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Does anyone know what happened to the allegations about Melania being an illegal immigrant? Last I heard she was going to give a press conference about it and then the issue was just ... forgotten. You'd think with all these attacks on WJC that Melania would be considered fair game now. Edit: Thanks, Inferior Third Season. Must have missed that. AMorePerfctGoonion fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Oct 11, 2016 |
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AMorePerfctGoonion posted:Does anyone know what happened to the allegations about Melania being an illegal immigrant? Last I heard she was going to give a press conference about it and then the issue was just ... forgotten. You'd think with all these attacks on WJC that Melania would be considered fair game now.
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Is there any movement whatsoever within mainstream politics to end the electoral college and make POTUS elected by popular vote? Because it's plainly loving ridiculous that only a handful of states matter. And it doesn't look to me like it would benefit one party over the other (the way weekend voting would benefit the Democrats, say) so I don't see why there'd be a partisan deadlock about it.
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With all of the legal precedent regarding publishers of classified documents being basically immune to US prosecution, regardless of whether or not they're US citizens, it's extremely likely that Assange has nothing to worry about from the US government. People who leak secrets are the ones who get hosed, not the people who publish them
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freebooter posted:Is there any movement whatsoever within mainstream politics to end the electoral college and make POTUS elected by popular vote? Because it's plainly loving ridiculous that only a handful of states matter. And it doesn't look to me like it would benefit one party over the other (the way weekend voting would benefit the Democrats, say) so I don't see why there'd be a partisan deadlock about it. this sounds like AN ATTACK ON THE CONSTITUTION AND OUR FOUNDING FATHERS I don't think anyone in mainstream politics is really interested in that. You'd basically have to pass and ratify an amendment and good luck doing that in today's political climate
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Oct 11, 2016 11:31
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freebooter posted:Is there any movement whatsoever within mainstream politics to end the electoral college and make POTUS elected by popular vote? Because it's plainly loving ridiculous that only a handful of states matter. And it doesn't look to me like it would benefit one party over the other (the way weekend voting would benefit the Democrats, say) so I don't see why there'd be a partisan deadlock about it. It's outdated dumbness so uh yeah it ain't going nowhere.
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freebooter posted:Is there any movement whatsoever within mainstream politics to end the electoral college and make POTUS elected by popular vote? Because it's plainly loving ridiculous that only a handful of states matter. And it doesn't look to me like it would benefit one party over the other (the way weekend voting would benefit the Democrats, say) so I don't see why there'd be a partisan deadlock about it. There is an agreement among several states to pool their electoral votes together and assign them to the winner of the popular vote once enough states have signed on to guarantee at least 270 electoral votes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact It's a relatively recent initiative that is slowly gaining traction but who knows how long it will take or if it will ultimately be upheld by the SCOTUS.
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freebooter posted:Is there any movement whatsoever within mainstream politics to end the electoral college and make POTUS elected by popular vote? Because it's plainly loving ridiculous that only a handful of states matter. And it doesn't look to me like it would benefit one party over the other (the way weekend voting would benefit the Democrats, say) so I don't see why there'd be a partisan deadlock about it. Closest thing is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
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The most likely scenario at this point: - More damning Clinton speech transcripts and emails emerge. Clinton loses all her support among white voters, and women (recognizing that Trump is no saint but he'll give them the greatest economic independence) move back to Trump. - Biased MSM polling fails to reflect the growing Trump support, due to dated methodology that mostly ends up polling aging 60s counterculturites, and ignoring Trump's enormous base of pro-freedom, pro-gun, anti-globalist, anti-multiculti Millennials. - Clinton's globalist banker backers and Bavarian intellectual donors release more faked "Trump" videos and order the MSM to doctor Trump rally video to make massive crowd numbers (20,000-135,000 depending on venue) seem smaller, while digitally adding audience to Clinton quote-unquote "rallies." - Video emerges of Bill Clinton committing or confessing to a sex crime, with Hillary present and threatening the person taking video. - At this point, the MSM scrambles desperately to justify it, saying it can't be a sex crime because it was homosexual, and anything goes because of gay "culture." - Clinton supporters lie in public about their supposed "polling," but don't even bother to go vote. Those that try are turned away due to voter fraud. - Trump wins, and Hillary Clinton is sent to prison, while Bill must register as a sex offender.
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freebooter posted:Is there any movement whatsoever within mainstream politics to end the electoral college and make POTUS elected by popular vote? Because it's plainly loving ridiculous that only a handful of states matter. And it doesn't look to me like it would benefit one party over the other (the way weekend voting would benefit the Democrats, say) so I don't see why there'd be a partisan deadlock about it. Like, do you see anyone up in arms right now about superdelegates in the Democratic primary process? No, and you won't again for at least another four (probably eight) years, and even then only if it happens to be a close race. And that is something that can be changed by a small group of people just deciding to change it. Fixing the electoral college requires a constitutional amendment, and that's just not going to happen. If the 2000 election couldn't do it, nothing will.
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lozzle posted:There is an agreement among several states to pool their electoral votes together and assign them to the winner of the popular vote once enough states have signed on to guarantee at least 270 electoral votes. They would be all blue states, wouldn't they.
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Inferior Third Season posted:It's one of those things that people are really upset about at the moment it has an actual consequence, and then proceed to not give a gently caress about until the next time it comes up. To be honest the Republican primary has convinced me that superdelegates might be a good idea after all. Also the DNC recently voted to bind most superdelegates to the results of state primaries so...maybe not the best example.
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I love see /r/the_donald go through the stages of losing. trying to unskew the polls is where they are at now
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freebooter posted:They would be all blue states, wouldn't they. Seems like a lot are, at least. California going proportional would be pretty bad for Democrats in particular, it seems.
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Oct 11, 2016 11:49
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Inferior Third Season posted:It's one of those things that people are really upset about at the moment it has an actual consequence, and then proceed to not give a gently caress about until the next time it comes up. Coming from a Westminster country the fact that you have a primary process at all is great, I think. Whereas the presidential race seems like it should be a very straightforward popular vote and it baffles me that it's not and never was. The argument I always hear about it is that it makes sure smaller states and rural areas don't get drowned out, but, like - isn't that what every state getting two senators is for? And how is the current situation any better, where every other state gets drowned out by Ohio and Florida and Pennsylvania?
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im gay posted:I love see /r/the_donald go through the stages of losing. trying to unskew the polls is where they are at now Skewed/rigged polls are always my favorite election year idiocy. I'm glad the right still hasn't really caught on even after getting embarrassed in 2012. 
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I'm going to check out sex tape.
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freebooter posted:Coming from a Westminster country the fact that you have a primary process at all is great, I think.
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freebooter posted:And how is the current situation any better, where every other state gets drowned out by Ohio and Florida and Pennsylvania? That's my main complaint about the system - if you're voting against the grain in a staunch state it is very easy to feel like you don't have a voice at all. I'm from a staunch blue state, and while I was fine with it because I vote D it's easy for my parents and R friends to feel disaffected and bemoan the system every cycle. But I just moved to a battleground state that looks to be going blue, so :frogin:
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Few new national polls today: USC/LAT is now +2 Trump (down 1 from yesterday) The Times-Pycayune is +10 Clinton (was +8 before) Morning Consult post-debate is +5 Clinton (was +4 pre-debate) and gives debate win to Clinton 42-28 Google Consumer Surveys is weird, 39-33 Clinton but with 20% undecided
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FactsAreUseless posted:- Clinton's globalist banker backers and Bavarian intellectual donors release more faked "Trump" videos and order the MSM to doctor Trump rally video to make massive crowd numbers (20,000-135,000 depending on venue) seem smaller, while digitally adding audience to Clinton quote-unquote "rallies." (((Bavarian))) intellectual donors. It is not enough to unskew the polls, the polls should be uncucked.
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freebooter posted:Coming from a Westminster country the fact that you have a primary process at all is great, I think. That's basically right. The Constitution had to be ratified by the states, so naturally the smaller states demanded more power and influence over the federal government before they would sign on lest they get bullied around by the larger states. It's a theme that permeates our system of government. States get equal representation in the Senate, the electoral college gives smaller states a disproportionately large impact on the Presidential election, and the powers of the federal government are (theoretically) fairly limited. The Constitution replaced an even more state-friendly system of government under the Articles of Confederation, under which the central government was not even able to levy involuntary taxes, so the current system actually marks a significant improvement over our original idea. lozzle fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Oct 11, 2016 |
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fatherboxx posted:(((Bavarian))) intellectual donors.
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Gimme dem PPP state polls. There has to be some soon right?
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Roland Jones posted:Seems like a lot are, at least. California going proportional would be pretty bad for Democrats in particular, it seems. Under the compact we would have had a President Gore so I'm not sure I agree. 
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im gay posted:I love see /r/the_donald go through the stages of losing. trying to unskew the polls is where they are at now I wouldn't. We are talking about a group of self-radicalized white supremacists. They will not go quietly.
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Geostomp posted:I wouldn't. We are talking about a group of self-radicalized white supremacists. They will not go quietly. r/the_donald is mostly teenage edgelords who aren't even eligible to vote.
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greatn posted:Gimme dem PPP state polls. There has to be some soon right? They've usually only been polling a few states a week. I wish there were tons of polls a day like there were in past years, I need my fix badly.
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The actual subset of right wingers willing to go all terrorist is very, very small. They mostly talk tough and make gun manufacturer profits soar.
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Islam is the Lite Rock FM posted:The actual subset of right wingers willing to go all terrorist is very, very small. They mostly talk tough and make gun manufacturer profits soar.
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Another double digit poll, 49-38 Clinton, this time from The Atlantic/PRRI. I don't see them on 538 so dunno how reliable.
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Basically I pity the fools who do not sell their soul and invest heavily in arms manufacturers 2 days before the election.
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I suspect Chomskyan takes the same attitude my dad does to this, which is 1) Assange can't give in because as soon as he gets to Sweden without a guarantee there's no way anyone can prevent him getting Gitmo'd and 2) Of course Swedish officials can guarantee things, the law doesn't prevent politicians doing anything if they want to.
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canepazzo posted:Another double digit poll, 49-38 Clinton, this time from The Atlantic/PRRI. I don't see them on 538 so dunno how reliable.  Odd that it's not on 538 but according to their site: quote:All PRRI public opinion research is based on probability sampling to ensure that results are broadly representative of the population of interest. All PRRI studies include bilingual (English and Spanish) interviewing. Telephone studies are conducted by professional interviewers and include a high proportion of cell phone interviewing. PRRI provides public access to the raw data files of its surveys after an embargo period of one year. If this is all true then it sounds legit. Wikipedia says they are a member of NCPP/AAPOR as well. lozzle fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Oct 11, 2016 |
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FactsAreUseless posted:Haha, I was hoping someone would catch that. I figured "Bavarian intellectual" isn't too much of a deep cut. The (((Bavarian Illuminati)))   
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Minimalist Program posted:Basically I pity the fools who do not sell their soul and invest heavily in arms manufacturers 2 days before the election. I don't think Satan would mind.
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Minimalist Program posted:Basically I pity the fools who do not sell their soul and invest heavily in arms manufacturers 2 days before the election. Seriously. Obama has been very good for the gun industry as a sales driver, and Clinton would likely be more of the same "der comin' to git our guns!" 
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canepazzo posted:Another double digit poll, 49-38 Clinton, this time from The Atlantic/PRRI. I don't see them on 538 so dunno how reliable. The same poll - presumably using unchanged methodology - had C+6 post first debate/pre Igrab-Cuntra. 5 point shift seems in line with other polls.
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