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ArbitraryC posted:It's friday/saturday I thought they said, no thurs/sun. Also anx better beat europe it will be so unfair if they make it to semis never facing strong teams. http://www.lolesports.com/en_US/worlds/world_championship_2016/schedule/elim it's been over 4 days for awhile, I just can't make the Thursday one
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Libertine posted:One of H2K/NOX/C9/Samsung is going to be the world finals holy poo poo. this is completely ridiculous lmbo
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Oct 10, 2016 04:28
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This is me, not surprised that the quarters draw procedure did not match the rules document at all.
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Oct 10, 2016 04:31
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actually i think h2k is going to make it to finals over ssg because with the amount of luck they've had thus far all of samsung is going to get chicken pox like albus nox did or something equally ridiculous
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Oct 10, 2016 04:36
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Libertine posted:Wow the quarterfinals matchups are stacked in the KR/CN ones but it's mostly the fault of EDG and RNG losing groups they should have won. It's hilarious how lopsided the bracket is. One of H2K/NOX/C9/Samsung is going to be the world finals holy poo poo. Theoretically, I think SSG vs. SKT will be the "best" possible games in terms of pure macro/micro, but I want to see NOX take it all the way to finals and just have three or four slugfests.
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Oct 10, 2016 04:37
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Dragongem posted:http://www.lolesports.com/en_US/worlds/world_championship_2016/schedule/elim that link only shows me today's games, I just meant that when they showed the schedule after picks it was friday/sat I can't say for sure because the online schedule is a piece of poo poo and impossible to use
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Oct 10, 2016 04:39
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kirtar posted:This is me, not surprised that the quarters draw procedure did not match the rules document at all. It's : B1 D2 A1 C2 C1 A2 D1 B2 In terms of a cup format it is completely fair and equitable. The problem is that the two (considered) weakest 1/2 teams are all in the bottom half. That's not really their fault though it's mostly the fault of the LPL teams for underperforming in groups.
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ArbitraryC posted:that link only shows me today's games, I just meant that when they showed the schedule after picks it was friday/sat I can't say for sure because the online schedule is a piece of poo poo and impossible to use Oh, I had it on quarters and I guess it didn't work. It's: C9/SSG Thursday SKT/RNG Friday ROX/EDG Saturday H2K/ANX Sunday All at 5 PM central
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Oct 10, 2016 04:42
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Dragongem posted:Oh, I had it on quarters and I guess it didn't work. It's: Interesting, good to know though thanks. Was watching live with a friend I swear they only mentioned 10/21-10/22.
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Hey Dragongem, where are you actually located? Last year I heard you were at NYC. I'm curious if anyone's going to Chicago with ya from here or anyone to NYC.
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Oct 10, 2016 04:45
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Libertine posted:It's : quote:6.3.2 Second Round Quarterfinals. Second round of the tournament will consist of four best-of-five matches. Seeding will be determined by team records from the Group Stage. The teams securing the #1 seeds from the Group Stage will play the #2 seeds from different groups. There will be a bracket-assigning draw immediately following the completion of the final game of the Group Stage. Once a pairing is created (e.g. A1 vs D2) then the “cross-pairing” is also locked in (e.g. A2 vs D1) and placed on opposite sides of the bracket. The first pairing will be placed on the top side of the bracket while the “cross-pairing” will be on the bottom side of the bracket. This will also lock in the remaining matchups (e.g. B1 vs C2; C1 vs B2). Once all matchups are known a final draw will be held to place one of the remaining matchups into the top side of the bracket (e.g. B1 vs C2 or C1 vs B2).
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Yeah I dug through the schedueler and saw my error, I can say that I was with a friend who made literally the exact same mistake so I think the infograph was poorly designed. We both saw the centered bolded dates and thought that was for each side of the bracket.
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Oct 10, 2016 04:48
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I'd really like to see a longform piece in a few weeks that delves into TSM and Worlds this year, going over the expectations going in and what what "wrong". If it had both in-depth interviews with team analysts so that we got a real sense of what was happening in scrims on top of player statements, that'd be cool. Basically a written 30 for 30 about this year's rise and fall of TSM.
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Oct 10, 2016 04:49
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kirtar posted:Except with the draw procedure described in the rules, it should have been B1 vs A2 first pairing which immediately dictates the mirror pairing (A1 vs B2) on the bottom half. The rules document does not place teams into the bracket before forming pairings. It just says that one pairing is made and then is mirrored on the other side. That is what happened.
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Servaetes posted:Hey Dragongem, where are you actually located? Last year I heard you were at NYC. I'm curious if anyone's going to Chicago with ya from here or anyone to NYC. I live in Chicago. Flying solo this time. I flew up to NYC for the NA LCS with Komisar and Auxilia last year which was pretty sweet. Edit: I was thinking about going out to LA for the finals but I couldn't get tickets at a decent price and I decided to spend the money on a new computer instead. Dragongem fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Oct 10, 2016 |
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Libertine posted:It just says that one pairing is made and then is mirrored on the other side. That is what happened. Read farther. It places teams AFTER forming the pairings. How it's described is
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Oct 10, 2016 04:53
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kirtar posted:Read farther. It places teams AFTER forming the pairings. How it's described is the rules explicitly prohibit same side pairings tho, A1 vs B2 isn't legal cause A/B can't be in same quarter match which is why nox got kicked all the way to the right bracket. B2 wasn't legal for either A1 or B1. A1 and B1 can only fight C2 and D2. As far as I can tell the goal of this was to force a situation where the 2nd in a group couldn't face the first in a group until finals. e2: To be more explicit their goal is to avoid A1 vs B2 and B1 vs A1 on same half so as a rule they made it so A can't fight B. ArbitraryC fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Oct 10, 2016 |
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ArbitraryC posted:the rules explicitly prohibit same side pairings tho, A1 vs B2 isn't legal cause A/B can't be in same quarter match which is why nox got kicked all the way to the right bracket. I don't think you understood what I'm saying at all. In the described system, you don't put all of the 1st seed teams into the bracket and then draw 2nd seeds. The only possible conflict in the described system is drawing two teams from the same group. With this procedure we would just draw say A1 B2. At this point all remaining matchups (A2B1, C1D2, C2D1) would be set. Then A1B2 would be in upper half and A2B1 would be bottom. Then they would randomly place the remaining matches in the bracket.
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Oct 10, 2016 05:05
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Dragongem posted:I live in Chicago. Flying solo this time. I flew up to NYC for the NA LCS with Komisar and Auxilia last year which was pretty sweet. If you're flying to NYC this time around on your own, Rinj and I are gonna be there! So if you're going and wanna do something, send me a PM. It'd be cool to get to meet the folks I've played League with over the years.
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kirtar posted:I don't think you understood what I'm saying at all. In the described system, you don't put all of the 1st seed teams into the bracket and then draw 2nd seeds. The only possible conflict in the described system is drawing two teams from the same group. With this procedure we would just draw say A1 B2. At this point all remaining matchups (A2B1, C1D2, C2D1) would be set. Then A1B2 would be in upper half and A2B1 would be bottom. Then they would randomly place the remaining matches in the bracket. ArbitraryC posted:e2: To be more explicit their goal is to avoid A1 vs B2 and B1 vs A1 on same half so as a rule they made it so A can't fight B. The rules are designed to avoid a rematch semifinals
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ArbitraryC posted:The rules are designed to avoid a rematch semifinals You still don't get it. There wouldn't be one.
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kirtar posted:You still don't get it. There wouldn't be one. No you don't get it and that's why they did it the way they did.
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ArbitraryC posted:No you don't get it and that's why they did it the way they did. Look. So say they draw A1B2. Lock in A2B1. If they're put on the opposite side of the bracket how the gently caress are they going to have a rematch semifinal when they can't play each other until finals? You're still assuming that teams would be placed in the bracket before forming pairings.
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Oct 10, 2016 05:10
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RealFoxy posted:who loving cares No one, he just thinks his dumb interpretation that they should have drawn 1 first seed then 1 second, mirror'd it and then had the last 2 groups set is somehow better despite being way more anticlimatic
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ArbitraryC posted:No one, he just thinks his dumb interpretation that they should have drawn 1 first seed then 1 second, mirror'd it and then had the last 2 groups set is somehow better despite being way more anticlimatic I didn't say it was better. I said that it was in the rules document.
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unfortunately the finals is never the best part of worlds. Samsung white vs SHRC was pretty much pre-decided. SKT vs Tigers was a good matchup but they're from the same region so they were familiar with each other and SKT was undefeated at that point. Groups is honestly the best part, quarters and semis are usually 3-0s. Although, like SHRC, RNG had the potential to surprise, but I think they will be defeated by SKT. That said, there are going to be some good BO5's in the coming weeks. But the finals will be a stomp. I actually went to the 2014 world finals and after enjoying the worlds season immensely I wondered why I went to the finals instead of Groups.
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Groups is always the best part of the tournament. I know I had a lot of fun this year, so many upsets! Quarters still look interesting, the only 3/0 I'm expecting is SSG crushing C9 into the ground. The other three will be cool, especially SKT/RNG. Is there a site that tracks p/b's and win percents for champions at worlds? Wondering how diversity looked. It seemed better than some previous years, at least.
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kirtar posted:I didn't say it was better. I said that it was in the rules document. literally no where in the rules did they indicate they would do anything other than draw the first seeds first in a row, which is what they've always done including for this year's groups. You are the one being weird here.
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Libertine posted:Wow the quarterfinals matchups are stacked in the KR/CN ones but it's mostly the fault of EDG and RNG losing groups they should have won. It's hilarious how lopsided the bracket is. One of H2K/NOX/C9/Samsung is going to be the world finals holy poo poo. BUNG
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mistaya posted:Is there a site that tracks p/b's and win percents for champions at worlds? Wondering how diversity looked. It seemed better than some previous years, at least. http://www.gamesoflegends.com/champion/picksandbans.php?season=S6 Sort it by worlds using the drop down. Would try to direct more cleanly but I'm phone posting.
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also i can definitely see why somebody would find it fishy that the brackets were set up to almost guarantee that a western team would make finals, because this is basically the only outcome where that could happen
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I wonder if someone paid the LPL teams to play badly and gently caress up the seeding? Also someone paid Nox to play WoW instead of scrimming so they could run over their group.
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:I wonder if someone paid the LPL teams to play badly and gently caress up the seeding? Also someone paid Nox to play WoW instead of scrimming so they could run over their group. douyou.tv
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Schiavona posted:I'd really like to see a longform piece in a few weeks that delves into TSM and Worlds this year, going over the expectations going in and what what "wrong". If it had both in-depth interviews with team analysts so that we got a real sense of what was happening in scrims on top of player statements, that'd be cool. Regarding TSM, I think there were a combination of factors that led to them being overhyped and underperforming: 1) They looked absolutely dominant in NA, which is a region that's still just barely starting to get to the level of other regions like Korea in terms of support staff. Reginald got serious this year about trying to win Worlds, to TSM's credit, and it showed in their performance against teams in NA who were not being coached to the same level. This kind of sweep really made them seem like a whole new team going to Worlds when looked at in the vacuum of NA. 2) Their drafts in all three of their losses were frankly garbage:
3) They made too many critical fumbles that led to the games spiraling out of control:
I'd say that their drafting and their shotcalling are still their biggest weakpoints. Their three losses are just some real puzzlers of drafting and decision making. I'm also still bedazzled by how badly Doublelift wants to throw games away by being too goddamn cocky. The absolute arrogance of returning to solo pushing top lane as Jhin barely a minute after Sencux just sent you to the dumpster when you were doing the exact same thing is astonishing to see on someone who's been playing this computer game for, what, 6 or 7 years? At this point, I'm really not sure that any amount of coaching is going to get it out of his system, and I feel like he's going to be a genuine liability going forwards if Reginald wants to continue being serious about bringing TSM past groups next Worlds. Vermain fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Oct 10, 2016 |
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Vermain posted:I'd say that their drafting and their shotcalling are still their biggest weakpoints. Their three losses are just some real puzzlers of drafting and decision making. I'm also still bedazzled by how badly Doublelift wants to throw games away by being too goddamn cocky. The absolute arrogance of returning to solo pushing top lane as Jhin barely a minute after Sencux just sent you to the dumpster when you were doing the exact same thing is astonishing to see on someone who's been playing this computer game for, what, 6 or 7 years? At this point, I'm really not sure that any amount of coaching is going to get it out of his system, and I feel like he's going to be a genuine liability going forwards if Reginald wants to continue being serious about bringing TSM past groups next Worlds.
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rabidsquid posted:also i can definitely see why somebody would find it fishy that the brackets were set up to almost guarantee that a western team would make finals, because this is basically the only outcome where that could happen If EDG had won the tie breaker against H2K or better yet not dropped their first game to a wildcard team that ended the group stage with a 1-5 record they would have a #1 slot in the bottom bracket and H2K would have to face ROX.
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