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Whole game spoilers: In Nahyuta's defense, he was being coerced until the final case.
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Oct 7, 2016 11:09
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irlZaphod posted:Whole game spoilers: In Nahyuta's defense, he was being coerced until the final case. It really doesn't make much sense though: Why would he be exceedingly abrasive towards the defense, and pretend not to know Apollo? He has no reason to unless Ga'ran is physically watching him right there. He's rude because the writers wanted an antagonistic antagonist, and there's no better reason. Well, I lied. There's a slightly better reason. He does say that he was lost in his despair and convinced himself nothing was ever going to change during the whole time he served under Ga'ran, which you can interpret to mean that he was resigning himself to acting the part. Still pretty flimsy though. And what's more the game's literally over by the time he gets over himself, so we get no chance to actually get to know him.
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Oct 7, 2016 11:18
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Amppelix posted:It really doesn't make much sense though: Why would he be exceedingly abrasive towards the defense, and pretend not to know Apollo? He has no reason to unless Ga'ran is physically watching him right there. He's rude because the writers wanted an antagonistic antagonist, and there's no better reason. That last part is exactly what I think the problem is. When the character was presented as a "last rites" prosecutor I got this sense of finality with him, but quickly felt this was a man who was completely hopeless. I don't know if you're a DC fan but there's a concept of an "anti-life equation" that eliminates all free will and hope, leaving some characters to behave in a similar fashion. "Let it go, and move on," and the only thing to move onto is death. By the time he's freed from that the game is done! I think his abrasiveness to Apollo may be linked story-wise to the idea that "sons carry the sins of the fathers." Apollo wasn't a son by blood and was brought to America before he could be impacted further by Khu'rain's political BS. You could reach for the possibility of feelings of abandonment, but I think the writing was so focused on the Apollo-Dhurke relationship there was no room for further development with Nahyuta. I wonder if any further material got cut?
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Oct 7, 2016 12:01
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Amppelix posted:Nahyuta really reminds me of Justine Courtney from AAI2. They both get their big redemption in case 5, but when you actually think about it that leaves the entire rest of the game where they've been a massive rear end in a top hat for basically no reason other than that the writers needed an antagonist who was satisfying to defeat. That's because Justine was also a cool mom. Plus the last case in that game was SUPER long and she had started to come around in the case before it, so she had plenty of time to start being cool. Sad Monk didn't have that luxury. My big problem with Nahyuta was that he was also the prosecutor in the Japanifornia cases, which didn't make any sense. He also never reacted to the fact that he'd been proven wrong before. Beating him just wasn't satisfying because defeat just rolled off him. The only time I was glad to have him in Japanifornia was in case 4, and that was solely because Blackquil is awesome. They should make the next game Athena-focused and have her face off against Prosecutor Newman. Have Sarge be her assistant.
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Oct 7, 2016 12:12
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Silver Falcon posted:They should make the next game Athena-focused and have her face off against Prosecutor Newman. Have Sarge be her assistant. If we're posting dream scenarios... (Spoils the status quo as of the end of AA6) Revisit Apollo in Khura'in for the next game's 6-4 equivalent (ie, filler). But since Nahyuta's busy as regent,  Franziska even has a logical motivation to want to face off against Apollo, having overcome Phoenix like Phoenix did Edgeworth.
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Oct 7, 2016 12:18
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I hope the next prosecutor is an angry grizzled ex-wrestler or something. I'm sick of these skinny young adults and teenagers.
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Oct 7, 2016 12:24
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Lurdiak posted:I hope the next prosecutor is an angry grizzled ex-wrestler or something. I'm sick of these skinny young adults and teenagers. Blackquill was occasionally angry, also potentially grizzled. What a cool dude. AlphaKretin posted:If we're posting dream scenarios... (Spoils the status quo as of the end of AA6) Revisit Apollo in Khura'in for the next game's 6-4 equivalent (ie, filler). But since Nahyuta's busy as regent, What? Having her just show up in the filler case is a waste. Clearly in Athena Cykes: Ace Attorney, Franzy will be the main prosecutor. Building upon the obvious history Athena and Franziska must have, because who do you think Phoenix set Athena up with in Europe to teach her about the law??
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Oct 7, 2016 12:36
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Blackquill was occasionally angry, also potentially grizzled. What a cool dude. A grizzled skinny 28 year old.
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Oct 7, 2016 12:47
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Building upon the obvious history Athena and Franziska must have, because who do you think Phoenix set Athena up with in Europe to teach her about the law?? Professor Layton
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Oct 7, 2016 12:58
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Terper posted:Professor Layton Obviously who Athena learnt psychology from, not law. After all, the human mind is basically just a very involved puzzle.
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Oct 7, 2016 13:04
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Terper posted:Professor Layton He was even a Defense Assistant and a Prosecutor before!
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Oct 7, 2016 14:12
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I think the comparison to Franziska for Nahyuta is apt, where he's not great as an antagonist, but now that he's had his arc, he has a high chance to be cool in future appearances.
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Oct 7, 2016 14:17
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only if he gets prayer beads that dont ever break holy mother that was so hard to watch each of the 4+ times it happened
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Oct 7, 2016 21:42
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AlphaKretin posted:So I just replayed AA2 (well, case 4), and I forget, does the "Nick" Shelley calling card Franziska took actually come up when she returns in T&T? I don't remember it doing so. Update, of a sort: The exact same design is reused on Maya's letter in 5-5, so that's something. 
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Oct 8, 2016 14:00
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I want a flashback case where Bobby and Gumshoe teach Emma the ropes. The real Bobby before he was murdered 
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Oct 8, 2016 14:30
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AlphaKretin posted:Update, of a sort: The exact same design is reused on Maya's letter in 5-5, so that's something. Iirc, doesn't the 5-5 drawing include Phoenix's extra drooping hair spike?
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Oct 8, 2016 14:49
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VibrantPareidolia posted:Iirc, doesn't the 5-5 drawing include Phoenix's extra drooping hair spike? Probably, and it's got to fill in where the shell was too, but it still feels like a call-back. E: Haha, the anime cutscene says "Ohwagara Space Center" AlphaKretin fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Oct 8, 2016 |
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Oct 8, 2016 14:57
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Lurdiak posted:I hope the next prosecutor is an angry grizzled ex-wrestler or something. I'm sick of these skinny young adults and teenagers.
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Oct 8, 2016 16:12
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Just finished case 2. It only just hit me how great "Child of Magic" really is.
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Oct 8, 2016 23:08
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Phoenix has literally ninja'd evidence now, the translation team has gone too far.
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Oct 9, 2016 00:46
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Amppelix posted:Nahyuta really reminds me of Justine Courtney from AAI2. They both get their big redemption in case 5, but when you actually think about it that leaves the entire rest of the game where they've been a massive rear end in a top hat for basically no reason other than that the writers needed an antagonist who was satisfying to defeat. This is an apt comparison, although Courtney flips character much earlier in the game, and from that point onward is pretty likable. It's hard to forget what she did before that point, but it makes SOME sense. Plus it's not like there was no reason to investigate Edgeworth. in plot terms, then, Justine and Nahyuta have a similar function, but one acted like an rear end in a top hat for a good reason, and one is an rear end in a top hat that was blackmailed into being even more of an rear end in a top hat.
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Oct 9, 2016 03:38
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 Rayfa, I've told you a million times, no Power Stone cosplay at trials.
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Oct 9, 2016 03:44
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Justine was only mean to Edgeworth. She's not even comparable to Nahyuta; a dude who gets his rocks off sending people who are very likely innocent to their deaths.
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Oct 9, 2016 06:07
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Alright, I'm finally getting around to the climax of the DLC. I should be finishing it soon. I am really bothered by the lack of music at times. There are points where it seems like Phoenix's Objection theme should be playing, but it's just empty silence. Come to think of it, I don't recall that theme playing once this whole case.
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Oct 9, 2016 18:19
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Witness Testimony: Right to Remain Silent (Late DLC Spoilers)
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Oct 9, 2016 18:27
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Alright, I'm finally getting around to the climax of the DLC. I should be finishing it soon. Same, but pursuit. I think pursuit only plays a grand total of twice in the case. The first time for a ridiculous reason, and the second where it cuts off a few textboxes later
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Oct 9, 2016 18:38
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You're telling me that the only time Pursuit plays seriously is when Larry reveals that evidence? 
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Oct 9, 2016 18:47
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Just finished Case 3 at last and jesus was the truth behind that one of the most depressing things. And as an added bonus, I do believe that was the first case of the main series where one of the victims was really a suicide. I didn't even figure it out until midway through the Thought Route, because
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Oct 9, 2016 18:49
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That was the the revisualization's truth? I figured that much out during the first day's investigation. I didn't even realize it was supposed to be a twist.
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Oct 9, 2016 19:15
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Dragonatrix posted:Just finished Case 3 at last and jesus was the truth behind that one of the most depressing things. And as an added bonus, I do believe that was the first case of the main series where one of the victims was really a suicide. I didn't even figure it out until midway through the Thought Route, because You're forgetting Magnifi Gramarye
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Oct 9, 2016 19:23
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And now I'm finally done with AA6. Now I can get back to Gunvolt 2. And maybe someday I'll finally play a stage in Shovel Knight past the first one.
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Oct 9, 2016 19:50
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:You're forgetting Magnifi Gramarye One thing I like about AA6 is returning to that element in Case 2 and saying "Yeah, all those Gramayres were colossal pricks. All of them."
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Oct 9, 2016 21:22
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Did Thalassa remember Jove? I can't recall if she did.
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Oct 9, 2016 21:59
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Did Thalassa remember Jove? I can't recall if she did. She does when Phoenix shows her the picture of him after the credits.
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Oct 9, 2016 22:02
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Speaking of which, isn't she supposed to be blind? Or was it some sort of magic blindness that was cured when she got her memory back? Or did the writers just completely forget about it??
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Oct 10, 2016 00:55
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Amppelix posted:Speaking of which, isn't she supposed to be blind? Or was it some sort of magic blindness that was cured when she got her memory back? Or did the writers just completely forget about it?? She had surgery to restore her eyesight during AJ
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Oct 10, 2016 00:59
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She had an operation after 4-3.
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Oct 10, 2016 01:00
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:You're telling me that the only time Pursuit plays seriously is when Larry reveals that evidence? Worse, Case 3 is extremely loving long and I don't think Pursuit plays a single time in Day 1. And then once in Day 2.
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Oct 10, 2016 03:19
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DLC Trial "Let it go, Mr. Edgeworth. It's clear you don't know much about flowers. It's not like you have anybody you'd actually give any to, after all." Nick is loving savage.
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Oct 10, 2016 03:21
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Sea Sponge Run posted:Worse, Case 3 is extremely loving long and I don't think Pursuit plays a single time in Day 1. And then once in Day 2. That makes sense though because Case 3 Day 1 is very bad and you don't accomplish anything in it.
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Oct 10, 2016 03:22
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