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sarmhan posted:Relative is all that matters though. This is from a bit back, but liberal/leftists is actually very much a real thing, as (market) liberalism assumes that freer markets are better until proven otherwise. It only feels like a semantic argument because we've been in liberal orthodoxy since WWII, and that's screwed up how we talk about policies. Ideology are common assumptions made about the goals and aims of government and society. The fact we confuse policies for ideology is part of the reason our political discourse is so awful. E: The overloading of the term liberal for social and economic liberalism is another huge problem. You can't really be "left" on gay rights, you can easily believe in controlled markets while being lovely to gay people. foobardog fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:It's pretty amazing to me how they are still doubling down on this as a strategy, while at the same time downplaying their own candidate's issues with women. They're also doing the worst job imaginable of it.
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Tweak posted:i don't think i'll ever understand how this makes sense to anyone Republicans literally don't see women as people.
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Paradoxish posted:Am I reading this right? Is the Trump campaign planning to march out women who say they were sexually assaulted as pawns in some kind of escalating scumbag war? Really? I think they might just be muddying the waters. If there's a bunch of unproven stuff about Bill, then it makes it harder to attack Trump without physical proof or video.
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Oct 13, 2016 01:41
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theflyingorc posted:That's like worrying about shark attacks This just in: Black people don't need to worry about being unlawfully killed by racism anymore, as its the same thing as worrying about shark attacks!
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Oct 13, 2016 01:41
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While every other news outlet is focusing on Trump, Fox News is running ~emails~ as their top story http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/12/fbi-doj-roiled-by-comey-lynch-decision-to-let-clinton-slide-by-on-emails-says-insider.html
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Tweak posted:i don't think i'll ever understand how this makes sense to anyone That's because your brain isn't wired that way. Authoritarians base their decisions solely on who they perceive to be the most hurtful to their enemies, and they're eating this poo poo up right now.
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foobardog posted:This is from a bit back, but liberal/leftists is actually very much a real thing, as (market) liberalism assumes that freer markets are better until proven otherwise. It only feels like a semantic argument because we've been in liberal orthodoxy since WWII, and that's screwed up how we talk about policies. I guess we're really agreeing here.
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Oct 13, 2016 01:42
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theflyingorc posted:Yes, these people who were shot in Ohio and Miami justify your fear or rural southern hicks Sundown towns are still a thing, dumbass.
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Oct 13, 2016 01:44
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Coheed and Camembert posted:https://twitter.com/JoshuaGreen/status/786345095184338944 Someone should really sit these chucklefucks down in a room and hold a power point presentation that explains that Hillary is the person who is running for the office of President of the United States on the Democratic ticket. Poor things are just so conditioned to attacking Bill Clinton that they just can't grasp the fact that destroying him is around as effective as mounting a national campaign to convince the country that Laura Bush sure is an evil bitch. It's really sad that they've so bought into their outdated ideas of gender and relationship norms that they seem to honestly think that Bill is the power that they need to neutralize. Doubly so since you can see that they're struggling to realize the flaws in their thinking by how very much they hate Hillary for upending their cherished, calcified views.
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I think Breitbart man may be purposefully trying to rip the GOP in two.
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Gyges posted:Someone should really sit these chucklefucks down in a room and hold a power point presentation that explains that Hillary is the person who is running for the office of President of the United States on the Democratic ticket. Poor things are just so conditioned to attacking Bill Clinton that they just can't grasp the fact that destroying him is around as effective as mounting a national campaign to convince the country that Laura Bush sure is an evil bitch. Doubly when she gets elected because of women. Telephones posted:I I mean this is literally a ongoing goal of his yes. He hates the GOPe as much as we do, just from the right.
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gfsincere posted:This just in: Nope, not saying that. But your fear of rural whites is really, really stupid when it's law enforcement, and it's not different based on where you are in the country.
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"We'll accuse our way through to the other side!" ~Trump campaign, Oct 2016
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is this a fair summary of today: Trump might lose Utah. More women come forward, describing Trump as an "octopus" grabbing everything. #repealthe19th trends on Twitter
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theflyingorc posted:Nope, not saying that. But your fear of rural whites is really, really stupid when it's law enforcement, and it's not different based on where you are in the country. Stop whitesplaining.
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FactsAreUseless posted:I've always seen affirmative action as a half-measure, much like most welfare programs. It addresses some problems but doesn't go far enough. But I'd love to hear from someone with more first-hand knowledge. Affirmative action by and large mostly helped white women, as women are considered minorities in the program as they are underrepresented in a lot of workplaces. Why hire a black person when you can still get your diversity numbers up by hiring a white woman? theflyingorc posted:Nope, not saying that. But your fear of rural whites is really, really stupid when it's law enforcement, and it's not different based on where you are in the country. You literally just said that. gently caress outta here.
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sarmhan posted:My point wasn't that there isn't a real ideological divide. It's that it isn't a good way to talk about candidates and policies, especially in America where the non-liberal left is still very marginal. Yeah, but I think even though Sanders is hardly socialist, understanding him with those particular aims of ideology compared to Clinton's liberalism suggests responses for matters they've not commented on or thought about. We don't know everything that will come up in the next four years, and ideology helps us close that gap. The left needs be involved and point things out, not just keep their heads down and get lost in blue team versus red team. E: I guess I'm not really disagreeing, I'm just being Zizekian in my aim to rehabilitate ideology.
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logger posted:Nope the case of Bush v. Gore went in front of the Supreme Court to decide if the Florida ballots that got tossed out should be counted and in a 5-4 decision the case was struck down. JEB! absolutely had a hand in that whole mess.
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It's well known that those two hate each other so it's probably as much a dig at him as anything else.
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Josef bugman posted:Maybe if they set up reasonably close to a big city as a kind of large scale "historical" farm. Over here in Britain we have places like IronBridge that are set up like they were in the victorian era, maybe they could do something similar for early 2000's farming? Hmm, we'll need a name for these farms though, something catchy.... Well, a cute word for small rural settlement is 'hamlet,' that sounds cool and enticing, let's go with it. But we need people to know that these hamlets are well-siited, close to city services but far enough away to feel rural... one could say they are strategically placed even. 'Strategic hamlets,' then. I like it, really rolls off the tongue  similar to mass internal displacement, any plan that calls for putting people into a zoo is a loving terrible plan
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Lightning Knight posted:Hey, you. Yes you. gently caress this opinion. I hope I live long enough so that I can be around in the future phase of civil rights protest where the privileged group complains that these wild thugs should be doing things the right way, like Black Lives Matter and Martin Luther King did.
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Goatman Sacks posted:It's well known that those two hate each other so it's probably as much a dig at him as anything else. it wasn't about hannity
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That feeling when you check Twitter and see #repealthe19th is trending. Granted, I think it was probably a few shitheads and everyone with a brain is retweeting it going "what the gently caress are you morons saying", but WHAT THE gently caress IS GOING ON IN THIS ELECTION THAT THAT IS TRENDING?
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:A sheriff's race in my hometown ended up in an exact tie, and had to be decided by drawing high card from a deck of cards. ok please post a link bc not to be morbid but that sounds fascinating.
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The only reasonable attack on Hillary through Bill is "she helped cover it up/intimidated people/whatever" which like... It isn't what they do. There's never any proof, and even the actual claims are at best weak. ANY other attack on Hillary through Bill is "how dare that bitch stay with her lovely husband" which is not exactly going to win a ton of voters.
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Gyges posted:Someone should really sit these chucklefucks down in a room and hold a power point presentation that explains that Hillary is the person who is running for the office of President of the United States on the Democratic ticket. Poor things are just so conditioned to attacking Bill Clinton that they just can't grasp the fact that destroying him is around as effective as mounting a national campaign to convince the country that Laura Bush sure is an evil bitch. No one needs to tell them that, just like no one needed to tell them to do the bare minimum of oppo research on Trump when competing with him to become the most powerful person on the planet. Let them burn themselves down.
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Mr Hootington posted:it wasn't about hannity I didn't mean overtly
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Gyges posted:I hope I live long enough so that I can be around in the future phase of civil rights protest where the privileged group complains that these wild thugs should be doing things the right way, like Black Lives Matter and Martin Luther King did. Maybe even one day, conservatives will look back on HRC as "one of the good ones".
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Nessus posted:You know, I bet a lot of this is because they think Hillary is just a stalking-horse for Bill. I had an epiphany the other day: in addition to this, it's a HUGE part of why there's this bizarre push for Hillary Clinton being deathly ill.
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Gyges posted:I hope I live long enough so that I can be around in the future phase of civil rights protest where the privileged group complains that these wild thugs should be doing things the right way, like Black Lives Matter and Martin Luther King did. I unironically agree. Hearing people say "BLM never did that!" would be hilarious. Though to be honest I be it will be the gay rights movement that will be legitimized and favored by established history in the future.
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gfsincere posted:You literally just said that. Nope, i didn't. Actual lynchings, not their police equivalent, are exceedingly rare. And you're still a black supremacist rear end (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:is this a fair summary of today: Clinton running up the score in NH and MI. A GOP massacre in the MI downballot would be so sweet.
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Lightning Knight posted:Hey, you. Yes you. gently caress this opinion. Yeah, I know. I support BLM
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LinYutang posted:Clinton running up the score in NH and MI. I really loving wish Snyder were up for election this year, it'd be satisfying to see that rear end in a top hat getting crucified on the altar of poisoning Flint.
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I don't know how effective the "Hillary as a hypocrite tearing Bill's victims down," narrative is. I could see it dampening her momentum or at least serving to dampen turnout among women.
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gfsincere posted:Affirmative action by and large mostly helped white women, as women are considered minorities in the program as they are underrepresented in a lot of workplaces. Why hire a black person when you can still get your diversity numbers up by hiring a white woman? That sounds like a really dumb way to implement affirmative action. I feel like it could still be helpful if it was better designed. If your company is 50% male and 50% female but 100% white I wouldn't call that "diversity." theflyingorc posted:Nope, not saying that. But your fear of rural whites is really, really stupid when it's law enforcement, and it's not different based on where you are in the country. sarmhan posted:People have died, been beaten, and broadly mistreated.
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Lamb Chowder posted:Why are 4 groping stories coming out in the same hour? Is this part of opposition research? I like to think that these media outlets were all prepping their "We found the groped" story and once one of them went live the others were like "Oh poo poo we can't let them scoop us get this out on the presses now go go GO!"
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