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Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

PST posted:

Bonus quote, is this some form of mental health problem?


I'm going down the rabbit hole, I might not be able to make it back:

Reagan's legacy shines, one untreated mental illness at a time.

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Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Cliven already has no filter, imagine him with dementia. I'm sure it can get a whole lot worse than "Let me tell you one more thing I know about the negro!"

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost
This new background image is pretty good.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe

Elephant Ambush posted:

This new background image is pretty good.

I was leery when they moved the thread from GBS to here but it really is the perfect place for it.

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
Is it bad that I am now envisioning the trial as if it was a poorly constructed goanimate video?

Because I feel like that is the only way you can dignify this thing.

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


EorayMel posted:

Is it bad that I am now envisioning the trial as if it was a poorly constructed goanimate video?

Because I feel like that is the only way you can dignify this thing.

ryanbundy. You will be jailed for nine five seven six four five one four eight eight two seven eight seven five six five four two nine five eight four six seven five five five five five years go to your cell.

WrenP-Complete
Jul 27, 2012

Krinkle posted:

ryanbundy. You will be jailed for nine five seven six four five one four eight eight two seven eight seven five six five four two nine five eight four six seven five five five five five years go to your cell.



That's numberwang.

WrenP-Complete
Jul 27, 2012

Sorry to double-post, but have some content:
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-standoff-trial-6th-week-defense-plans/

I don't know what these tweets (from this morning) mean. Could anyone please shed some light?
Conrad Wilson ‏@conradjwilson

Judge Anna Brown has saidshe's not going to allow cumulative testimony from the defense about the condition of the refuge.

Conrad Wilson ‏@conradjwilson

Through 10 previous witnesses, Brown said, the defense had established its point that the refuge was clean and peaceful.

WrenP-Complete has issued a correction as of 17:02 on Oct 11, 2016

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
"Cumulative" evidence is evidence that's basically overwhelmingly redundant. The judge is indicating that the testimony has little value, because it doesn't add any real support to previous claims that the refuge space was kept clean. Implicit in the statement in this context is that no one is buying this claim.

echo465
Jun 3, 2007
I like ice cream
http://katu.com/news/local/what-to-know-as-the-oregon-ranching-standoff-trial-continues

quote:

It's unclear how many of the remaining defendants plan to testify. Ryan Bundy, who's serving as his own lawyer, told the judge he's leaning against it. If he does testify, another lawyer will pose the questions. The judge said it would be hard for jurors to keep a straight face if Ryan Bundy asked his own questions and then answered them.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 13 hours!

Hard for Ryan to keep a straight face too.

Shakenbaker
Nov 14, 2005



Grimey Drawer

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Hard for Ryan to keep a straight face too.

Pretty much a Harrison Bergeron scenario then.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 13 hours!
https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/785998686954229760

Knight
Dec 23, 2000

SPACE-A-HOLIC
Taco Defender
With the Trump campaign implosion and feds pursuing criminal contempt charges against Arpaio this week, I might have to take Monday off if the Bundy's defense rests and the jury convicts before Friday is over.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 13 hours!
:mason:

https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/786000495655608320

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!

"A lodge is a place you wreck up and poo poo all over, right?" He added.

Semisponge
Mar 9, 2006

I FUCKING LOVE BUTTS

Knight posted:

With the Trump campaign implosion and feds pursuing criminal contempt charges against Arpaio this week, I might have to take Monday off if the Bundy's defense rests and the jury convicts before Friday is over.

ooh what?


Also:

https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/785998302881787904

Knight
Dec 23, 2000

SPACE-A-HOLIC
Taco Defender
Violating the judge's orders to stop his "immigration" patrols.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/10/11/497577585/feds-will-press-criminal-contempt-charges-against-ariz-sheriff-arpaio

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Knight posted:

With the Trump campaign implosion and feds pursuing criminal contempt charges against Arpaio this week, I might have to take Monday off if the Bundy's defense rests and the jury convicts before Friday is over.

Unfortunately it looks like putting Trump on trial for child rape charges has been delayed until December.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~

In the same sense that the Bundys are "good ranchers".


chitoryu12 posted:

Unfortunately it looks like putting Trump on trial for child rape charges has been delayed until December.

At least he's getting sued for his scam "university" in late November.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse
^ Eh, if he has no chance to win he'll just settle out like he said he's done a lot in the past to avoid admitting he's a sexual predator

chitoryu12 posted:

Unfortunately it looks like putting Trump on trial for child rape charges has been delayed until December.

I kinda hope it goes the Bin Laden route where Trump refuses to concede, holes up in his own little compound and SEAL Team 6 has to go kick his poo poo in

The Fuzzy Hulk
Nov 22, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT CROSSING THE STREAMS


Ryan Bundy called his wife Angela to the stand as the defense resumed its case in the Oregon standoff trial.

Acting as his own lawyer, Bundy broke down Tuesday before posing his first question, finally composing himself to ask: "You're my wife, right?"

http://www.kezi.com/news/Ryan_Bundy_Questions_Wife_at_Stand_Off_Trial.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_KEZI_9_News

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
:thurman:

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.



Geostomp posted:

In the same sense that the Bundys are "good ranchers".

At least he's getting sued for his scam "university" in late November.

The university thing is pretty funny because it's pretty obviously churning in the back ofDonald's mind.

Last night at a rally he told his voters to make sure they got out to vote on 11/28. Which as you might have noticed is not the date of the election, but instead the date of the Trump U case starts. :v:

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Alkydere posted:

The university thing is pretty funny because it's pretty obviously churning in the back ofDonald's mind.

Last night at a rally he told his voters to make sure they got out to vote on 11/28. Which as you might have noticed is not the date of the election, but instead the date of the Trump U case starts. :v:

It's the date of the republican election, the democratic election is on the 8th. Make sure all your republican friends are aware of the scheduling change!

Bar Crow
Oct 10, 2012

The Fuzzy Hulk posted:

Ryan Bundy called his wife Angela to the stand as the defense resumed its case in the Oregon standoff trial.

Acting as his own lawyer, Bundy broke down Tuesday before posing his first question, finally composing himself to ask: "You're my wife, right?"

http://www.kezi.com/news/Ryan_Bundy_Questions_Wife_at_Stand_Off_Trial.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_KEZI_9_News

To which she responded, "I did not create joinder."

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

The Fuzzy Hulk posted:

Ryan Bundy called his wife Angela to the stand as the defense resumed its case in the Oregon standoff trial.

Acting as his own lawyer, Bundy broke down Tuesday before posing his first question, finally composing himself to ask: "You're my wife, right?"

http://www.kezi.com/news/Ryan_Bundy_Questions_Wife_at_Stand_Off_Trial.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_KEZI_9_News

Objection, leading.

CrazyLittle
Sep 11, 2001





Clapping Larry

Bar Crow posted:

To which she responded, "I did not create joinder."

Well unless she opened up her market to free trade with the highest bidding contractor, she created joinder at least six times.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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My understanding of spousal privilege is such that there's very little she can actually say on the stand that will damage Ryan Bundy's case, since anything beyond direct 'did X happen' stuff is considered to be privileged information. Is that incorrect?

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Mors Rattus posted:

My understanding of spousal privilege is such that there's very little she can actually say on the stand that will damage Ryan Bundy's case, since anything beyond direct 'did X happen' stuff is considered to be privileged information. Is that incorrect?

I thought spousal privilege was a right but not a requirement? Like they can't compel you to testify against your spouse but if you do it anyway it doesn't make it invalid.

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Mors Rattus posted:

My understanding of spousal privilege is such that there's very little she can actually say on the stand that will damage Ryan Bundy's case, since anything beyond direct 'did X happen' stuff is considered to be privileged information. Is that incorrect?
My understanding is that it means the government can't compel her to testify against Ryan, but if she's up for saying that he planned an armed revolution and totally wanted to murder a bunch of feds, he can't stop her from doing so and he couldn't stop the prosecution from calling her as a witness if she was up for testifying.

If it didn't work like that, how could a wife ever testify against her husband in a domestic violence case without first getting a divorce?

Gounads
Mar 13, 2013

Where am I?
How did I get here?
Do you waive any of that privilege by testifying for the defense? I bet you can at least be cross examined on any topic you brought up.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
My understanding is that if you mention something that leads to a line of inquiry on cross then anything that comes up can be fair game. Though it depends on the judge.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
Looks like Payne changed his mind.

https://twitter.com/amandapeacher/status/786570105295560705

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle





LOL, what an idiot.

Your Gay Uncle
Feb 16, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Mors Rattus posted:

My understanding of spousal privilege is such that there's very little she can actually say on the stand that will damage Ryan Bundy's case, since anything beyond direct 'did X happen' stuff is considered to be privileged information. Is that incorrect?

Depends. If there were 3rd parties present any spousal privilege is forfeit. The government can't bring any obstruction or contempt of court charges if they were having a private spousal conversation. If she wanted to testify she absolutely could.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Rockin Orthodontist posted:

LOL, what an idiot.

"Well, as long as we're goin' down, might as well be on fire too"

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
His reasoning boils down to: "Whelp I didn't realize I was talking to snitches, this changes everything!", right?

quote:

“It has now been revealed that some of the inculpatory conduct and statements attributed to Mr. Payne apparently were made to confidential informants, a fact previously unknown to Mr. Payne,” Frederico wrote. “Had Mr. Payne and his counsel been aware of this basis for impeachment of the government’s potential witnesses, they could have evaluated the strength of the government’s case differently.”


Also something about the plea deal in Nevada not being completely written out when he took the Oregon deal, but I am not sure how that's relevant.

Late edit: aaaand here's the jury nullification talk.

https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/786648909430951936

TotalLossBrain has issued a correction as of 22:38 on Oct 13, 2016

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
Hah.

https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/786649513213595648

https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/786649772971008000

:siren: :siren:
https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/786649868425015296

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SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

TotalLossBrain posted:

His reasoning boils down to: "Whelp I didn't realize I was talking to snitches, this changes everything!", right?



Also something about the plea deal in Nevada not being completely written out when he took the Oregon deal, but I am not sure how that's relevant.

Late edit: aaaand here's the jury nullification talk.

https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/786648909430951936

Did you occupy a federal reserve?
"yes"

Knowing that you talked to informants, did you occupy a federal reserve?
"Yes"

I don't see how this changes anything

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