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On a pure visual and audio standpoint, Thunderbolt is probably the best Gundam series I have ever watched and I will give it serious props for that. I rate it up high with 0080 and the original, though on opposite ends of the spectrum for their representations of warfare. 0080 is about how soldiers on both sides are still humans with dreams and desires, and the violence is used to punctuate how tragic the war is. You don't want Chris or Bernie to die, but the war demands one of them does, even if the death is ultimately meaningless. Thunderbolt goes the opposite way and has contempt for everything and everyone onscreen. It's a much more cynical outing, and you are watching two selfish pricks implode and take everyone else with them. Like 0080 it has a distaste for Gundam's marketing to children, but rather than make you feel sad about the loss of life, it throws dozens of untrained, underage recruits into the grinder, then looks at the audience and says "enjoy it, you little shits." It doesn't hold up with characterization as well as other series, but I feel that the animation makes up for it by defining the two protagonists so well through their actions. Shame about the supporting cast though. Cornelius, Carla and Claudia don't get much to do apart from being witnesses and victims to the atrocities committed. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Oct 9, 2016 |
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reminder of the best version of 0079
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Motto posted:reminder of the best version of 0079 ...Is that the Playstation game?
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Oct 9, 2016 05:24
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It's War for Earth for PC, Mac, and PS1. also has the best Char 
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Motto posted:It's War for Earth for PC, Mac, and PS1. also has the best Char I don't know. I hear he betrayed John, and that guy's, like, my second favorite suicide team pilot.
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Oct 9, 2016 06:33
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Motto posted:It's War for Earth for PC, Mac, and PS1. also has the best Char I like Shaw, he is a Quattro.
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Oct 9, 2016 06:48
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Raxivace posted:I think it is pretty easily the best work to come out of the Gundam franchise. I'm the same. For me it does the best job of balancing the gundam message without diluting it with making you go "drat I love the giant robots fighting"
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I've watched 4 episodes of war in the pocket and while it's clearly building to something big and good, for having spent an hour and a half watching it I can't say there was anything I really especially enjoyed. I'm fully expecting to love it once I finish it, but I really can't help but feel like "it's kinda boring for like an hour and a half" is a nonnegligible criticism, and also one that is not shared by thunderbolt (which I'm pretty sure is in my top 3 most favorite animated works right now)
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You'll never look at burger meat the same way again.
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ninjewtsu posted:I've watched 4 episodes of war in the pocket and while it's clearly building to something big and good, for having spent an hour and a half watching it I can't say there was anything I really especially enjoyed. It's a slow burn character piece. You've hit the end of the first payoff with the kampfer's ugly end. There is still more though and yes, it does get better.
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Oct 10, 2016 17:26
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It doesn't get better if what you want and mainly care about is action and violence, It's a character drama through and through which is what sets it apart from the other gundam series.
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A person whose favorite anime is Thunderbolt is not going to enjoy it, generally speaking. The heart is Al and Bernie's familial interaction and growing care for each other in all those quiet scenes. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Oct 10, 2016 |
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Oct 10, 2016 17:58
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I don't only care about action and violence. But the other stuff I care about is mostly dramatic emotion, and war in the pocket has been pretty subdued on that as well. I don't think what I've seen so far is bad, so much as it feels like 90% set up for later events. And, while I'm sure the payoff is very good, the wait being an hour and a half before getting to the good stuff is a substantial problem for me. There hasn't really been any conflict, violent or not, between any characters yet (though there's been an awful lot of foundation laid for future conflict) and there hasn't been any other kind of heavy emotional impacts either.
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Oct 10, 2016 18:20
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ninjewtsu posted:I don't only care about action and violence. But the other stuff I care about is mostly dramatic emotion, and war in the pocket has been pretty subdued on that as well. Yeah it's not really full of impactful and dramatic emotional conflict either, its a very subdued series. That's what I mean by it being the near exact opposite of something like thunderbolt which is all intense emotion and action. It has one dramatic scene of violence punctuating it in the finale, and that contrast is often all people remember which is why Hamburger LOL is so popular a catchphrase.
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Sharkopath posted:Yeah it's not really full of impactful and dramatic emotional conflict either, its a very subdued series. Honestly, that's why it works so well, because the slow-burn nature of the series gets you worked up for the big dramatic confrontation at the end but by the time you hit it, you actively do not want it to happen even though it's a foregone conclusion at this point. 0080 is anything but subtle about its message in the end, but subtlety isn't always necessary for a story to be effective.
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ninjewtsu posted:I don't only care about action and violence. But the other stuff I care about is mostly dramatic emotion, and war in the pocket has been pretty subdued on that as well. War in the Pocket has some very tense moments - Al getting the police to their hideout, Al and Bernie sneaking around the Federation Base for example. It's not really about character conflict in the way you're looking for. Maybe the climax of episode 4 doesn't count as a heavy emotional impact, but it has some, right? I think you'll like the ending but if the first 3 episodes aren't hitting you as part of "the good stuff" then I think you're just not into subdued character pieces. It's really hard to write it without making it sound like calling someone a pleb, but subdued character dramas for real aren't a thing that everyone will enjoy.
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When I was a kid I thought 0080 was boring and liked 0083, I was a dumb kid.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REVHphYIQ2E Anyone catch the new preview for Origin Part IV? They have gotten really good with their cel shaded CGI suits.
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Is the origin show going through the entire series? I thought they were just doing the chars childhood but now I can't remember where I heard that.
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Kingtheninja posted:Is the origin show going through the entire series? I thought they were just doing the chars childhood but now I can't remember where I heard that. It's been confirmed they're going to continue going on for as long as it's profitable and they're doing well, so yeah, probably.
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More Origin is gonna be good. I just hope it can live up to the Origin version of the Battle of Odessa. The color pages in that volume are incredible
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At first I was against the idea of a full Origin adaptation since it just puts the franchise back into full 0079 nostalgia mode, but after reading the comic and seeing how good it is I can't really blame people for wanting the stuff outside of the flashback volumes animated. Yas really did some wonderful work.
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He totally did. It's awesome seeing stuff like the real char aznable animated. And yeah doing the rest of it is kind of retreading old ground but God drat it looks gorgeous.
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Short interview with Yas, from Girl's Gundam (9/23/2009)quote:Amuro Ray, Who Might Have Been Japanese quote:A Work Becomes Appealing The More People Play With It
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Kingtheninja posted:He totally did. It's awesome seeing stuff like the real char aznable animated. And yeah doing the rest of it is kind of retreading old ground but God drat it looks gorgeous. As somebody who hasn't read or watched Origin, could you fill me in on the Real Char Aznable? And we don't mean cool shades Quattro Char, which is debatably the realest? What's comparatively less real about Char in 0079/Movie trilogy? Bonus: And is anime real? edit: I just googled it and got a wiki page answering my question, I'm not interested in this take on it personally. Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Oct 16, 2016 |
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Heavy Metal posted:As somebody who hasn't read or watched Origin, could you fill me in on the Real Char Aznable? And we don't mean cool shades Quattro Char, which is debatably the realest? What's comparatively less real about Char in 0079/Movie trilogy? You misunderstand. In the Origin version of the story Char Aznable was the real name of a person, who our Char murdered and assumed the identity of. edit: whoops late
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Droyer posted:You misunderstand. In the Origin version of the story Char Aznable was the real name of a person, who our Char murdered and assumed the identity of. Yep I got that after looking at the wiki, I don't get why add stuff like that to the story though, my armchair reaction is it's hacky. But people seem to dig it.
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In The Origin, a young Casval befriends a young man on Texas Colony that looks a lot like him named...Char Aznable. They both decide to join Zeon's forces, though Casval finds out there's going to be an attempt on his life via a space shuttle "accidentally" exploding. Casval pulls a switcheroo and convinces Char to switch places with him (Char doesn't know about the assassination attempt though). Char is killed, but everyone thinks it is Casval that died. Casval himself takes Char's identity, joins Zeon, becomes famous as the Red Comet and so on and so forth. Edit: gently caress; beaten like three times
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Mad Men probably did it better. (spoilers for Mad Men folks)
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Heavy Metal posted:Yep I got that after looking at the wiki, I don't get why add stuff like that to the story though, my armchair reaction is it's hacky. But people seem to dig it. I haven't gotten to that point in the Origin manga, so it could be done really well for all I know, but my initial reaction is that it just feels kind of unnecessary.
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It works in the manga, both as a reason for why the Zabis never pursued Casval any further and as a way to showcase how much of a sociopathic piece of poo poo Casval is.
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Yeah I always thought it was weird that the Zabis were just cool with Char and his Clark Kent getup in the original 1979 anime. The switch in The Origin sounds a little tackier on paper than how it actually plays out IMO.
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Raxivace posted:Yeah I always thought it was weird that the Zabis were just cool with Char and his Clark Kent getup in the original 1979 anime. The switch in The Origin sounds a little tackier on paper than how it actually plays out IMO. but it's on paper anyway?
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Raxivace posted:Yeah I always thought it was weird that the Zabis were just cool with Char and his Clark Kent getup in the original 1979 anime. The switch in The Origin sounds a little tackier on paper than how it actually plays out IMO. At least in the anime, it feels a little awkward, but I put that down to the condensed nature of the OVA adaptation. Episode 2 is so far the weakest of the Origin episodes and I put a lot of that on the fact that Casval is almost entirely overlooked in favor of Artesia. The first episode balanced their character development pretty well, and the third episode is almost entirely on Casval, so they come out better.
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Lemon-Lime posted:It works in the manga, both as a reason for why the Zabis never pursued Casval any further and as a way to showcase how much of a sociopathic piece of poo poo Casval is. I thought in the manga it was more Casval thinking an assassination attempt was a distinct possibility rather than him being sure of it. Sticking his helmet up on a stick to check for snipers, metaphorically. Just, you know. With more sending a supposed friend to his probable death. I might be remembering wrong, though.
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The Casval/Char thing is a little forced but works well in context and feels pretty Tomino even if Tomino wasn't involved. The area where I dislike The Origin's revisionism is in the "everyone meets at least once" sort of thing so Babby Amuro and Babby Sayla meet for no reason other than because they can. It's pretty minor overall though chiasaur11 posted:I thought in the manga it was more Casval thinking an assassination attempt was a distinct possibility rather than him being sure of it. Sticking his helmet up on a stick to check for snipers, metaphorically. It's hinted strongly that Casval knew exactly what was going to happen and that his friendship with Char (if he had one) died the moment Char proved himself to be a loyal Zabi-Zeon soldier. The Origin is really interested in focusing on the idea that Char can't help but use everyone around him.
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I haven't read the origin nor watched episode 3, but my take on it was basically "fake identities don't come out of nowhere, especially not when you're becoming an officer in the military" so it made sense to me that char aznable was an Actual Person that happened to look a lot like char, who casval murdered so he could walk around Looking Like Casval In The Zeon Military without getting shot I also like the idea that casval wears a mask/shades at all times not only because it's crazy fashionable, but because Real Char had brown eyes and it'd be a dead giveaway if he didn't hide it
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I don't like how Amuro doesn't build Haro, but it's the only thing I dislike from watching the Origin so far.
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Droyer posted:but it's on paper anyway? Arcsquad12 posted:At least in the anime, it feels a little awkward, but I put that down to the condensed nature of the OVA adaptation. Episode 2 is so far the weakest of the Origin episodes and I put a lot of that on the fact that Casval is almost entirely overlooked in favor of Artesia. The first episode balanced their character development pretty well, and the third episode is almost entirely on Casval, so they come out better. ImpAtom posted:The area where I dislike The Origin's revisionism is in the "everyone meets at least once" sort of thing so Babby Amuro and Babby Sayla meet for no reason other than because they can. It's pretty minor overall though Raxivace fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Oct 17, 2016 |
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