crashing down around them. Also, holy poo poo, Rudy Guiliani is such a poor replacement for Kellyanne Conway. He is actively making Trump look worse, if that was even possible.
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mcmagic posted:I want democrats to be wildly successful in this election but do you really think they are taking back the house or the majority of statehouses? Come on. BTW if any of those things happen i'll be THRILLED to admit I was wrong.
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There's been a lot of talk in the thread, and for obvious reasons, about whether or not Trump will split the party, but honestly I think that's a meaningless question. The party is already split. I think the last 48 hours or so have made it abundantly clear that chaos reigns in the GOP right now and that there is no clear leadership or unified position regarding the trumpster fire. The question isn't 'will the GOP fragment' but rather 'is the current fragmenting permanent and, if so, what parties will emerge from the GOP's ashes." I mean, maybe it's me being hopeful, but nothing I've read in this thread, seen in the news or reported in tweets - including those by GOP politicians - seems to suggest to me at all that the GOP is currently functioning as a unified political organization.
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Bushiz posted:I seem to remember something from 2008-2012 that showed that audiences sympathize with Hillary when Bill's infidelity and sexual assaults enter the conversation. She is religious, she probably thinks that God did this for her. Maybe he did.
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mcmagic posted:I want democrats to be wildly successful in this election but do you really think they are taking back the house or the majority of statehouses? Come on. BTW if any of those things happen i'll be THRILLED to admit I was wrong. It is definitely within the scope of what could happen. At 8-9 points, it becomes a tossup. Trump was at 5-6 before we had tape describing sexual assault.
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Guy Goodbody posted:You don't need to give them four years. Republicans have such a lock on state level politics they'll win big in 2018, guaranteed. Pretty much this. Once the circlejerk over Trump's smoldering campaign is over, people will plod away and forget to vote in 2018.
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CascadeBeta posted:For Trump to have any chance going forward, he'd have to appear apologetic, thoughtful, restrained and well spoken for the entirety of the 90 minute debate while dodging landmines from Hillary. Hillary is going to roll out a pallet of mines each with a photo of various GOP leaders on them and spend the debate shouting things like "Paul Ryan says you are a loser!" from behind a blast wall.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:I think sometimes this thread has a tendency to... anti-arzy and talk about this like it's the definite end to the republicans, there's no way they'll do anything after this, etc., etc. For the record, I don't think that Dems will win the House. But my questions still stand about the open split in the party. A large number of votes will be cast for Trump and NOT cast for other Republicans.
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Themagicalgoat posted:The GOP abandoned Dole in '96. But they did so with his tacit permission and acceptance. There has never, in the history of the United States, been a major presidential nominee who went after the leadership of his own party during the general election. Ever. I understand that we are in a seemingly unfamiliar election, but please explain to me how this unprecedented act on the eve of a debate does something besides demonstrate (through actual counted votes) a fracture in the party? How will Ryan govern if he even retains a majority? What will policy look like? Obstructionism is no longer enough for the T Party. They've tasted a piece of victory in the primary and they will destroy themselves to get that high again. I mean, they nominated White Hot Ball of Rage. This is what happens.
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Bushiz posted:I seem to remember something from 2008-2012 that showed that audiences sympathize with Hillary when Bill's infidelity and sexual assaults enter the conversation. Hillary's favorability has never been higher than during the impeachment hearings. She comes off favorably during any discussion about their marriage, and it is the absolute worst strategy for Trump to talk about Bill's infidelity, for a number of reasons. She has had riposte lines rehearsed for decades against anyone, and now is her chance to use it against a guy who cheated on at least one of his wives and is now caught on tape bragging about sexual assault. It's going to be a bloodbath. RoboChrist 9000 posted:I mean, maybe it's me being hopeful, but nothing I've read in this thread, seen in the news or reported in tweets - including those by GOP politicians - seems to suggest to me at all that the GOP is currently functioning as a unified political organization. I think it was in the recent NYMag cover story, but there was an interview with Joe Biden where he said that one of the reasons why we're seeing so much political discord is that the GOP has no unifier or someone who speaks for them. You had McGovern Democrats, Reaganites, Clinton Democrats, but there's no central figure in the GOP who can lay down the law or make party planks. It's certainly not Trump, and the GOP (and democracy as a whole) suffers for it.
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happyhippy posted:Beginning to think Trump has some dirt on Rudy to get him to support. It is the brotherhood of dirtbags
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happyhippy posted:Beginning to think Trump has some dirt on Rudy to get him to support. Maybe not dirt, but Trump might have promised him and Christie something to stay on board. I'm assuming its whatever show or news network he produces after this trainwreck. Preibus, I think, is so drunk he thinks he's flying to Trump's victory speech.
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happyhippy posted:Beginning to think Trump has some dirt on Rudy to get him to support. Dirt worse than him marrying his own cousin?
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Iiinteresting... http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/09/media/anderson-cooper-martha-raddatz-town-hall-debate-questions/index.html CNN posted:The first set of questions at Sunday night's presidential debate will be about Donald Trump's vulgar comments on a newly published 2005 videotape, and the fallout from it.
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Pick posted:She is religious, she probably thinks that God did this for her. Maybe he did. At the same time, that document in the most recent email leak that showed the Democrats were supporting trump in various ways in the primary, in hopes that he would be easier in the general. The basket of deplorables speech drawing lines between GOP and trump supporters, it feels like she just did all the optional side quests.
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Coheed and Camembert posted:Hillary's favorability has never been higher than during the impeachment hearings. She comes off favorably during any discussion about their marriage, and it is the absolute worst strategy for Trump to talk about Bill's infidelity, for a number of reasons. She has had riposte lines rehearsed for decades against anyone, and now is her chance to use it against a guy who cheated on at least one of his wives and is now caught on tape bragging about sexual assault. It's going to be a bloodbath. Blaming a woman for a man's failings seems like a great way to make as many women vote for Trump as possible
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Instant Sunrise posted:Dirt worse than him marrying his own cousin? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxAz36rTOsc
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Quinton posted:Iiinteresting...
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