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surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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also poke this dude
https://www.etsy.com/listing/189473627/apl-keyboard-ibm-layout

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skimothy milkerson
Nov 19, 2006

i'm imaging a VIM sticker pack where every key is "i use a real IDE "

the enter key "shaggared again"

the escape key can be whatever his current avatar is

the super/OS keys can be an outline of maine

maybe the alt keys can be bicycles idk

pgroce
Oct 24, 2002
an emacs pack where every key is labeled "self-insert-command"

Symbolic Butt
Mar 22, 2009

(_!_)
Buglord
a lisp sticker pack where every key is either open or close parens

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Symbolic Butt posted:

a lisp machine sticker pack where every key is a meta key

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
also, just to rub it in



it weighs more than a MacBook Pro because it's made of metal

feels good man

pgroce
Oct 24, 2002
more like rub it out

original joke do not steal

Roosevelt
Jul 18, 2009

I'm looking for the man who shot my paw.

eschaton posted:

also, just to rub it in



it weighs more than a MacBook Pro because it's made of metal

feels good man

nice cardboard mat

mad.radhu
Jan 8, 2006




Fun Shoe

eschaton posted:

also, just to rub it in



it weighs more than a MacBook Pro because it's made of metal

feels good man

this is pretty great

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

Roosevelt posted:

nice cardboard mat

pizza box, must be

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

BONGHITZ posted:

pizza box, must be

nope, just the top of a box of paper so the melting silicone on the bottom of the Symbolics console doesn't goop up the desk

Brexit the Frog
Aug 22, 2013

xerox parc-rear end mouse

Instant Grat
Jul 31, 2009

Just add
NERD RAAAAAAGE
i want that board

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Instant Grat posted:

i want that board

the only people who should have Lisp Machine keyboards are people who have Lisp Machines to use them with

it's honestly getting to be a real problem, lots of collectors of vintage terminal and workstation hardware are now finding systems that are missing their custom (and undocumented) keyboards because the keyboard collector fuccbois are taking them to harvest their key switches and keycaps

I know of one Symbolics where someone literally tried to pay asking price for the system just to get the keyboard (without which you can't use it at console)

maniacdevnull
Apr 18, 2007

FOUR CUBIC FRAMES
DISPROVES SOFT G GOD
YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID

whats a good, inexpensive, quiet keyboard to get?

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

maniacdevnull posted:

whats a good, inexpensive, quiet keyboard to get?

depends on your definition of inexpensive but the Matias Quiet models are pretty nice

my manager at work has the tenkeyless version, and I don't really hear it from across the hall (over my AEK II or otherwise)

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.

eschaton posted:

the keyboard collector fuccbois are taking them to harvest their key switches and keycaps

loving christ

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

who cares though?

Fayez Butts
Aug 24, 2006

BONGHITZ posted:

who cares though?

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
exactly

Red_Fred
Oct 21, 2010


Fallen Rib
Scored a Code full size with clears off eBay today. Looking forward to paying the price i paid in shipping

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
gently caress yes. you have the ultimate blank slate. pbt caps would basically make you as a man

r u ready to WALK
Sep 29, 2001

I thought I wanted a clicky keyboard so I've been fidgeting with a cherry mx keyboard sampler from wasd for a couple of days and there's something about the blue clicking noise that is really unpleasant to my ears, like it's really high pitched or something.

The green click is much less obnoxious, it has a firmer thunking sound but it's still really loud :(

I think the clear switch is my favorite if I were to buy a new keyboard. All my existing mech keyboards at home and work are mx brown, and the clear switch feels just a little more tactile, probably better for typing and worse for gaming

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
its coz the blue click is a plastic click and not like a thock like your model ms

the blue click is tinny as gently caress

Symbolic Butt
Mar 22, 2009

(_!_)
Buglord

echinopsis posted:

not like a thock

you'd think a spring would make a higher pitch but who the hell knows how keyboard acoustics works. not me

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Symbolic Butt posted:

keyboard acoustics

Mods

burning swine
May 26, 2004



Symbolic Butt posted:

you'd think a spring would make a higher pitch but who the hell knows how keyboard acoustics works. not me

nah it isn't the spring that makes the sound, it's the big metal plate at the bottom of the switch suddenly smacking down into a contact

Symbolic Butt
Mar 22, 2009

(_!_)
Buglord

COACHS SPORT BAR posted:

nah it isn't the spring that makes the sound, it's the big metal plate at the bottom of the switch suddenly smacking down into a contact

oooh

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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time for some switch diagrams!

reds are linear and there's no tactile feedback when you cross the activation threshold:

it's a good switch for unsophisticated savages who bottom out regardless. you can get these pretty quiet if you pair them with o-ring bumpers, but really at that point you might as well look into some good dome boars if noise if that much of an issue

browns and clears nudge a leaf spring just after the activation point:

my preferred switches, similar but not quite same feeling as with buckling springs, the idea is that you don't bottom these out since you have immediate physical feedback after going beyond the activation threshold

blues have the same leaf spring idea going for them, but pushing past the threshold kicks forward a small plastic carrier that generates the distinctive click sound:

the problem with blues is that depending on how they're soldered on the pcb, how the pcb is secured and what sits behind the pcb, you can start making additional pings.

if your blue board is making a bunch of additional noise, check if the pcb is properly seated/secure, add some mass to the board and consider adding rubber baffles or something

linear, tactile & clicky are the only three operating modes of all mx switches (if you don't count stuff like the mx lock), the only thing that changes with another color is actuation force; greens and blues are the same switch with different springs, engaging at 80cn and 50cn respectively

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


surebet posted:

it's a good switch for unsophisticated savages who bottom out regardless.

i literally don't believe there are people who don't bottom out keys

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:

i literally don't believe there are people who don't bottom out keys

bottoming out is kind of a misnomer, the difference between aiming for the activation threshold and straight up aiming for the end of the switch

if i'm trying to type without bottoming out, i stop applying force past the activation point, so by the time the key gets at the end of the switch there's much less pressure than if i was going straight through, so less sound

"bottoming out" implies that you're pushing the key straight through regardless, so you're still applying full force by the time you hit the bottom, therefore making more noise

basically, "typing to make noise" vs "typing to be discrete", at least to my mind, through i've seen people with enough typing control to only partly depress keys without hitting the bottom at all. seems like a good way to get an rsi though.

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

~*lukecagefan69*~


Pillbug

VOTE YES ON 69 posted:

i literally don't believe there are people who don't bottom out keys

it depends on the switch really

keyboard im typing on now previously had switches similar to mx browns in weight and i bottomed out on those a bunch cause i got fat fingers, i switched it out for clears over the weekend and now bottom out significantly less simply cause im applying the same amount of force but the bottom of the keys is so much heavier so it cushions and stops me sooner

typing with clears over time you get used to not bottoming out so much in part cause if you did your fingers would just get loving tired

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.


someone recycled this, and i just found two more

pgroce
Oct 24, 2002
someone just threw away eBay gold

Necronomoticon
Aug 14, 2007

Millennial 80's business guy

echinopsis posted:

gently caress yes. you have the ultimate blank slate. pbt caps would basically make you as a man

i got me one of these a few months back and love it. although, i've been researching keycaps since then and i'm waiting for the holy grail:

PBT doubleshots with transparent legends, black/charcoal modifier keys, slate gray alpha keys, red escape & arrow key.

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.


three eleven-pound chunks of cast aluminum

Roosevelt
Jul 18, 2009

I'm looking for the man who shot my paw.

Necronomoticon posted:

PBT doubleshots with transparent legends, black/charcoal modifier keys, slate gray alpha keys, red escape & arrow key.

:jackbud:

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.

PBT tripleshots with orange APL legends, grey/white modifier keys, white alpha keys, 9-key-long PBT spacebar, and Attribute Select.

Roosevelt
Jul 18, 2009

I'm looking for the man who shot my paw.

atomicthumbs posted:

PBT tripleshots with orange APL legends, grey/white modifier keys, white alpha keys, 9-key-long PBT spacebar, and Attribute Select.

:jackbud::jackbud::jackbud:

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Roosevelt
Jul 18, 2009

I'm looking for the man who shot my paw.

orange legends FTW

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