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pookel posted:I thought Catch-22 was "you are ineligible for B until you have completed A. You may not complete A until you have finished B." Sort of. I guess The Crucible would also qualify. Denying you're a practitioner of the dark arts is something only a practitioner would do! Then again I doubt a lot of them have ever read Miller, Heller or Kafka. They're generally authors whose work has become part of popular conscious through osmosis and many probably wouldn't have any knowledge of them beyond half remembered high school discussions and it was too beneath them to actually listen.
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All that poo poo about how women need to be beaten by alphas and treated like garbage reminds me of the eternal libertarian paradox: "This system inconveniences me. Obviously, it was put here for evil!" Sometimes. Not always.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/09/call-me-a-racist-but-dont-say-im-a-buddhist-meet-the-alt-right Meet "Eric". quote:Eric loves the meanness of the alt right. “We’re the troll army!” he says. “We’re here to win. We’re savage!” And antisemitism is non-negotiable. In fact, he’d like to clear up a misnomer about the alt right, propagated by the Breitbart columnist Milo Yiannopoulos, who is often described, mistakenly, as the movement’s leader. Milo casts the alt right as principally a trolling enterprise, dedicated to attacking liberal shibboleths for the “lulz”– there’s precious little actual bigotry. But Eric insists otherwise. Yes, they like to joke, they have memes, they’re just as funny as liberals – have I heard of their satirical news podcasts, the Daily Shoah and Fash the Nation? But make no mistake, the racism is real. Eric especially enjoys The Daily Stormer, a leading alt-right news site, which is unashamedly pro-Hitler.
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Oct 12, 2016 09:54
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Either the guardian is getting trolled hard or they found a real special kid because describing the daily stormer as "a leading alt-right news site" is pretty, uh, odd?
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A White Guy posted:Hitler, not fascist enough for me jim says: October 11, 2016 at 2:27 am I am all in favor of the gradual and orderly removal of Jews over time through a combination of exit to Israel with assets and arms and the alternative of full assimilation with an inquisition to make sure that purported full assimilation is indeed full assimilation.
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Oct 12, 2016 14:28
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ate all the Oreos posted:Either the guardian is getting trolled hard or they found a real special kid because describing the daily stormer as "a leading alt-right news site" is pretty, uh, odd? Well, I suppose that just shows how little difference between alt-right and neonazi there is.
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Oct 12, 2016 14:31
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ikanreed posted:Well, I suppose that just shows how little difference between alt-right and neonazi there is. Oh I'm not saying the daily stormer isn't alt-right-y, it's just only really read by the adherents who are openly and blatantly white nationalist instead of the Milo-type "lol blacks are apes amirite" type, and as far as I know that's still a minority compared to, say, Breitbart readers. e: Also the stormer actively hates Milo and his "sect" for being a degenerate gay jew or something so there's that too
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Oct 12, 2016 14:38
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Yeah, the alt-right is way too cozy with neo-Nazis and white supremacists, but those groups are not actually the people leading the movement.
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Oct 12, 2016 17:26
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pookel posted:As explained to me by my alt-right friend, it's when someone says "I'm not a racist" and the SJW says "AHA! Your denial proves you're guilty!" I've seen stuff like it. The setup goes: one of the hallmarks of privilege is that privileged people don't have to worry or think about their privilege. They often deny it when first confronted with it. The stronger the denial the bigger the red flag generally. (I personally agree with this because I'm a filthy robocop.) The part of the dynamic the "kafkatrapping" whiners ignore is how they can't show a working knowledge of racism and privilege. They can't speak intelligently about it. They defend themselves with meta stuff and not real stuff; they're like, "You can't read my mind! I'm under no obligation to prove myself to you! You're accusing me of thought crime!" It's not the denial that proves they're guilty, it's mere denial. From the social justice side it looks more like Dunning-Kruger than Heller-Kafka-Orwell.
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Oct 12, 2016 17:33
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pookel posted:Yeah, the alt-right is way too cozy with neo-Nazis and white supremacists, but those groups are not actually the people leading the movement. Except maybe in prison. I assume any alt-righters who end up there will immediately pull a weev and flee to the protective embrace of the Aryan Brotherhood.
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Oh maybe this idea comes from a 12 step/addiction model - denying you have a problem is seen as symptomatic of the problem.
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Oct 12, 2016 21:46
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pookel posted:Yeah, the alt-right is way too cozy with neo-Nazis and white supremacists, but those groups are not actually the people leading the movement. No, the people leading the alt-right are new-Nazis and white supremacists by any reasonable definition. They just refuse to call themselves that.
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Oct 12, 2016 22:16
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eschaton posted:No, the people leading the alt-right are new-Nazis and white supremacists by any reasonable definition. That's exactly what people are saying. The subgroup that do call themselves Nazis are prominent but not in charge. (Yet.)
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The Lone Badger posted:That's exactly what people are saying. The subgroup that do call themselves Nazis are prominent but not in charge. (Yet.) I think you're just failing to appreciate the ironic commentary implicit in the loving great swastika weev got tattooed on his chest,
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Oct 13, 2016 04:18
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So is the alt right free breakfast program just Soylent in a Dickensian workhouse? Or do they think to be the Black Panthers you just need scary dudes with guns and berets?
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Oct 13, 2016 04:36
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I mean I guess that's what the 60's counterculture appears to be if you're a boring white conservative looking at it from the outside
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Oct 13, 2016 04:53
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Like I've said it before in this thread but that tweet is really the perfect example of how edgelords seem to be rebelling against this really weird, skewed subjective image of what they think the rest of the world considers "normal." Viewing it with that lens I guess I could see how you could come to the conclusion that "the hippies main goal was to have long hair because society hated long hair!"
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Oct 13, 2016 05:01
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ate all the Oreos posted:Like I've said it before in this thread but that tweet is really the perfect example of how edgelords seem to be rebelling against this really weird, skewed subjective image of what they think the rest of the world considers "normal." Viewing it with that lens I guess I could see how you could come to the conclusion that "the hippies main goal was to have long hair because society hated long hair!" You're misreading it He sees the Alt-Right as a cure to the Hippies being in power.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t_Bs-8L4Mo After Karl Ushanka commented, I asked him if Alt-Right Dogs was an attempt to go viral and he pulled the ol' "At least I made something, you just spent 15 minutes watching a video.  "
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Somfin posted:You're misreading it No, you're misreading it. https://twitter.com/paxdickinson/status/785860847956594692 https://twitter.com/paxdickinson/status/785862614060503040 edit: also that Alice Mazzy person literally says their model for the alt-right's behavior is "brazen taboo violation to signal rejection of the public morality of the day" and he agrees/doesn't argue or correct her on his meaning so InediblePenguin has a new favorite as of 07:12 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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Somfin posted:You're misreading it Not sure how you can get that from "My model for the alt-right has always been the 60s counterculture left, since way back before the alt-right even had a name" and "@paxdickinson this is my model as well. brazen taboo violation to signal rejection of the public morality of the day" unless you only read the very first tweet he was responding to but not any of the rest of it
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ate all the Oreos posted:brazen taboo violation to signal rejection of the public morality of the day is obviously talking about the Alt-Right's censorship by our dominant overlords, guys. The overlords who these guys see as either captains of industry or SJWs. They only want to reject one of those.
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Somfin posted:is obviously talking about the Alt-Right's censorship by our dominant overlords, guys. The overlords who these guys see as either captains of industry or SJWs. They only want to reject one of those. They're obviously drawing a parallel between their own taboo violation and that of the 1960s counterculture, bro
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Peztopiary posted:I can't wait for the alters to discover communes. Phalanx, the neoreactionary proposal to leave the basement from time to time, seems to have disappeared from the net. In other news, Anissimov's moreright.net seems to have dropped offline.
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Peztopiary posted:I can't wait for the alters to discover communes. Can't wait for them to discover petty ideological splitting, but only if it doesn't result in some of them forming underground terrorist cells.
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InediblePenguin posted:They're obviously drawing a parallel between their own taboo violation and that of the 1960s counterculture, bro Within the month, Pax, or someone who liked or retweeted that tweet, is going to get really angry at "degenerate art" and bitch about a society that would praise Piss Christ.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Within the month, Pax, or someone who liked or retweeted that tweet, is going to get really angry at "degenerate art" and bitch about a society that would praise Piss Christ. Did you hear that anime statue of the guy whipping up a vortex of cum sold for tens of thousands of dollars!? Clearly this indicates cultural marxism has destroyed the fabric of high society!
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Vox Day is kinda sorta in the DE camp, right? I made the ill-advised move of reading his latest poo poo and I found a greeeeat one.  quote:There is no longer even the appearance of a coherent nation. This is the state to which the proposition nation lunatics have reduced the USA. Nations are people. They are not ideas, borders or political boundaries. Change the people, change the nation. Change the people, and all of the ideas, borders, and political boundaries will inevitably change with them. Demographics is destiny. America is not an ideal of a shining city on the hill you guys, it's all about avoiding people who have
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Oct 13, 2016 15:42
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So they want to be like hippies, but ironically.
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Doc Hawkins posted:Except maybe in prison. wait weev's been in jail?
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pookel posted:So they want to be like hippies, but ironically. The old fascism  The new fascism 
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DeusExMachinima posted:Vox Day is kinda sorta in the DE camp, right? I made the ill-advised move of reading his latest poo poo and I found a greeeeat one.
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Terrible Opinions posted:It's Vox Day not white though. Isn't he one of those minorities who think they're an acception somehow. He's partly Native American, or at least claims to be. So it's not strictly hypocritical for him to be against nonwhite immigration.
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Race Realists posted:wait weev's been in jail? He went to prison for like 7 months, during which time his views on the superiority of the white race crystallized and he met some outright actual neo-nazis and joined them. He was then let out on appeal or something afaik.
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Terrible Opinions posted:It's Vox Day not white though. Isn't he one of those minorities who think they're an acception somehow. He's one of those "totally white until I need a race card to play" guys.
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It's only tangentially DE (though I put in the /pol/ cultural Marxism conspiracy theory chart), but I wrote a piece on how Theodor Adorno of the Frankfurt School wrote all the Beatles' songs.
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