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The Unnamed One posted:In Brazilian news, as was expected, progressive candidates got loving slaughtered in mayoral races around the country. The guy I voted for got 18k votes and ended up at fifth place and now our two options are a police fascist gently caress and the current mayor.
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Porto Alegre is FUBAR and I was kinda expecting it, but gently caress me, what the hell is wrong with people in São Paulo? There's no loving hope in this world, man
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Oct 3, 2016 00:52
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Negrostrike posted:Porto Alegre is FUBAR and I was kinda expecting it, but gently caress me, what the hell is wrong with people in São Paulo? Haddad was probably the best mayor in decades for this loving city, but him being a PT candidate and a dude who actually did major - needed, for the most part - structural changes in the the way São Paulo works pissed a lot of old, lovely people off. He was hardly perfect, and did his fair share of dumb poo poo, but deserved a lot better than this.
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Oct 3, 2016 00:59
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Who votes 'no' to the end of a 50 year war? The most disappointing news I've seen in a good long while
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Oct 3, 2016 01:13
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Miruvor posted:Who votes 'no' to the end of a 50 year war? The most disappointing news I've seen in a good long while Fascists basically
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Oct 3, 2016 02:04
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Miruvor posted:Who votes 'no' to the end of a 50 year war? The most disappointing news I've seen in a good long while From what I've read, it got hijacked into becoming a referendum on Santos/establishment, much like the Brexit vote was. 2016 has been a lovely lovely year for democracy, and we've still got some months to go.
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Oct 3, 2016 02:07
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Negrostrike posted:Porto Alegre is FUBAR and I was kinda expecting it, but gently caress me, what the hell is wrong with people in São Paulo? I'm just surprised Melo didn't run with it and Marchezan not only made it to second round but also LED the first one. Also I have no idea who people that voted for Genro and Pont will vote for this second round. Maybe we can get null votes to beat both candidates!
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Oct 3, 2016 02:10
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Of all the major cities, Belo Horizonte probably had the worst outcome. Runoff between an Aecio stooge and Alexandre "vote for me because I won the Libertadores" Kalil. On top of that, PTN and PHS are the largest parties in the city council.
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Oct 3, 2016 02:31
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Miruvor posted:Who votes 'no' to the end of a 50 year war? The most disappointing news I've seen in a good long while https://twitter.com/sallyhayd/status/782715583129411584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Oct 3, 2016 02:46
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Who the gently caress puts something as important as a peace accord up to popular vote?
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Oct 3, 2016 03:05
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Dias posted:I'm just surprised Melo didn't run with it and Marchezan not only made it to second round but also LED the first one. Also I have no idea who people that voted for Genro and Pont will vote for this second round. Maybe we can get null votes to beat both candidates! People in this town are too loving dumb for this to work. I'll just drop my shorts and cut monkey tail over the booth.
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Oct 3, 2016 05:05
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Miruvor posted:Who votes 'no' to the end of a 50 year war? The most disappointing news I've seen in a good long while A combination of people who want military victory rather than peace, and people who (mistakenly) believe that voting 'no' is some kind of negotiating tactic to get a deal more to their liking.
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Oct 3, 2016 09:37
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HisMajestyBOB posted:Who the gently caress puts something as important as a peace accord up to popular vote? Santos was trying to make it binding on whoever came after him. Given his own unpopularity that could very well be someone opposed to peace. It makes sense in a way.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:26
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Pedro De Heredia posted:A combination of people who want military victory rather than peace, and people who (mistakenly) believe that voting 'no' is some kind of negotiating tactic to get a deal more to their liking. When voters become alienated from political leadership, voting against the government regardless of issue becomes itself a form of protest. How very Roman of you.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:31
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I saw a site headline crowing that the MBL (Movimento Brasil Livre) elected 7 city councilors and a mayor of a loving backhole in Minas. Who gives a poo poo about that?
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So, what were the terms of this peace? would the FARC leaders come out clean out of this after decades of committing murder, rape, drug dealing, kidnapping of kids and other awful poo poo? If that's the case, I could understand why some people would vote NO.
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El Chingon posted:So, what were the terms of this peace? would the FARC leaders come out clean out of this after decades of committing murder, rape, drug dealing, kidnapping of kids and other awful poo poo? If that's the case, I could understand why some people would vote NO. Everyone was committig murder, rape, drug running, kidnapping, and other awful poo poo for decades. Everyone was acknowledging their own fault, and nobody was going to be prosecuted if it meant an immediate end to the war. Voting "no" has more to do with the desire to continue profiting from indefinite guerilla warfare, and to keep rural interests completely disenfranchised from politics. Any claim of principle in the interests of justice is horseshit, and anybody who believes in it is a dumbass. https://twitter.com/KenRoth/status/783101463434256384 Human Rights Watch is garbage. Pener Kropoopkin fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Oct 4, 2016 |
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Oct 4, 2016 01:39
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Human Rights Watch is garbage. Indeed https://www.thenation.com/article/did-human-rights-watch-sabotage-colombias-peace-agreement/ quote:“No” won because the right wing, led by former President Álvaro Uribe, was able to turn a vote that was supposed to be on peace into a vote on the FARC. The geographic breakdown of the referendum indicates that “no” won in areas where Uribe and his political party have their support. Take a look especially at the department of Antioquia, where Uribe got his political start as a champion of paramilitary death squads. Sixty-two percent of Antioquia’s voters cast “no.” In the department’s capital, Medellín, a city that has been sold in the United States as a neoliberal success story—Modern! Urbane! Fun! Come visit!—63 percent of voters said “no” (for Medellín’s neoliberal “makeover,” see this essay by Forrest Hylton).
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Colombia: 220,000 dead since '58 - 12% murdered by FARC, 88% murdered by the paramilitaries and the government. 5.7 million refugees. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/25/colombia-conflict-death-toll-commission that is why comparing this to loving brexit is shameful. Voting against the peace is beyond belief.
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Oct 4, 2016 02:35
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The numbers kinda suggested that the "Yes" got hosed by a really really low voter turnout?
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Putting stuff like this up to a referendum is incredibly stupid. It undermines any possible criticism because DEMOCRACY, while also being a huge waste of resources. I mean, we elect representative governments for a reason, guys. Hope Colombia can move past this.
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SexyBlindfold posted:The numbers kinda suggested that the "Yes" got hosed by a really really low voter turnout? There was about a 20% of people who usually vote who didn't turn out for the referendum, so it may be this. However, given how ridiculous the campaign became it may not necessarily be significant
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Oct 4, 2016 11:37
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Pedro De Heredia posted:A combination of people who want military victory rather than peace, and people who (mistakenly) believe that voting 'no' is some kind of negotiating tactic to get a deal more to their liking. Actually that seems to be exactly what is happening.
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Juan Manuel Santos awarded Nobel Peace Prize.
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I really want to know if they made that decision this week or last.
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I saw that and lol'd in my office this morning. I mean the Nobel Peace Prize is already the laughing stock of the Nobel prizes, but it's almost like they're trying to turn it into a parody. I can only assume that Assad and Putin will share the Nobel Peace Prize a few years down the road once the fighting in Syria has completely burned out. E: Skimming through the list of laureates, drat. Half of these are actually great accomplishments, the other half are a tasteless mockery of the theoretical ideals of the mission. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Peace_Prize_laureates Saladman fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Oct 7, 2016 |
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Oct 7, 2016 13:43
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Badger of Basra posted:I really want to know if they made that decision this week or last. Norwegian dude 1: "Wait guys the deal has to be ratified by referendum!" Norwegian dude 2: "Come on man, they can't be that stupid." :CryingBolivar:
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Saladman posted:I saw that and lol'd in my office this morning. I mean the Nobel Peace Prize is already the laughing stock of the Nobel prizes, but it's almost like they're trying to turn it into a parody. I can only assume that Assad and Putin will share the Nobel Peace Prize a few years down the road once the fighting in Syria has completely burned out. putin was a strong candidate back when the chemical weapons deal in syria happened. this is especially funny because they didn't give it to timochenko
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Everyone was committig murder, rape, drug running, kidnapping, and other awful poo poo for decades. Everyone was acknowledging their own fault, and nobody was going to be prosecuted if it meant an immediate end to the war. Voting "no" has more to do with the desire to continue profiting from indefinite guerilla warfare, and to keep rural interests completely disenfranchised from politics. Any claim of principle in the interests of justice is horseshit, and anybody who believes in it is a dumbass. Chapo Trap House has an ep out on this and the weaponization of human rights in general https://m.soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-48-a-problem-from-heck-feat-chmadar-10916
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Oct 10, 2016 20:10
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In loving depressing news, congress in Brazil has approved a constitutional amendment that freezes public spending for the next 20 years and ties it to inflation. In a naked electoral maneuver, they made a concession that spending on education and healthcare will only be frozen after 2018, the next presidential election.
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Oct 11, 2016 02:30
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joepinetree posted:In loving depressing news, congress in Brazil ftfy I can't even be bothered anymore.
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Oct 11, 2016 02:40
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joepinetree posted:In loving depressing news, congress in Brazil has approved a constitutional amendment that freezes public spending for the next 20 years and ties it to inflation. Not only is this terrible public policy, but how are they going to hand out bribes now?
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Oct 11, 2016 02:45
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joepinetree posted:In loving depressing news, congress in Brazil has approved a constitutional amendment that freezes public spending for the next 20 years and ties it to inflation. In a naked electoral maneuver, they made a concession that spending on education and healthcare will only be frozen after 2018, the next presidential election.
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Badger of Basra posted:Not only is this terrible public policy, but how are they going to hand out bribes now? Infrastructure is not part of the PEC, I believe, and that's where you get the most graft, easily.
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Oct 11, 2016 02:49
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R. Mute posted:Haha, what? Really? Like an actual constitutional amendment? How many votes did that need? Yep, yep, it still has three more votes to go thru but it already got the necessary majority on Congress for the second one and Senate votes similarly.
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Oct 11, 2016 02:51
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Jesus Christ 366 vs 111 votes. RIP Brazil. Very RIP.
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Oct 11, 2016 03:01
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Who voted against besides the PT?
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Oct 11, 2016 03:03
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And obviously nobody's gonna bang on their pans because gently caress EVERY SINGLE ONE WHO LIVES IN THIS loving COUNTRY. We're too loving stupid. That's what we deserve and that's what we're getting. Parabéns, povo brasileiro.
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Brazilian constitutions are basically toilet paper, we had several and never has one been thoroughly applied. It's ridiculous because any loving thing can be a constitutional amendment, it's basically the same process for passing a law but a bit harder to pass and way harder to overturn than regular laws, that'd be a nice constitutional safeguard if you ignore the fact that about half of the brazilian congress will always vote for whomever pays most at the moment.
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