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Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

LochNessMonster posted:

Don't be to eager though, it might hurt your negotiation position.

When losing 40% of their team has such an impact I'd make hiring great new employees my very first priority. Not making time for that just sounds stupid.
Depends on the nature of the job. No point hiring for a company that's hemorrhaging customers and revenue because the lights won't stay on.

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creatine
Jan 27, 2012




I should have mentioned it's an academic research lab (molecular biology)

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Vulture Culture posted:

Depends on the nature of the job. No point hiring for a company that's hemorrhaging customers and revenue because the lights won't stay on.

If that's the case, why would they bother interviewing people?

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

LochNessMonster posted:

If that's the case, why would they bother interviewing people?
Not sure how this got lost in translation, but they interview people during whatever part of the week they aren't tied down fighting fires.

This seems to probably not be the case here though, so who knows.

Philip Rivers
Mar 15, 2010

Your interviewer making a joke about starting tomorrow is a good sign, right?

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



Philip Rivers posted:

Your interviewer making a joke about starting tomorrow is a good sign, right?

I'd use that to negotiate hard as gently caress

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting
OK so I have it confirmed that I did well on my 3rd interview. Next step I'll be flying out to their office or taking another phone call with the person I did the first interview with. Is there anything I should be thinking about that they'd ask in a final interview but not the first 3?

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

So I've had a phone interview that went really well - they're going to bring me back in for an in-person interview But I'm worried what will happen if word gets back to my current boss that I'm looking for other positions - he's rather insecure and would see it as disloyal (he's one of the reasons I want a new job). Should I bring this up with the new company, or wait for them to ask if it's ok to contact him?

Related - references. I have some really good ones I know would vouch for me, but they all know my boss. I *think* most of the ones I have in mind wouldn't tell my boss if I asked them not to, but it's still in the back of my mind. Should I have the references ready with me at the next interview in case they ask? Or, if they ask, tell them I'll send them the references later?

I keep turning these possibilities over in my mind. I really, really want this job, but I don't want to torpedo my current job if I don't get it.

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

signalnoise posted:

OK so I have it confirmed that I did well on my 3rd interview. Next step I'll be flying out to their office or taking another phone call with the person I did the first interview with. Is there anything I should be thinking about that they'd ask in a final interview but not the first 3?
They're not going to waste their time on technical questions they could have asked over the phone. Expect a lot of culture-fit stuff (people getting gut feelings on whether they could work with you) and some whiteboarding.

Han Yolo
Feb 14, 2012
So I got a job offer but the offer letter only mentions it as being a temporary position. I spoke with the person hiring me and he told me that they can't offer me a permanent position without first passing a background check but that the job will turn permanent within 90 days or less. Would it be unreasonable for me to ask them to revise to the offer letter to say that the position is temp to perm? It'd be a lot smarter to get all of that in writing, right?

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

Han Yolo posted:

So I got a job offer but the offer letter only mentions it as being a temporary position. I spoke with the person hiring me and he told me that they can't offer me a permanent position without first passing a background check but that the job will turn permanent within 90 days or less. Would it be unreasonable for me to ask them to revise to the offer letter to say that the position is temp to perm? It'd be a lot smarter to get all of that in writing, right?
It depends on whether you're in an at-will employment state in the first place, but it's generally good advice to not sign paperwork for a job that's not the one you've been told you're getting

Han Yolo
Feb 14, 2012
I'm in California and the offer letter states that it is an at will employment. Does it even matter if I ask them to make it say "temp to perm" instead of just "temp?"

Erwin
Feb 17, 2006

Rotten Red Rod posted:

So I've had a phone interview that went really well - they're going to bring me back in for an in-person interview But I'm worried what will happen if word gets back to my current boss that I'm looking for other positions - he's rather insecure and would see it as disloyal (he's one of the reasons I want a new job). Should I bring this up with the new company, or wait for them to ask if it's ok to contact him?

Related - references. I have some really good ones I know would vouch for me, but they all know my boss. I *think* most of the ones I have in mind wouldn't tell my boss if I asked them not to, but it's still in the back of my mind. Should I have the references ready with me at the next interview in case they ask? Or, if they ask, tell them I'll send them the references later?

I keep turning these possibilities over in my mind. I really, really want this job, but I don't want to torpedo my current job if I don't get it.

This is a problem lots of people have, so your prospective employer should have thought about it. Most companies won't contact your current employer until very close to the end of the process, possibly even after they give you an offer letter. Even then they'll just talk to HR to confirm that you work there. You can explicitly ask that they don't contact them just yet, and they won't be surprised by the request.

As for references, you can just tell the new company you'll send them along. Since you should be talking to your references before giving their info out anyway, perhaps you can have a heart to heart with them about the situation. There's really no way to completely eliminate the possibility that your boss will find out you're looking, so it's not worth worrying about too much. He's why you're leaving, so you don't want him to be the reason you get stuck there because you're afraid he'll find out.

GAYS FOR DAYS
Dec 22, 2005

by exmarx
I've had a weird work history the last year or so, and I'm not really sure how to put it onto a resume, and some input would be appreciated.

From 2008 to October 2015, I worked at Company A as a training coordinator. When I left, they told me I could stay on as an hourly employee and come in whenever I wanted to help the person replacing me and look over his work, so I never ended my employment with them.

That month I started at Company B as a quality systems specialist. I was there from October 2015 to April 2016 when I decided that while I loved the job and the people I worked with, I felt the outlook of the company was pretty dire and jumped ship.

I returned to Company A, this time as a quality assurance coordinator because my old position had obviously been filled. At this point I had still been an employee because I had never officially left, just went down to very part time to help the guy who replaced me when he had questions or needed help (or when I just felt like clocking in and shooting the poo poo with old coworkers). I was still officially a training coordinator at that time.

In a few months, I will be going back to training coordinator at Company A. We're opening a new location in the same city and whole new management staff is needed there, and I mentioned how I liked being training coordinator more that quality assurance coordinator, so they told me I could be that at the new center which will be opening sometime in early 2017.

So to recap:
Training coordinator at Company A 2008 - April 2016
Quality systems specialist at Company B October 2015 to April 2016
Quality assurance coordinator at Company A April 2016 to sometime in early 2017
Training coordinator at Company A early 2017 forward.

How would I explain that on a resume with out it being all confusing?

Obviously if I were to start looking for a new job now I would include the future training coordinator position

GAYS FOR DAYS fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Oct 6, 2016

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

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GAYS FOR DAYS posted:

I've had a weird work history the last year or so, and I'm not really sure how to put it onto a resume, and some input would be appreciated.

From 2008 to October 2015, I worked at Company A as a training coordinator. When I left, they told me I could stay on as an hourly employee and come in whenever I wanted to help the person replacing me and look over his work, so I never ended my employment with them.

That month I started at Company B as a quality systems specialist. I was there from October 2015 to April 2016 when I decided that while I loved the job and the people I worked with, I felt the outlook of the company was pretty dire and jumped ship.

I returned to Company A, this time as a quality assurance coordinator because my old position had obviously been filled. At this point I had still been an employee because I had never officially left, just went down to very part time to help the guy who replaced me when he had questions or needed help (or when I just felt like clocking in and shooting the poo poo with old coworkers). I was still officially a training coordinator at that time.

In a few months, I will be going back to training coordinator atCompany A. We're opening a new location in the same city and whole new management staff is needed there, and I mentioned how I liked being training coordinator more that quality assurance coordinator, so they told me I could be that at the new center which will be opening sometime in early 2017.

So to recap:
Training coordinator at Company A 2008 - April 2016
Quality systems specialist at Company B October 2015 to April 2016
Quality assurance coordinator at Company A April 2016 to sometime in early 2017
Training coordinator at Company B early 2017 forward.

How would I explain that on a resume with out it being all confusing?

Obviously if I were to start looking for a new job now I would include the future training coordinator position

Is your recap mistyped then? Should it actually be this?
Training coordinator at Company A 2008 - April 2016
Quality systems specialist at Company B October 2015 to April 2016
Quality assurance coordinator at Company A April 2016 to sometime in early 2017
Training coordinator at Company A early 2017 forward.

If so I'd stack my resume as such:
Company A 2008 - 2017
Training coordinator 2008 - April 2016
Quality assurance coordinator April 2016 - early 2017

Company B October 2015 - April 2016
Quality systems specialist

Also did you do the same thing for 8 years with no advancement? Make sure to work in whatever advancement, successes, etc. you had. You can explain whatever in the interview. The resume is a very brief over view of how awesome you are. I wouldn't try to explain much.

GAYS FOR DAYS
Dec 22, 2005

by exmarx
Yes, that is a typo.

I actually started being training coordinator in 2010, and was a lowly production employee before that. My current resume hast that specified and I would obviously keep it, I just left it out of the post for simplicity. There hasn't been advancement since that (only thing above QAC or TC [which are at the same level on the org chart] at the company would be corporate positions in Memphis or which include a lot of traveling which I'm not interested in), but there have been other successes which I have on my current resume which I would keep on there.

edit: and thank you for your idea.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

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GAYS FOR DAYS posted:

Yes, that is a typo.

I actually started being training coordinator in 2010, and was a lowly production employee before that. My current resume hast that specified and I would obviously keep it, I just left it out of the post for simplicity. There hasn't been advancement since that (only thing above QAC or TC [which are at the same level on the org chart] at the company would be corporate positions in Memphis or which include a lot of traveling which I'm not interested in), but there have been other successes which I have on my current resume which I would keep on there.

edit: and thank you for your idea.

Oh thats good then!

Same idea:
Company A 2008-2017
Title 3
Current achievements

Title 2
Successes that lead to more responsibilities (Even if its kinda BS cause you left)

Title 1
Successes that lead to more responsibilities

Company B: 2015-1016
Title 1

ryanbruce
May 1, 2002

The "Dell Dude"

CarForumPoster posted:

Title 1
Successes that lead to more responsibilities

Company B: 2015-1016
Title 1

The time travel bit at the end night be a tad confusing

Business Octopus
Jun 27, 2005

Me IRL
I interviewed for a job last friday and they said that they wanted to make a final decision in two weeks. Of note is that the hiring manager (actually just the boss I suppose because this is a company of about 15) specifically said that they'd ask for references over email. I'm thinking of doing the one week follow-up after the weekend. So far being fairly aggressive in applying for this job has worked - I can't say for sure whether or not it put me over the edge, but directly emailing the CEO after applying through a portal resulted in him replying and giving me the initial phone screener. In my follow-up, should I include references or not? I feel that including them seems pro-active, but could it be too presumptuous?

molotoveverything
Oct 18, 2010
I was in an interview last week for a job I really want, but I didn't ask any questions regarding the job itself during the interview when they asked me I had any questions. I just smiled and mentioned that the job duties sounded very "familiar" to me. The interviewers didn't tell me when they would follow-up or how they would reach me on their decision, I forgot to ask them myself by the end of the interview as well.

I'm kicking myself in the head, did I completely fail the interview? I can only take comfort that they complimented me on a few of my responses and I asked questions during other parts of the interview. I feel bummed out because I known I would have done better if I didn't happen to have a terrible ear-infection just days before the interview to throw me off.

molotoveverything fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Oct 10, 2016

ryanbruce
May 1, 2002

The "Dell Dude"
I get the feeling that not asking questions about the job shows disinterest or lack of research.

Unfortunately for me, by the time I apply to a position I have researched the everloving hell out of it and know pretty much everything there is to be known. I think my saying as such comes off as either cocky or disinterested.

As a result, I have an interview coming up in a few days that I'm going to ask a ton of questions about even though I know the answers.

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



I would not hire you if you didn't take the opportunity to ask questions. There is always something else you want to know for the position, or the company, or your predesessor. People forget that a job interview is a two way process. Yea you're getting interviewed, but to some extent the interviewer is as well. Especially questions that showed you have done your research.

"Well I saw on your website that you did this, how does that impact this position?"

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

I've been corresponding with hiring managers at small firms to coordinate interviews and such. Sometimes they send me these pretty long emails about what the interviews will be about; they're clearly written with thought and not just some form they send everybody.

But my problem is my responses never need to be very long. They usually go: "Thanks for the prompt update. I'll be emailing X to set up a time for the interview. Best, Y."

To me they sound curt and almost rude. Any idea how to avoid sending these kinds of vibe? Or is short okay?

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
Short is fine. Don't waste my time confirming.

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Short is fine. Don't waste my time confirming.
Thanks, I went with a short email.

Another question. I got an offer from Firm A. Told Firm B about it, they say they won't have a decision by A's deadline. But I like B more, so I politely declined A, citing the need to fully consider my options.

A rings me up and now says they're extending the deadline by three days. Should I tell B about this? I would hate to feel like I'm putting undue pressure on them, especially since I already told them about the first deadline.

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



Vegetable posted:

Thanks, I went with a short email.

Another question. I got an offer from Firm A. Told Firm B about it, they say they won't have a decision by A's deadline. But I like B more, so I politely declined A, citing the need to fully consider my options.

A rings me up and now says they're extending the deadline by three days. Should I tell B about this? I would hate to feel like I'm putting undue pressure on them, especially since I already told them about the first deadline.

Until you sign paperwork, you're under no obligation to either company. Do what's best for you and your outcome. It's not personal, it's business. I would not however, try to force the hand of another company. You have to decide if it's worth the risk or not because if I were in the hiring position of company B i'd find another applicant that wasn't trying to leverage a decision, because I work on my timeline not theirs. I'm not calling you a dick by any means because a the end of the day you're trying to get the best package possible, but that would be my perspective on it if i was him.

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting
What the gently caress kind of interviewing takes 6 hours? I am scheduled for 9am-3pm at this place I MIGHT JUST GET A JOB AT next Tuesday. What am I in for here?

asur
Dec 28, 2012

signalnoise posted:

What the gently caress kind of interviewing takes 6 hours? I am scheduled for 9am-3pm at this place I MIGHT JUST GET A JOB AT next Tuesday. What am I in for here?

Isn't six hours normal? That's five interviews and lunch.

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting

asur posted:

Isn't six hours normal? That's five interviews and lunch.

Maybe I've just never interviewed for a big boy job yet. I've already done 4 interviews though, 1 in person 3 over the phone.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

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signalnoise posted:

What the gently caress kind of interviewing takes 6 hours? I am scheduled for 9am-3pm at this place I MIGHT JUST GET A JOB AT next Tuesday. What am I in for here?

I interviewed at a very large tech company and the series of interviews ran 8-4.

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.
My hot take is that overlong interview cycles are a clear indication that the hiring company either doesn't know what they're looking for or doesn't value people's time.

Philip Rivers
Mar 15, 2010

Day long flyout interviews are a common thing with top tech companies. Whether or not that's a good practice is debatable, but it's probably not for a lack of knowing what to look for.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Philip Rivers posted:

Day long flyout interviews are a common thing with top tech companies. Whether or not that's a good practice is debatable, but it's probably not for a lack of knowing what to look for.

This.

neogeo0823
Jul 4, 2007

NO THAT'S NOT ME!!

I had a really promising interview today, and I'd like to send a thank you email. Can anyone point me towards a good template for writing one up, or possibly give me some guidelines? I've never writtin a thank you follow up email before.

Bluedeanie
Jul 20, 2008

It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?



If you ask an interviewer to send you more literature on their benefits package than the barebones information they offer, and what she sends you doesn't include actual values like how much their insurance premiums and deductibles are, is it OK to explicitly ask for them? They're kind of important for me when considering if I'd want to work for them, since the range they're talking about starting negotiations at is below where I'm looking.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

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Bluedeanie posted:

If you ask an interviewer to send you more literature on their benefits package than the barebones information they offer, and what she sends you doesn't include actual values like how much their insurance premiums and deductibles are, is it OK to explicitly ask for them? They're kind of important for me when considering if I'd want to work for them, since the range they're talking about starting negotiations at is below where I'm looking.

If you can get on the phone I think this is especially okay. If their offer is low why not just counter for more salary, however much you ask for should offset some premiums pretty handily.

Cockblocktopus
Apr 18, 2009

Since the beginning of time, man has yearned to destroy the sun.


neogeo0823 posted:

I had a really promising interview today, and I'd like to send a thank you email. Can anyone point me towards a good template for writing one up, or possibly give me some guidelines? I've never writtin a thank you follow up email before.

I like short and sweet: "Thanks for meeting with me. Here's something that was good about me/the interview that I want to remind you of. Here's something I didn't bring up that I should've brought up. Please let me know if I can provide any additional information and assistance in facilitating the hiring process." It's a good opportunity to make up for a question that you flubbed or to bring up a project or skill that you either haven't mentioned or couldn't work into to the interview process, but it's mostly just a formality that shows that you can follow up on things.

Bluedeanie posted:

If you ask an interviewer to send you more literature on their benefits package than the barebones information they offer, and what she sends you doesn't include actual values like how much their insurance premiums and deductibles are, is it OK to explicitly ask for them? They're kind of important for me when considering if I'd want to work for them, since the range they're talking about starting negotiations at is below where I'm looking.

In general if it's something that's important for you when considering if you'd want to work for them (insurance, vacation, retirement, parking, work from home, flexible hours, work/life balance, etc.) then you should absolutely pursue as much information as you can get. A $5k pay bump won't get you anywhere if your health insurance goes up by $500 a month.

Ciprian Maricon
Feb 27, 2006



My resume is really bad, but that's because I have no real skills. Should I lie? What kind of bullshit could I get away with here? I've been grinding out a meager wage as a freelance interpreter since I graduated from college over a year ago while I looked for work but I still can't get anywhere and my financial position gets worse every month as my savings dwindle and my debt rises.

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

Ciprian Maricon posted:

My resume is really bad, but that's because I have no real skills. Should I lie? What kind of bullshit could I get away with here? I've been grinding out a meager wage as a freelance interpreter since I graduated from college over a year ago while I looked for work but I still can't get anywhere and my financial position gets worse every month as my savings dwindle and my debt rises.

I'm sure you have plenty of skills related to interpreting, plus stuff from school. What is your degree? What kind of position to you want to get?

Don't outright lie, it isn't worth the risk. Do make sure you put things in the most positive light you can. If you have an experience that includes good and bad elements, don't mention the bad parts at all.

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Ciprian Maricon
Feb 27, 2006



I have bachelors degree in accounting. I just want a job that means I'm not living paycheck to paycheck with a reasonable standard of living. I don't particularly care about accounting but after working lots of random retail stuff in my early 20's I went back to school with the goal of finding a reasonable job and accounting seemed a safe way to achieve the goal of finding stable work. I went to class and I did my schoolwork did a sort of internship but I know gently caress all about actual accounting work, I couldn't go into an accounting office and provide anymore help or input than the average dude without a degree.

Interpreting involves no skills aside from "speak another language" and non-bilingual persons vastly overestimate the value of that skill set. Some 25% of the country is bilingual, and that's average, in places like where I live it's significantly higher. It's like typing or being Microsoft Office proficient, it has some utility but its not opening any doors.

EDIT: I don't mean to sound like I'm mentally deficient. I'm pretty confident I can do the average entry-ish level job. I did fine in school and at my previous jobs. I just can't get in the door and after a year its clear my resume is a big problem.

Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Oct 19, 2016

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