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Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011

lozzle posted:

Weren't you just going on about how lawyers are "infinitely more credible than random posters on somethingawful dot com," such as yourself?

It is not my opinion, it is the opinion of the international human rights lawyers who work for Amnesty

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rscott
Dec 10, 2009

FactsAreUseless posted:

The most likely scenario at this point:

- More damning Clinton speech transcripts and emails emerge. Clinton loses all her support among white voters, and women (recognizing that Trump is no saint but he'll give them the greatest economic independence) move back to Trump.

- Biased MSM polling fails to reflect the growing Trump support, due to dated methodology that mostly ends up polling aging 60s counterculturites, and ignoring Trump's enormous base of pro-freedom, pro-gun, anti-globalist, anti-multiculti Millennials.

- Clinton's globalist banker backers and Bavarian intellectual donors release more faked "Trump" videos and order the MSM to doctor Trump rally video to make massive crowd numbers (20,000-135,000 depending on venue) seem smaller, while digitally adding audience to Clinton quote-unquote "rallies."

- Video emerges of Bill Clinton committing or confessing to a sex crime, with Hillary present and threatening the person taking video.

- At this point, the MSM scrambles desperately to justify it, saying it can't be a sex crime because it was homosexual, and anything goes because of gay "culture."

- Clinton supporters lie in public about their supposed "polling," but don't even bother to go vote. Those that try are turned away due to voter fraud.

- Trump wins, and Hillary Clinton is sent to prison, while Bill must register as a sex offender.

Source your quotes

Queering Wheel
Jun 18, 2011


I hope that more polls are done in red states that Clinton could potentially take. We know that she has more than enough states to solidly put her past 270. The victor has all but been decided, so now I want to see how far she could possibly go after what's happened.

canepazzo
May 29, 2006



rscott posted:

Source your quotes

Facts are useless.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Let's draw attention to the fact that Republicans hate you. Good strat.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/785806702641807360

Assepoester
Jul 18, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Melman v2
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/300312-cruz-im-still-backing-trump
https://twitter.com/DraperRobert/status/785643136559132673
https://twitter.com/mattkatz00/status/785800580572774402
https://twitter.com/EricBoehlert/status/785803952935665664
https://twitter.com/DavidMDrucker/status/785797139834114048
https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/785797778089897984
https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/785802958038368256




Minimalist Program posted:

Why is every poster with the word "Chomsky" in their poster name so bad (said forums poster "Minimalist Program")
Noam Chomsky fans are bad

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Queering Wheel posted:

I hope that more polls are done in red states that Clinton could potentially take. We know that she has more than enough states to solidly put her past 270. The victor has all but been decided, so now I want to see how far she could possibly go after what's happened.

It was reported yesterday the Clinton campaign is throwing some red state polls out there to identify potential grabs.

canepazzo
May 29, 2006



Diva Cupcake posted:

Let's draw attention to the fact that Republicans hate you. Good strat.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/785806702641807360

We need a giant :getin: emote forever expanding.

Assepoester
Jul 18, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Melman v2
The Vindication of Prester Jane by the Reporter Olivia Nuzzi

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/11/former-donald-trump-executive-he-s-a-supreme-sexist.html

In the early days, Res said, Trump was the kind of guy who respected people who talked back, like she did. But then something changed. “I learned very quickly when I went back that you don’t talk back to him anymore,” she said. “If I had to tell him something, an idea of his was stupid or I didn’t want to do it, I would try to figure out a way to make him think that he had changed his mind, or that my idea was his idea, and I used to tell him how great he was and how great Ivana was all the time.”

Res explained that as Trump’s fame grew, his ability to withstand criticism—or even honesty—shrank. “He got too famous. He started believing his own poo poo,” she said. “He got way too famous and, you know, people were telling him he was great and he was buying that. He started thinking that he walked on water, he really did.”
...
“Now,” she said, “I don’t think he respects anybody. I don’t think there’s a person alive that he respects, because he thinks he’s God.”

lozzle
Oct 22, 2012

by zen death robot

Chomskyan posted:

It is not my opinion, it is the opinion of the international human rights lawyers who work for Amnesty

My lawyers can beat up your lawyers!

No but seriously if you think Swedish prosecutors don't know what is or is not within their power then I don't know what to tell you.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Everything we know about Trump definitely shows that once he got more famous and saw himself as more and more powerful, his respect and valuation of people other than him dropped off the face of the earth.

Another fascinating aspect I realized listening to the Trumpcast on the Pussyghazi tape was that Trump doesn't sound like a sex pervert in the usual sense, but he sounds like someone who is desperately trying to show to other men how big of a stud he is. His bragging about conquests is more about using sex in a political or influential way and projecting an image of himself to other men. It doesn't mean he's just talk, but his motivation in grabbing women by the pussy might be driven more by a need to prove himself to other men rather than receiving sexual pleasure or dominating women (when the feeling of power is the usual motivation for rapists and abusers, so instead of feeling powerful by abusing, he abuses because it's something powerful men do).

He's just such a messed up person and making him the most powerful person on the planet is so incredibly dangerous.

canepazzo
May 29, 2006



Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression

Acceptance

https://twitter.com/KimberlyRailey/status/785809950232555520

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx
Raul Labrador ran that very same campaign but in 10'.

Roland Jones
Aug 18, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

Someone send that Trump's way. Let him see how the GOP is reacting.

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011

lozzle posted:

My lawyers can beat up your lawyers!

No but seriously if you think Swedish prosecutors don't know what is or is not within their power then I don't know what to tell you.

Probably they do, but also know that offering assurances would mean publically aknowledging the US's habit of torturing political prisoners. Which would be bad for relations with the US. Not terribly shocking that Sweden is willing to bend the truth in those circumstances

Kekekela
Oct 28, 2004

freebooter posted:

The argument I always hear about it is that it makes sure smaller states and rural areas don't get drowned out

I always thought it was to protect us from poo poo like Alabama reporting 100% of the votes going to the Republican candidate.

MrNemo
Aug 26, 2010

"I just love beeting off"

Antti posted:

Everything we know about Trump definitely shows that once he got more famous and saw himself as more and more powerful, his respect and valuation of people other than him dropped off the face of the earth.

Another fascinating aspect I realized listening to the Trumpcast on the Pussyghazi tape was that Trump doesn't sound like a sex pervert in the usual sense, but he sounds like someone who is desperately trying to show to other men how big of a stud he is. His bragging about conquests is more about using sex in a political or influential way and projecting an image of himself to other men. It doesn't mean he's just talk, but his motivation in grabbing women by the pussy might be driven more by a need to prove himself to other men rather than receiving sexual pleasure or dominating women (when the feeling of power is the usual motivation for rapists and abusers, so instead of feeling powerful by abusing, he abuses because it's something powerful men do).

He's just such a messed up person and making him the most powerful person on the planet is so incredibly dangerous.

Rape and sexual assault, more often than not, isn't about sex it's about power. Whether that's specifically showing you have power over women or a means of showing you have the power to do poo poo like this to people and get away with it, that's motivation. If he just wanted sex he'd bang his wife or hire a call girl. Calling some young lady into his office and starting to kiss her is his way of proving to himself that he's famous and powerful enough that he can do this. And if he stops to think about it, he'll feel she must have wanted it (more proof that he's famous and powerful) otherwise he would have put up more of a fight.

Bragging about it afterwards is just more proof that he's powerful enough to get away with it.

AMorePerfctGoonion
Aug 11, 2016

by exmarx
All these email leaks make me wonder why it isn't SOP for political operatives - or anyone emailing sensitive information - to use public key encryption. I'm constantly showing friends/family how easy it is, but remembering a passphrase is beyond some people I guess.

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Kekekela posted:

I always thought it was to protect us from poo poo like Alabama reporting 100% of the votes going to the Republican candidate.

instead it cedes hugely dispropotionate influence to some retard swing voters in Iowa and Ohio.

well, in a normal election. this time around possibly every state in the Union is a swing state

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

Minimalist Program posted:

Why is every poster with the word "Chomsky" in their poster name so bad (said forums poster "Minimalist Program")

They're just mirroring their idol, Noam "Pol Pot did nothing wrong" Chomsky.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

The bicameral system was a compromise between larger states like Virginia and smaller ones like New Hampshire when the delegations were drawing up the Constitution. It's absolutely a way to balance the population differences by lending populous states a substantial voice via the house but having the Senate have to also pass the legislation for it to go to the President for signing.

illcendiary
Dec 4, 2005

Damn, this is good coffee.

AMorePerfctGoonion posted:

All these email leaks make me wonder why it isn't SOP for political operatives - or anyone emailing sensitive information - to use public key encryption. I'm constantly showing friends/family how easy it is, but remembering a passphrase is beyond some people I guess.

A lot of people I know using password reset functions anytime they sign into anything (save immediately critical stuff like email which probably has a dead-easy password) so this doesn't surprise me.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

2spooky4me posted:

They're just mirroring their idol, Noam "Pol Pot did nothing wrong" Chomsky.

yeah that also never happened

Mavric
Dec 14, 2006

I said "this is going to be the most significant televisual event since Quantum Leap." And I do not say that lightly.

2spooky4me posted:

They're just mirroring their idol, Noam "Pol Pot did nothing wrong" Chomsky.

Is this a thing?

lozzle
Oct 22, 2012

by zen death robot

botany posted:

yeah that also never happened

Mavric posted:

Is this a thing?

wikipedia posted:

Linguist Noam Chomsky and scholar Edward S. Herman were among the academics who examined the conflicting reports of the situation in Cambodia in 1977. On June 6, 1977, Chomsky and Herman published an article in The Nation which contrasted the views expressed in books by Barron and Paul, Ponchaud, and Porter and Hildebrand, and in articles and accounts by Butterfield, Bragg, Kahin, Cazaux, Shanberg, Tolgraven and others. Chomsky and Herman noted the conflicting information in the various accounts, and suggested that after the "failure of the American effort to subdue South Vietnam and to crush the mass movements elsewhere in Indochina" that there was now "a campaign to reconstruct the history of these years so as to place the role of the United States in a more favorable light". This rewriting of history by the establishment press was served well by "tales of Communist atrocities, which not only prove the evils of communism but undermine the credibility of those who opposed the war and might interfere with future crusades for freedom." They wrote that the refugee stories of Khmer Rouge atrocities should be treated with great "care and caution" because "refugees are frightened and defenseless, at the mercy of alien forces. They naturally tend to report what they believe their interlocuters wish to hear."

[...]

Chomsky and Herman dismissed reports by the "mass media" of extensive Khmer Rouge atrocities and instead cited "analyses by highly qualified specialists...who have concluded that executions [by the Khmer Rouge] have numbered at most in the thousands." They cited the "extreme unreliability of refugee reports."

lozzle fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Oct 11, 2016

Minimalist Program
Aug 14, 2010

botany posted:

yeah that also never happened

Woah, look at this guy who wants to kiss and marry Noam Chomsky.

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

WeAreTheRomans posted:

instead it cedes hugely dispropotionate influence to some retard swing voters in Iowa and Ohio.

well, in a normal election. this time around possibly every state in the Union is a swing state

Except the ones that generally go blue these days. They're not swinging.

canepazzo
May 29, 2006



Reposting Trump's tweet as he deleted the previous one with the typo:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/785816454042124288

quote:

Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

2spooky4me posted:

They're just mirroring their idol, Noam "Pol Pot did nothing wrong" Chomsky.

Yeah, congrats on showing your ability to reproduce bullshit undigested. FWIW this is, and always was, a pretty transparent attempt to character assassinate an academic for questioning American foreign policy

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-01/brull---the-boring-truth-about-chomsky/2779086

EAT FASTER!!!!!!
Sep 21, 2002

Legendary.


:hampants::hampants::hampants:
Yugely, bigly damning indictment of the Trump campaign:

http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635

MattD1zzl3
Oct 26, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 4 years!
Sorry if its been gone over 100 times already but i have one honest pussygate question: why is billy bush in deep poo poo over it?

His crimes seem to be laughing nervously and saying (a soap opera actress) ... "is loving hot"!. Which is actual, unproblematic locker room talk.

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

WeAreTheRomans posted:

Yeah, congrats on showing your ability to reproduce bullshit undigested. FWIW this is, and always was, a pretty transparent attempt to character assassinate an academic for questioning American foreign policy

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-01/brull---the-boring-truth-about-chomsky/2779086

So what you guys are saying is that context and knowing the facts matter?

Maybe folks should apply that level of scrutiny to their own posting :ssh:

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

that was commentary on the portrayal of US action in US media, as was the '79 book that is commonly (mis)quoted when people are trying to make chomsky out to be a khmer rouge apologist. that whole book by the way was about the way that US media condemned pol pot's massacres while at the same time being complicit in the massacres in east timor. the whole argument of the book depends on chomsky acknowledging the massacres of the khmer rouge.

Minimalist Program posted:

Woah, look at this guy who wants to kiss and marry Noam Chomsky.

i actually don't like chomsky very much, i just think it's ridiculous that people are attempting to claim he said literally the exact opposite of what he's been writing about for years.

lozzle
Oct 22, 2012

by zen death robot

This was posted earlier after Eichenwald puffed up this piece on twitter and the consensus was that it wasn't a big deal.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

MattD1zzl3 posted:

Sorry if its been gone over 100 times already but i have one honest pussygate question: why is billy bush in deep poo poo over it?

His crimes seem to be laughing nervously and saying (a soap opera actress) ... "is loving hot"!. Which is actual, unproblematic locker room talk.

He's been a lecherous gross weirdo for a while and this was probably a breaking point for a lot of people in his world as well.

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011

Mavric posted:

Is this a thing?

No, Chomsky never said "Pol Pot did nothing wrong" or anything resembling that. He and a fellow academic Edward Herman called into question the validity of certain casualty figures coming out of Cambodia during the genocide. They thought that the numbers were inflated and that the Western press was ignoring alternative figures that were lower and might be more accurate. Long story short, the numbers weren't inflated, Chomsky hasn't denied the scale of killings since. However, for desperate reactionary asshats who want to discredit Chomsky it's the only card they have so they'll play it until the end of time.

Kekekela
Oct 28, 2004

MattD1zzl3 posted:

Sorry if its been gone over 100 times already but i have one honest pussygate question: why is billy bush in deep poo poo over it?


I think its the hug-pimping. Its just so creepy given the context of the preceding conversation.

MattD1zzl3
Oct 26, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 4 years!

FAUXTON posted:

He's been a lecherous gross weirdo for a while and this was probably a breaking point for a lot of people in his world as well.



Oh i see, thanks. I dont watch the third hour (or any hour) of the today show so i didnt know anything about the guy before this week. I thought NBC just wanted to claim a white male scalp they had power over. Got any examples of B.Bush being a creepo? Im sure somebody has made a list.

meristem
Oct 2, 2010
I HAVE THE ETIQUETTE OF STIFF AND THE PERSONALITY OF A GIANT CUNT.

MattD1zzl3 posted:

His crimes seem to be laughing nervously and saying (a soap opera actress) ... "is loving hot"!. Which is actual, unproblematic locker room talk.
Because he sat on hot material but didn't tell the parent network about it. Someone else had to dig it out.

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GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

MattD1zzl3 posted:

Sorry if its been gone over 100 times already but i have one honest pussygate question: why is billy bush in deep poo poo over it?

His crimes seem to be laughing nervously and saying (a soap opera actress) ... "is loving hot"!. Which is actual, unproblematic locker room talk.

Grab them by the pussy: the Billy Bush Doctrine

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