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Powercrazy posted:Which the president can do unilaterally and yet... Here are the states *other* than the ones voting to legalize in November, that have polled majorities in favor of legal weed: - Maryland 63% - New Hampshire 61% - Rhode Island 55% - Pennsylavian 57% - Ohio 52% - Florida 56% - Michigan 53% - Vermont 56% - New Jersey 58% - Virginia 54% - Connecticut 63% - Delaware 56% - New York 57% - Hawaii 66% - Georgia 54% - Indiana 52% - Texas 58% - New Mexico 52% - Louisiana 53% Now this is from NORML, and it's a mish-mash of various pollsters and methodologies, but all these are at least "legal possession of small amounts by adults", so full-legal vice decrim, and some phrased explicitly as "treated like alcohol". That said, if we get the full monty in November, that's nine states and DC legal, and 19 on this list above. The question just becomes which states are easiest/quickest/cheapest to push through, and what interested parties see what degree of profit in it. Then it just becomes a matter of when the Feds break down and just accept that a significant portion of the country wants legal weed. Even just five years ago folks thought we'd not see a single legal state in our lifetime, and here we are.
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Only 9/50 states, but probably way more than 18% of the population. I'm guessing 25-30%. unrelated, but looking at the numbers, Arizona has exactly as many people in it as Massachusetts, a historical mindfuck i say swears online has issued a correction as of 04:50 on Oct 12, 2016 |
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Aliquid posted:unrelated, but looking at the numbers, Arizona has exactly as many people in it as Massachusetts, a historical mindfuck http://www.theonion.com/article/pretty-cute-watching-boston-residents-play-daily-g-31554
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:http://www.theonion.com/article/pretty-cute-watching-boston-residents-play-daily-g-31554 oh my god
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EX250 Type R posted:saw my first Maine No on 1 signs.... in front of a local pot dealers house and a local head shop.... it is a mystery Probably like their profit margins the way they are
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The Glumslinger posted:Probably like their profit margins the way they are And/or concern that MPP-initiated legislation out of DC won't take Maine's "unique culture" into account. Which I refuse to interpret as anything other than "pot shops should be cute Victorian seaside bungalows run by a cantankerous white-haired old man who says things like 'lobstah' and sells THC-laced stick candy and saltwater taffy."
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Yeah, there's been a pushback by even medical users in New England because of the bills being "too business friendly" and it's been taking me forever to convince people that just getting the foot in the door is more important.
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i read the ma initiative and it seems fine, what problems do people have with it
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literally "but corporations and profit, maaan" any legalization that allows home-growing is pretty much a best-case scenario
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i think it was the ohio intiative which was basically written by 3 or 4 big farms to benefit themselves. MA as far as I know doesn't follow that pattern
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I think the worry is that MA is puritanical af with alcohol/liquor licenses, so following that pattern would restrict access a bit wrt storefronts, cost, fines, etc. Still hella dumb
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yeah i'm wary of this commission it creates, it's allowed to pretty much set all the rules. i guess we'll find out in a month one thing i haven't been able to find is who appoints the commission. baker is governor right now, so that's not so great if it's him. the legislature is slow as poo poo and isn't much better.
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State treasurer, in this case: Deborah Goldberg
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:And/or concern that MPP-initiated legislation out of DC won't take Maine's "unique culture" into account. 
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:I think the worry is that MA is puritanical af with alcohol/liquor licenses, so following that pattern would restrict access a bit wrt storefronts, cost, fines, etc. Yeah, Washington hosed up because of their strict liquor laws, too.
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:State treasurer, in this case: Deborah Goldberg Deborah Goldberg is aggressively anti-weed and said that she will raise the tax from 3% to 30% and that it would take her office at least a year or so to implement legalization. Marijuana will be legalized in Massachusetts but the state government does not want it at all, and I'm hoping that there will be enough popular or municipal pressure to make sure that marijuana legalization actually happens in practice.
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given that the law has safeguards against that sort of behavior baked in (  ), it'll start no later than Jan 1 2018da law posted:SECTION 6. Notwithstanding any general or special law to the contrary, if the cannabis
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if you read this globe article, you will come away feeling like question 4 will definitely not pass lolquote:As the debate wears on, panelists become increasingly aggressive. Carmichael describes, in vivid detail, walking in on a heroin overdose and finding a bong. quote:Maybe this new approach to cannabis reform will work — but maybe not. Massachusetts legalizers are facing the most organized and powerful cannabis opposition in the country, not to mention divisions within their own pro-marijuana ranks. What’s more, some say the Question 4 campaign’s responses to these challenges have at times made matters worse. the only polling they mention in the entire article: quote:The legalization campaign, which had until then enjoyed a year of favorable polling, took a big hit almost immediately. In April, one poll had voters supporting legalization by a 57 to 35 percent margin. But a month later, a Suffolk University/Boston Globe poll reported respondents opposing it 46 to 43 percent. Two months later, the opposition’s lead grew even wider: 51 to 41 percent. it's so transparent https://www.bostonglobe.com/magazine/2016/10/18/why-marijuana-opposition-effective-liberal-mass/QAN3Chb4AxpXCQKFKJ1M5M/story.html Karl Barks has issued a correction as of 21:38 on Oct 18, 2016 |
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/\/\/\Powercrazy posted:The regressive left strikes again.
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fat bossy gerbil posted:That link gives a page not found error. fixed
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The Boston Globe posted:Last summer, MassCann officially endorsed a competing ballot initiative, spearheaded by the organization’s cofounder, Steve Epstein, that would have legalized the possession, sale, and cultivation of marijuana without the specially regulated system of grow houses, testing labs, and retailers required by Question 4. When that initiative failed to garner enough signatures, many MassCann members endorsed Question 4 — but not Epstein. “I don’t call it a legalization movement,” he says. “I call it a crony capitalism and new bureaucracy movement.” It looks like MA will be close but then again who knows, the article was quite vague about what polls it references and who actually did them.
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All recent polling shows it passing with fairly wide margins, I assume Trump fallout will make it even easier. It is funny seeing globe attempt to maintain impartiality while clearly favoring one side tho
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Karl Barks posted:All recent polling shows it passing with fairly wide margins, I assume Trump fallout will make it even easier. It is funny seeing globe attempt to maintain impartiality while clearly favoring one side tho the democrats here aren't as liberal as you might think. Gotta say though, lmfao at the anti-question 4 ad coming thurs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjtmo2M3Exw
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"marijuana operators" lol yeah, MA is basically a one party system so my expectations are low for politics here. it's a bunch of careerists like leland cheung (thank god he lost)
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yeah as just noted, any one-party state will have a ton of [out-party] in [in-party]'s clothing it'll be interesting to see how turnout affects this stuff in the places where it's close. hopes of arizona going blue mostly turn on latino turnout, and i don't know what the demographic splits are like in that state's polling but i remember seeing that latinos were a bit less pro-legalization than whites in california polling cross-tabs. on the other hand all of these turnout scenarios also involve right-wing white people pouting and staying home, so maybe that more than counterbalances any other effects
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Gap in MA widens to 55-40
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haha and the charter school prop is going down in flames, at least MA voters are more sane then our legislature
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Crosstabs for whole poll, if anyone is interested (topline)
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i'm the 21% of people over 60 who are bothered by people smoking marijuana in their homes
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For the channels covering presidential election results live on Election Day, do they tend to also mention results on state initiatives of interest like these? Like if I'm watching a mainstream news channel that night are they likely to mention how the weed initiatives are progressing in the polls? I'll also have fun checking the Twitter of noted fellow Kevin Sabet, one of the main go-to anti-weed pundits nationally. Mostly to see what he *doesn't* say. In 2014 on the day after AL, OR, and DC legalized, the focus of Sabet's twitter was the news that some suburban village of 3,000 people in Colorado had voted to ban weed shops.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:For the channels covering presidential election results live on Election Day, do they tend to also mention results on state initiatives of interest like these? Like if I'm watching a mainstream news channel that night are they likely to mention how the weed initiatives are progressing in the polls? I think in 2014 they did but it's a lot less high profile there.
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Karl Barks posted:All recent polling shows it passing with fairly wide margins, I assume Trump fallout will make it even easier. It is funny seeing globe attempt to maintain impartiality while clearly favoring one side tho How the Trump meltdown effects down-ballot races is one of the big questions of this election. I tend to think it won't make any difference, although it perhaps will at the margins. Like, of states with a close cannabis election, how many Donald Trump supporters are going to not vote because his campaign looks like it is going to lose anyway? And of those, how many were going to be against cannabis in the first place? Because Trump supporters are not all old, traditional anti-drug people. So I don't think it will make that much of a difference, but in a place like Arizona, who knows?
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Trump supporters are old people, the vocal younger Trump supporters do not represent the demographic support he has overall, I don't know if low turnout from Republicans will has an effect on weed initiatives but if it does itll be a positive. (For legalization)
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the demos from that poll posted above show trump supporters breaking towards no, so I would imagine it will help.
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Awesome, I thought this was going to be a total tossup or lean no so this is very encouraging.
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MaxxBot posted:Awesome, I thought this was going to be a total tossup or lean no so this is very encouraging. We'll see. Signs are encouraging, but issue polling here tends to have a big delta when ask is said and done. That shift was in favor of weed last time, so who knows. Just hope the 65+ crowd stays home e. poo poo, 68% of residents approve of Baker? Respect. Gone. Forever. GonadTheBallbarian has issued a correction as of 22:40 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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Noted awful person and billionaire casino mogul Sheldon Adelson shat out $2,000,000 to fight Nevada's recreational marijuana billquote:Financial disclosures due Tuesday showed the Las Vegas Sands casino owner is the biggest donor to the Protect Nevada's Children PAC ... I guess just buying the city's paper wasn't enough.
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