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Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

Ultimate Mango posted:

Anyone here have experience with the BMW buyback process? I am part ways down the path with BMW NA regarding my reliably unreliable '14 550i, and I am kind of amazed that while they seem to be happy to take my car back they have zero interest in keeping me in the brand.

Also, I am tempted to leave a few little notes about my car and its issues so whoever buys it at what I assume will be an auction knows that they are in for. I know if I got a car at auction I would appreciate knowing the true story, just not sure how well hidden I need to do things so that they don't get cleaned out in auction prep but a new owner who cares will find like a note or something with a little history.

Can you document them here? That sounds kinda interesting to me.

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Ether Frenzy
Dec 22, 2006




Nap Ghost

Wrar posted:

Most people who sell stuff on Craigslist are assholes unfortunately.

Ultimate Mango
Jan 18, 2005

Salt Fish posted:

Can you document them here? That sounds kinda interesting to me.

When I know what I am and am not allowed to say I will say more here.

The dealer is so sick of seeing me that when my car was in most recently they broke the plastic housing off an iPhone cable (which I had to use a rubber band to keep seated securely) and blamed the exposed wiring of an unauthorized accessory as the cause of a fault. The fault in question? Main iDrive display black showing a message "No Signal." Riiiiight...

That wasn't even the main issue. The buyback is engine related and I will say what I can.

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer

BlackMK4 posted:

I've refused to do business with people like that, and I tell them such.

The car looks fantastic, CarFax came back clean has recently had the Inspection 2 done, low miles. But this seller is leaving a real bad taste in my mouth and I'm about ready to just tell him I'm not interested because he's acting like I'm the enemy for having the audacity to ask basic questions he didn't clarify in his ad.

Keyser_Soze
May 5, 2009

Pillbug

Ultimate Mango posted:

Anyone here have experience with the BMW buyback process? I am part ways down the path with BMW NA regarding my reliably unreliable '14 550i, and I am kind of amazed that while they seem to be happy to take my car back they have zero interest in keeping me in the brand.

Also, I am tempted to leave a few little notes about my car and its issues so whoever buys it at what I assume will be an auction knows that they are in for. I know if I got a car at auction I would appreciate knowing the true story, just not sure how well hidden I need to do things so that they don't get cleaned out in auction prep but a new owner who cares will find like a note or something with a little history.

Did you have N63 V8 engine probs or that along with other stuff? .

My 2013 535 has had no probs and the 4-yr warranty just popped so I'm gonna risk getting my rear end handed to me as it only has 23k miles and I'm too lazy and unmotivated to buy something else right now.

If I sold my car to Carmax or traded it in - I would think about leaving notes in the owners manual as well or at least my name/email address so the new owner could at least get my receipts and know the car was taken care of.

Last time mine went into the dealer for an oil change car lot fetch boy had to come get me since he didn't know how to drive a stick. :smith:

Keyser_Soze fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Oct 10, 2016

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

Popete posted:

The car looks fantastic, CarFax came back clean has recently had the Inspection 2 done, low miles. But this seller is leaving a real bad taste in my mouth and I'm about ready to just tell him I'm not interested because he's acting like I'm the enemy for having the audacity to ask basic questions he didn't clarify in his ad.

If you had the vin number run it through a Vin decoder to find out the transmission and options

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm
Expect for him to come back with a line of bullshit about how he's 'all business'

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer

BraveUlysses posted:

If you had the vin number run it through a Vin decoder to find out the transmission and options

I had to ask him for the VIN but that was after I asked him if it was a 6-speed manual stick and not an SMG just to be sure before I spent any more time on it. He gave me the VIN but only after "laying down my ground rules" such as no test drives until a offer is made "too many people want a free joy ride". Guy is acting like he is selling a one of a kind super car instead of a slightly more desirable 14 year old sports car.

I mean maybe he's just putting on a show and he'll be more reasonable in person. But I get the impression he's gonna want a deposit if I ask him to pop the hood and start the engine.

Popete fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Oct 10, 2016

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
Well to be fair, just imagine how many shithead 350z/g35 owners are probably contacting this guy about buying. 15-17k gets you a fast as gently caress car nowadays.

Ultimate Mango
Jan 18, 2005

Keyser S0ze posted:

Did you have N63 V8 engine probs or that along with other stuff? .


It's the N63TU. Not supposed to have those problems but here we are. New turbos, new seals, new oil air return lines, many sets of MAF and O2 sensors, and a new wiring harness. Last time in they replaced the O2 sensors, which failed immediately, smoke tested it (no problem found), and then destroyed my iPhone USB cable and blamed the faults on 'exposed non approved accessory wiring.' Seriously. Replaces the sensors again and rest the codes and I'm sure I will be back in a few days.

In the meantime I have been reporting increased coolant consumption for a year, and one common failure mode for O2 fouling and failures is when you have a coolant leak that gets coolant to the sensors somehow (I sent my dealer the research on O2 sensor failure modes), but I guess that isn't part of the BMW troubleshooting guide so....

In any case don't doxx me cruel internet people.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
The only good thing I ever got from a BMW dealership is them warrantying my DCT a month before my CPO ended. Other than that it was nothing but "Hey i'm having this issue and this code" and them saying "buuuuuhhhhh."

Ultimate Mango
Jan 18, 2005

Cojawfee posted:

The only good thing I ever got from a BMW dealership is them warrantying my DCT a month before my CPO ended. Other than that it was nothing but "Hey i'm having this issue and this code" and them saying "buuuuuhhhhh."

They have been amazing at getting things covered for me on many cars. It's no wonder they changed the warranty and maintenance programs on newer cars. All of them have paid for themselves several times over. Before extended warranty was over for my E61 it got two new turbos and an entire new hydraulic system for the tailgate. In addition to the new nav system a month prior.

I have an awesome local Indy shop but they can't do warranty work (or don't want to) so I was stuck with the dealer. Our E61 is (touch wood) doing really well in their and they seem to know the proper preventative schedule for the N54.

wallaka
Jun 8, 2010

Least it wasn't a fucking red shell

Ultimate Mango posted:

They have been amazing at getting things covered for me on many cars. It's no wonder they changed the warranty and maintenance programs on newer cars. All of them have paid for themselves several times over. Before extended warranty was over for my E61 it got two new turbos and an entire new hydraulic system for the tailgate. In addition to the new nav system a month prior.

I have an awesome local Indy shop but they can't do warranty work (or don't want to) so I was stuck with the dealer. Our E61 is (touch wood) doing really well in their and they seem to know the proper preventative schedule for the N54.

Yeah, I got no complaints about the dealership when I had CPO warranty problems on my 2004 M3. Free stuff: Inspections I and II including valve adjustment, rear subframe inspection, front brake rotors and pads, alternator, serpentine belt, light control module and bixenon bulb, rear view mirror (TWELVE HUNDRED loving DOLLARS FOR A loving MIRROR), and GDCS water pump. It's not the norm, I guess. Easily $10k in repairs that I paid $150 for, total. Disclaimer: I acknowledge that my experience is not typical.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
My transmission would have been $11K plus whatever labor for replacing and diagnosing. I also got a 50 dollar ECU a year or so earlier.

Bape Culture
Sep 13, 2006

I loving despise BMW dealers. I was interested in buying an M2 as well as leasing a 135 and they couldn't be arsed to call me back and I felt like they looked down on me which drove me mental. So I bought a corvette engine and now only have it serviced by my own guy. gently caress you, car sales morons.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer

Bape Culture posted:

I loving despise BMW dealers. I was interested in buying an M2 as well as leasing a 135 and they couldn't be arsed to call me back and I felt like they looked down on me which drove me mental. So I bought a corvette engine and now only have it serviced by my own guy. gently caress you, car sales morons.

Same. Every BMW dealer has been awful and condescending. I was looking a a 335i or 335d a while back and during test drives they wouldn't let me pull out onto the road because I wouldn't be used to the power and it's a busy (25mph) road. No other dealer gave me poo poo even with better cars. The Audi down the street tossed me the keys without an escort for anything I asked and I ended up with an S4.

The last time two times I went to two different BMW dealers and both made me do a big rear end 15 minute questionnaire to help me find the car that 'fits me' or some bullshit. gently caress them and that guy with the BMW racing jacket and matching hat at the service/parts desk.

PenisMonkey
Apr 30, 2004

Be gentally.
Guess my dealer is one of the few awesome ones. Went in and told the dude I was looking at a 335i in manual and he grabbed the keys and off we went for a test drive. Came back and said gently caress it, I'm ordering and M3. Ticked off the options I wanted, handed over $3k, and the order was placed. Waited a few months for the poo poo to arrive, dude kept me updated on the status, and when it came it he gave me the keys to take it for a spin while they got the paperwork ready.

Now he sends me a card for my birthday and on the anniversary of getting my car (9/11 never forget).

Keyser_Soze
May 5, 2009

Pillbug
yes good dealers good bad dealers bad

It seems the most bad are in captive areas without competition


let's see SF has around 8 dealers within 50 miles and all are good but SF, San Mateo, and Berkeley so 5 good 3 bad. I had asked for quotes as far back as 2000 and San Mateo/SF were horrible back then for sales and wanted to know if I was paying cash to order a stick shift and generally being jerks and not making deals. I had service done on my various E46's at nearly all of them between 2001 and 2012 and they all were good however.

Sacramento has 3 dealers within 50 miles and all 3 are shitheads (for sales anyway). Service at Roseville was okay for me.

Santa Barbara (the best for sales ordered 2 cars from there via email), Camarillo and Glendale are all very good in SoCal whereas Riverside (and Beverly Hills) is lovely.

Keyser_Soze fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Oct 11, 2016

GentlemanofLeisure
Aug 27, 2008
When I was shopping this summer, I had a pleasant experience with the sales dept. at my local dealer. gently caress if I'd ever go back there for service though, and that definitely weighed in on my decision.

Keyser_Soze
May 5, 2009

Pillbug
For sales just go in to test drive then when they try to corral you start mumbling and farting and drooling on yourself and leave and order online from one of the internet saavy dealers.

Bape Culture
Sep 13, 2006

I'll take the m3 in when it's done and explain it's making "a funny noise." :twisted:

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
When I lived in San Antonio there was only one dealer. There was also one in Austin but that's a trek just to get free maintenance.

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

Bape Culture posted:

I'll take the m3 in when it's done and explain it's making "a funny noise." :twisted:

I'm not a huge fan of your car but holy poo poo you need to do this

Modus Man
Jun 8, 2004



Soiled Meat

Bape Culture posted:

I'll take the m3 in when it's done and explain it's making "a funny noise." :twisted:

please tell me they are the type of dealership that has a drive-in service center so you can pull indoors and rev the gently caress out of it

NitroSpazzz
Dec 9, 2006

You don't need style when you've got strength!


Bape Culture posted:

I'll take the m3 in when it's done and explain it's making "a funny noise." :twisted:

Stick as many hidden cameras in the thing as possible and do this. Now I really want to do the same once I get my engine in

Jackie the Mick
Nov 10, 2003
Don' say we neva did nuthin fah yuz.

Jackie the Mick posted:

I have a question. I thought I had a blown head gasket on my '88 635CSi, but after taking it apart, I found that what I actually have are cracks in the head. So my options are: 1. Roll the dice on trying to find a "good used" M30b35 cylinder head on CL, Ebay, etc. Or 2. send it to a place like this and having it welded. Which one would be the better choice? One assumes that even with a "good used" head, I will have to have it pressure checked and decked, so even if I can get one for relatively cheap, it'll still be somewhat spendy. Right? WHAT SHOULD I DO?

So far, I have a few different options: 1. Have my cylinder head welded and refurbished. $600 2. A used head with complete valvetrain from an e24 forum member. This one is still attached to the engine and needs to be removed/inpected. $600 shipped. 3. A new cylinder head with only valves installed (no cam/springs/rockers/etc...could I use my old ones?) from the same forum member. $600 shipped. 4. Complete cylinder head of of a parts car identical to my own. Same condition as #2, but sold by a random person on Craig's List. $275 + shipping.

Anyone have any thoughts about this?

NitroSpazzz
Dec 9, 2006

You don't need style when you've got strength!


Jackie the Mick posted:

So far, I have a few different options: 1. Have my cylinder head welded and refurbished. $600 2. A used head with complete valvetrain from an e24 forum member. This one is still attached to the engine and needs to be removed/inpected. $600 shipped. 3. A new cylinder head with only valves installed (no cam/springs/rockers/etc...could I use my old ones?) from the same forum member. $600 shipped. 4. Complete cylinder head of of a parts car identical to my own. Same condition as #2, but sold by a random person on Craig's List. $275 + shipping.

Anyone have any thoughts about this?

We went through this with trying to find a head for the 524td. Bought a whole engine that was supposedly good ($500), head cracked to poo poo. Bought a head off ebay ($400), tiny cracks but weldable and it pressure tested fine before welding. Had to send that head off for a skim, welding and valve job ($250+). We could have bought a BRAND NEW head directly from BMW for $1200 and would have had the car on the road months ago.

I'd buy a known good head and throw it on...guess option 3.

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer
Alright you guys are probably sick of seeing these but here is a car I'm heavily considering. I'm thinking if I can get it for 21k it would be a solid deal, CarFax came back clean with plenty of dealer maintenance. I confirmed it has had the Inspection 2 done recently.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/5787036259.html

How big a concern is the rod bearing thing? I was ideally looking to get an 04 or newer but I don't know how common the issue is.

EDIT: I'm just gonna call BMW and see if they can tell me whether the rod bearing service action has been completed on this car. I would be surprised if it hadn't given it's had the Inspection 2 completed.

Popete fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Oct 12, 2016

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm
Seems nice to me, especially with that few of miles.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
IDK if I was going to spend that much i'd spend a tiny bit more for a v8 or an e46 with the competition package

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Popete posted:

Alright you guys are probably sick of seeing these but here is a car I'm heavily considering. I'm thinking if I can get it for 21k it would be a solid deal, CarFax came back clean with plenty of dealer maintenance. I confirmed it has had the Inspection 2 done recently.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/5787036259.html

How big a concern is the rod bearing thing? I was ideally looking to get an 04 or newer but I don't know how common the issue is.

EDIT: I'm just gonna call BMW and see if they can tell me whether the rod bearing service action has been completed on this car. I would be surprised if it hadn't given it's had the Inspection 2 completed.
Ac schnitzer ebrake handle :eyepop: and they even included a picture to prove it

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer

Mr. Apollo posted:

Ac schnitzer ebrake handle :eyepop: and they even included a picture to prove it

Yeah tell me about it. Who needs pictures of the interior when you have high performance parking brake grip.

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer
Now I'm getting myself all worked up looking up e46 sub frame failures. Seem this is primarily an issue with early model M3s 2003 and older. The more I read on the bearing rods and sub frame the more I'm thinking I should limit my search to 2003.5 and later.

Bape Culture
Sep 13, 2006

Popete posted:

Now I'm getting myself all worked up looking up e46 sub frame failures. Seem this is primarily an issue with early model M3s 2003 and older. The more I read on the bearing rods and sub frame the more I'm thinking I should limit my search to 2003.5 and later.

The sub frame mount point is just as likely to fail on all age 46Ms tbf.
The rod bearing oiling issue was "better" but is still flawed. Rebuild bottom end with ARP bits imho if you're doing track driving.
http://www.langracing.com/finding-a-real-solution-to-the-bmw-s54-rod-bearing-failure/
Is a good article to understand it a little.

But it IS worth the ball ache when you're driving it and it's all working!

SuperDucky
May 13, 2007

by exmarx
There are 4 dealers in the Atlanta metro. They're all okay, except, never get parts at United Duluth, those shitheads have never taken less than 40 minutes to get me out of there because their sales and service counter is the same. Do go get parts from Nalley in Decatur, they have dedicated and separate commercial and retail sales people, they once stayed open an extra 15 minutes so I could fight 285 to get a bleeder screw when I really needed one, and they knew me, and my e30 by name/sight.

rscott
Dec 10, 2009

Jackie the Mick posted:

So far, I have a few different options: 1. Have my cylinder head welded and refurbished. $600 2. A used head with complete valvetrain from an e24 forum member. This one is still attached to the engine and needs to be removed/inpected. $600 shipped. 3. A new cylinder head with only valves installed (no cam/springs/rockers/etc...could I use my old ones?) from the same forum member. $600 shipped. 4. Complete cylinder head of of a parts car identical to my own. Same condition as #2, but sold by a random person on Craig's List. $275 + shipping.

Anyone have any thoughts about this?

E34 535i's also used the m30b35, I wouldn't restrict myself to just e24s

Keyser_Soze
May 5, 2009

Pillbug
Nalley is internet savvy for sure and gets good reviews on BImmerfest. I personally bought the extended maintenance for my 2002 E46 from them at a significant savings locals.

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer
Has anyone installed a subframe reinforcement kit on an e46 M3? I'm really close to pulling the trigger on one but the only thing holding me back is the sub frame issue. If I buy a car should I plan to have a reinforcement kit installed? I called my BMW shop and they said they would not do the work so I would have to probably find a body shop.

Am I being overly paranoid about this? I don't plan to track the car.

I had the RTAB pocket rip out of my e36 and that was a nightmare.

TWSS
Jun 19, 2008

Popete posted:

Has anyone installed a subframe reinforcement kit on an e46 M3? I'm really close to pulling the trigger on one but the only thing holding me back is the sub frame issue. If I buy a car should I plan to have a reinforcement kit installed? I called my BMW shop and they said they would not do the work so I would have to probably find a body shop.

Am I being overly paranoid about this? I don't plan to track the car.

I had the RTAB pocket rip out of my e36 and that was a nightmare.

If the shop hasn't done it before it's going to take them so many hours the bill will make you wish you bought a welder and did it yourself.

http://www.redish-motorsport.com/E46M3FloorSubframeCrackRepairReinforcement.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcV2k9NIV-w

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BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm
http://tucson.craigslist.org/cto/5801853700.html

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