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bignose
Mar 21, 2006
fucked up

Grand Fromage posted:

I tried people nearby to see if I could have fun Haier stories of my own but after several days I've concluded it's literally 100% prostitute advertisements. I have found nothing else.

same for Beijing

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Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:

Holy poo poo at the cognitive dissonance of British papers, how does it get so bad?

"Yeah, our universities and our students are some of the best in the world and later go on to do amazing things with their lives. But why can't we be more like this dysfunctional third world country, whose education system has produced jack poo poo in the last two decades? Why can't we be more like them?" :qq:

tbf lots of countries want to emulate the US

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

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Stringent posted:

tbf lots of countries want to emulate the US

Mostly because it's powerful and rich. Sorta. And has incredible soft power as well as hard. People are getting turned off it though.

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
we also make all the good porn so they are very jealous of the unamed country

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


For all you guys who live a life that makes you extremely jaded, cynical, even hostile towards China, there's tons of people who buy the China Is Great narrative sight unseen and do not understand there is nothing worth emulating in all of mainland China.

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
china is a powerful country with allies such as north korea and various african dictatorships

JacksAngryBiome
Oct 23, 2014
There are some Chinese grad students in my lab who spend lunch chewing loudly with their mouth open and wetly smack their lips with each bite. It is loving disgusting.

Is this a cultural thing? All of China? Areas of China? Just these guys?

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

JacksAngryBiome posted:

There are some Chinese grad students in my lab who spend lunch chewing loudly with their mouth open and wetly smack their lips with each bite. It is loving disgusting.

Is this a cultural thing? All of China? Areas of China? Just these guys?

China doesn't have any sort of cultural idea that eating sounds of any sort are gross or rude.

Velisarius
Nov 1, 2009
Good news everyone. 5000 years of civilisation and their most well-known art is thought to be lifted from another culture

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-37624943

quote:

To explain how such an enormous change in skill and style could have happened, Dr Xiuzhen believes that influences must have come from outside China.
"We now think the Terracotta Army, the Acrobats and the bronze sculptures found on site have been inspired by ancient Greek sculptures and art," she said.

I suppose it makes sense in the scheme of Greco-Indian influence in the far east.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

Velisarius posted:

Good news everyone. 5000 years of civilisation and their most well-known art is thought to be lifted from another culture

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-37624943


I suppose it makes sense in the scheme of Greco-Indian influence in the far east.

5000 years of copyright infringement.

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

Haier posted:


Wechat. If you're in the US, Canada, or Australia and near a university of any sort, you'll probably see some Chinese on People Nearby if you use it. You have to go to setting and Features to enable it first, though. If you're white don't expect much. The second they leave China they usually ignore white people because they're everywhere and scary now and they need to be in their protective bubbles with their own kind.


tried this out in Bangkok. No elves, and only one 6 head which was probably a balding ladyboy. Uninstalled. I feel cheated.

Baronjutter posted:

China doesn't have any sort of cultural idea that eating sounds of any sort are gross or rude.

neither does Korea, which as far as I can tell from reading this thread is basically China with American stuff

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


By it's sheer size and emphasis on the sciences, there a lot of impressive Chinese graduate students who study in the West at placed like Carnegie Melon. But if China really had a great education system, those students would be getting their PhDs at Chinese universities instead of going the US.

My girlfriend wasn't able to get into the US because of immigration so came to Canada. She really looks down upon her cousin who got a masters degree at NYU in computer science and then went back to China to get an easy tech job there instead of trying to get into one of the top tech companies in the world in California or New York. She thinks Chinese culture makes the men lazy compared to the women. But that explains why there are so many female Chinese billionaires: http://qz.com/529508/china-is-home-to-two-thirds-of-the-worlds-self-made-female-billionaires/

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Jeoh posted:

paging angel opportunity / the great autismo

i'm on it!

Vegetable posted:

"Do butterfly wings have colours?"

As we know, the beautiful colors of the butteryfly wings is the question of the world history. But do the colors admit? If you search inside yourself, you can to understand the colors of the butterfly wings. What's more, the wings of the butterfly is not the colors of the world but the <<trees standing guard over the street during the colorful life>>; for now to udnerstand the wings of color, can you not imagine it? For China's rise, the wings of the butterfly are the same. The tapestry color of the life is not inside your head, but inside your heart. China have the many years of history, 5,000 or more, and the wings of the butterfly to stretch through the history of colors like red, yellow, red, white and so on. Can you feel the movement of the wings, the color in the movement, and the life for hte wings to create? Well, yes. Because of this,we can feel it.As ancient famous Chinese man Chang Shi says, <<Only in the color of the eye can the heart know the autumn's foilage>>. For such civilization and to the rise of glorious China, we can know the butterfly having the color in the wings, as we all feel the wings movement deep inside the heart of the itself, and the wings have the color so the butterfly can know it has the color of the wings on the butterfly wings. Finish.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


JacksAngryBiome posted:

There are some Chinese grad students in my lab who spend lunch chewing loudly with their mouth open and wetly smack their lips with each bite. It is loving disgusting.

Is this a cultural thing? All of China? Areas of China? Just these guys?

Pretty normal in China and Korea, to the point where I've tried to explain to students that when they go to the US they need to not do this and some cannot understand how it's possible to eat quietly.

There are even situations where being loud and slurping and stuff are considered polite. But sometimes I've also had Koreans deny that anyone eats loudly in Korea and say it's very rude even if we're in a restaurant surrounded by people slurping and it turns into one of the Asia twilight zone things

fish and chips and dip
Feb 17, 2010

nickmeister posted:

Isn't the "Shanghai school system" thing British articles have been raving about actually a system for teaching math a few teachers from Shanghai invented? You know, rather than actually the way they teach in Shanghai?

As for the whole "word salad" thing in essays, I've heard Chinese essays tend to be graded on how many 4-character "chengyus" (idioms) that are used.

Part of the secret of the Shanghai school system is to keep below average students away from taking the standardized tests which determine school quality/level like PISA.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Those reports also usually accept the test scores uncritically. Even if you believe standardized test scores are useful, they're usually fake numbers.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

People who think the chinese school system is superior are the sort of people who think chinese economic management is superior because "look at these official GDP statistics and growth projections!"
A lot of people uncritically eat up chinese propaganda and this idea that the west needs to do away with a lot of our silly political and labour rights if we want to "get things done" like glorious china does.

THE PWNER
Sep 7, 2006

by merry exmarx

Haier posted:

1 Buddhist that believes in fairies and wants to travel to northern Europe because she thinks fairies are common and everyone up there believes in them like she does.

you had such a good opportunity to gently caress with this person

Tupperwarez
Apr 4, 2004

"phphphphphphpht"? this is what you're going with?

you sure?

Baronjutter posted:

A lot of people uncritically eat up chinese propaganda and this idea that the west needs to do away with a lot of our silly political and labour rights if we want to "get things done" like glorious china does.
Most people and pundits who cheer for "X with Chinese characteristics" almost always have a hard-on for authoritarianism. They would probably be singing praises to Putin too, but he's probably too blatantly Mafia for their delicate sensibilities.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

fish and chips and dip posted:

Part of the secret of the Shanghai school system is to keep below average students away from taking the standardized tests which determine school quality/level like PISA.

well, you have to test into high schools to begin with, and then you have to pay to attend there, and the better student you are, the less you pay. so everyone will want to attend like Shanghai Number 1 High School, and all the best students will apply, and they will take the best of the best. then they will train these best students specifically for PISA tests or SAT tests or whatever, they will spend hours upon hours preparing for these tests. then they will select a few of the best schools in Shanghai to take them. so of course their test scores are going to be highest.

it would be like if you went to NYC and took only the elite private schools, or the DC area, like Gonzaga and Thomas Jefferson and Madeira, and trained the kids hours upon hours daily for the exams. then the USA's scores would be through the freakin' roof. but we don't do that yet because it's dumb and a gigantic waste of time

fish and chips and dip
Feb 17, 2010

Tupperwarez posted:

Most people and pundits who cheer for "X with Chinese characteristics" almost always have a hard-on for authoritarianism. They would probably be singing praises to Putin too, but he's probably too blatantly Mafia for their delicate sensibilities.

I see plenty of people commenting on FB and news articles saying how Putin is a great leader smeared by western propaganda, and how whatever country they live in should be more like Russia.

Tupperwarez
Apr 4, 2004

"phphphphphphpht"? this is what you're going with?

you sure?

The Great Autismo! posted:

it would be like if you went to NYC and took only the elite private schools, or the DC area, like Gonzaga and Thomas Jefferson and Madeira, and trained the kids hours upon hours daily for the exams. then the USA's scores would be through the freakin' roof. but we don't do that yet because it's dumb and a gigantic waste of time
Don't some charter schools do similarly shady things though? Like straight up expelling low-performing students to keep their numbers up? US education has enough problems to deal with already without a maniacal obsession with testing.

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

JacksAngryBiome posted:

There are some Chinese grad students in my lab who spend lunch chewing loudly with their mouth open and wetly smack their lips with each bite. It is loving disgusting.

Is this a cultural thing? All of China? Areas of China? Just these guys?

It's normal in China to smack your lips and chew with your mouth open. I'm willing to bet there are some Mainlanders who think it is impossible to eat without making a bunch of hideous noise. The women are better than the guys but that's sometimes like saying Otis Toole was better than Henry Lee Lucas.

There was a Chinese run pulled noodle place near my apartment in Queens which was in the middle of a minor Chinatown. Tons and tons of no-English FOB guys and girls there. The noodle place eventually relocated to a larger space but initially it was one table and a bar along the outside windows. I loved to eat there but there was always a chance someone would sit down who was so loving disgusting that I'd have to carry my noodles away to another seat. A lot of the time I'd be starting on my noodles and the prototypical Booger From Revenge Of The Nerds But Chinese would come in and go up to the counter and start screaming his order to the lady who was two feet away from him. It was like a race at that point to get my noodles eaten before he could sit down and loving ruin it.

One time I was in there eating and a ~24 year old guy was playing five second bursts of Justin Beiber videos at full volume to his gelled hair buddy and I made an overly loud comment about that being "girl music" to the girl I was in there with and he got super pissed -- he didn't do anything of course but he looked absolutely furious. Another time a 45 or so year old guy sat just to my right and started making sounds with his noodles like he was boiling ping pong balls and guacamole in his face somehow so I started imitating him and making pig sounds and he got pissed off too. I went in there knowing this poo poo was likely but sometimes it was just so egregious that I'd lose it.

There was a Vietnamese place nearby too and they had tables for four along the edge and three big round tables for eight down the middle. They did a great job and their prices were really good so they were at 70% capacity pretty much every hour they were open and I probably ate in there more than a hundred times. The only issue is that they were very insistent that if you came in on your own you had to sit at one of the round tables that would be the singles space -- like they would flat out tell you No if you asked to move to another table and tell you to go back to the round table if you moved on your own. The longest span I had with not eating there was when I came in one day and was waiting for my food when they sat a big slob of a Chinaboy down near me. I'd ordered some bun which takes a little while to come out, the pho comes out almost instantly. This fat gently caress ordered the pho and just started loving horking it, sucking a fist sized ball of noodles up and then dropping it down his face back into the bowl, and after a while I had to move to another table and despite the place not being super busy at the moment and me having been a weekly regular for years they started right away with the "You go back to table!" poo poo and I nearly lost it at them. I remember pointing at the guy and saying "I can't take it! It's disgusting!" Didn't come back in for a few months maybe -- there was another Vietnamese place within shouting distance and the food was 90% as good so I shifted to there.

raton fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Oct 13, 2016

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
I mean I find it gross too but you guys realize there's really nothing actually wrong with chewing with your mouth open right? It's just cultural differences.txt. For all the mocking of Chinese people's dumb hangups, this is basically the same thing.

e: exception being if they spit on you while they're doing it which is legitimately rude as gently caress

Ceciltron
Jan 11, 2007

Text BEEP to 43527 for the dancing robot!
Pillbug

Koramei posted:

I mean I find it gross too but you guys realize there's really nothing actually wrong with chewing with your mouth open right? It's just cultural differences.txt. For all the mocking of Chinese people's dumb hangups, this is basically the same thing.

Sure there is. Chewing with your mouth open makes it really hard to have conversation and increases the likelihood you'll dump a mouthful of half-chewed food all over yourself/the table.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
I'm with you on the dumping thing but how is it harder to have a conversation with your mouth open than with it literally shut and unable to speak

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
Once when I worked in China they had a big dinner for all the schools staff in a hotel dining space. During the dinner a guy seated about two feet away from me leaned back over his chair and spat a huge yellow oyster looking wad of phlegm right onto the beat up red carpet, then just turned back to the table and continued eating.

One other thing I saw at that meal that I'd never seen before was people smoking while they ate and drank, kind of all at once, so it was just this random selection of cigarette smoke, Harbin brand beer, or Chinese food getting shoveled into their gullet at any time. I'm sure someone will reply to this and say "no they do that in other places" and maybe they go but as usual with that comment and China the difference is the degree to which China takes it. I mean taking a loving drag while you're chewing and your other hand is searching out your weird little glass of beer.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Sheep-Goats posted:


There was a Chinese run pulled noodle place near my apartment in Queens which was in the middle of a minor Chinatown. Tons and tons of no-English FOB guys and girls there. The noodle place eventually relocated to a larger space but initially it was one table and a bar along the outside windows. I loved to eat there but there was always a chance someone would sit down who was so loving disgusting that I'd have to carry my noodles away to another seat. A lot of the time I'd be starting on my noodles and the prototypical Booger From Revenge Of The Nerds But Chinese would come in and go up to the counter and start screaming his order to the lady who was two feet away from him. It was like a race at that point to get my noodles eaten before he could sit down and loving ruin it.

One time I was in there eating and a ~24 year old guy was playing five second bursts of Justin Beiber videos at full volume to his gelled hair buddy and I made an overly loud comment about that being "girl music" to the girl I was in there with and he got super pissed -- he didn't do anything of course but he looked absolutely furious. Another time a 45 or so year old guy sat just to my right and started making sounds with his noodles like he was boiling ping pong balls and guacamole in his face somehow so I started imitating him and making pig sounds and he got pissed off too. I went in there knowing this poo poo was likely but sometimes it was just so egregious that I'd lose it.



rofl

Ceciltron
Jan 11, 2007

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Pillbug

Koramei posted:

I'm with you on the dumping thing but how is it harder to have a conversation with your mouth open than with it literally shut and unable to speak

It's the sound. The sound of eating drowns out anything but shouted conversation. Table manners where people don't talk with their mouths full or chew with their mouths open allows for much less noisy conversation and greater privacy in public.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Koramei posted:

I mean I find it gross too but you guys realize there's really nothing actually wrong with chewing with your mouth open right? It's just cultural differences.txt. For all the mocking of Chinese people's dumb hangups, this is basically the same thing.

e: exception being if they spit on you while they're doing it which is legitimately rude as gently caress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRl6o83uSBs

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Ceciltron posted:

It's the sound. The sound of eating drowns out anything but shouted conversation. Table manners where people don't talk with their mouths full or chew with their mouths open allows for much less noisy conversation and greater privacy in public.

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH HOW IS YOUR FOOD IS IT DELICIOUS?

fish and chips and dip
Feb 17, 2010

Koramei posted:

I mean I find it gross too but you guys realize there's really nothing actually wrong with chewing with your mouth open right? It's just cultural differences.txt. For all the mocking of Chinese people's dumb hangups, this is basically the same thing.

e: exception being if they spit on you while they're doing it which is legitimately rude as gently caress

The way I see it, if they do it in China it's ok (still gross) as it's part of their culture and it's not hurting anyone and it's not inherently rude. If they do it abroad in the US or Europe, then calling them out and shaming them for it is ok as they should respect the culture of the place they are at (as if lol).

Ceciltron
Jan 11, 2007

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Pillbug

The Great Autismo! posted:

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH HOW IS YOUR FOOD IS IT DELICIOUS?

Memories of New Years/Spring Festival.

Uncle: Exhales a cloud of cigarette smoke and shoves some jiaozi in his mouth "EAT! EAT! CHI!" Gesticulates madly at the table covered in delicious food.

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

Koramei posted:

I mean I find it gross too but you guys realize there's really nothing actually wrong with chewing with your mouth open right? It's just cultural differences.txt. For all the mocking of Chinese people's dumb hangups, this is basically the same thing.

e: exception being if they spit on you while they're doing it which is legitimately rude as gently caress

No there is something wrong with it. It's how children eat if they don't know better. It shows a lack of either care for those around you or a lack of development in basic eating habits. I can put up with Japanese people dutifully slurping noodles but with Mainlanders it's full bore bodily process on display and amplified without concern for others. It's loving orcish and gross and it's not just with noodles. The lip smacking, tipping your head back so you can yell around the food in your mouth like some kind of deranged strangling crow, slurping loving coffee instead of drinking it, snot gargling &c goes way off the charts all the time and it's literally like eating next to loving pigs.

Koramei posted:

I'm with you on the dumping thing but how is it harder to have a conversation with your mouth open than with it literally shut and unable to speak

Are you serious?

You eat for a while. Then talk for a while. You do not talk at the exact moment your mouth is eating. This is something I was taught when I was six.

raton fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Oct 13, 2016

Sten Freak
Sep 10, 2008

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College Slice

Koramei posted:

I mean I find it gross too but you guys realize there's really nothing actually wrong with chewing with your mouth open right? It's just cultural differences.txt. For all the mocking of Chinese people's dumb hangups, this is basically the same thing.

e: exception being if they spit on you while they're doing it which is legitimately rude as gently caress

Except it's disgusting. Animals chew with their mouths open. It's literally one of the things that separates man from beast, like making GBS threads in the open, what a shocker.

Sten Freak fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Oct 13, 2016

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Sheep-Goats posted:

No there is something wrong with it. It's how children eat if they don't know better. It shows a lack of either care for those around you or a lack of development in basic eating habits. I can put up with Japanese people dutifully slurping noodles but with Mainlanders it's full bore bodily process on display and amplified without concern for others. It's loving orcish and gross and it's not just with noodles. The lip smacking, tipping your head back so you can yell around the food in your mouth like some kind of deranged strangling crow, slurping loving coffee instead of drinking it, snot gargling &c goes way off the charts all the time and it's literally like eating next to loving pigs.


Are you serious?

You eat for a while. Then talk for a while. You do not talk at the exact moment your mouth is eating. This is something I was taught when I was six.

hahahahhahahhahha lol

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

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Koramei posted:

I mean I find it gross too but you guys realize there's really nothing actually wrong with chewing with your mouth open right? It's just cultural differences.txt. For all the mocking of Chinese people's dumb hangups, this is basically the same thing.

e: exception being if they spit on you while they're doing it which is legitimately rude as gently caress

I guess the answer to that is it's a western thing to make fun of people who chew with their mouth open.

Also chewing with your mouth open makes noises that many people find gross. There's really nothing wrong with making low moaning noises when you walk or breathing really loudly through your mouth and i forget where this argument is going but you know what I mean.

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Sten Freak posted:

Except it's disgusting. Animals chew with their mouths open. It's literally one of the things that separates man from beast, like making GBS threads I'm the open, what a shocker.

making GBS threads on warm day on the side of a hill in the shade of a large tree with a magnificent view is amazing and I don;t care if it means I'm an animal.

Outrail fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Oct 13, 2016

Ceciltron
Jan 11, 2007

Text BEEP to 43527 for the dancing robot!
Pillbug

Sten Freak posted:

Except it's disgusting. Animals chew with their mouths open. It's literally one of the things that separates man from beast, like making GBS threads I'm the open, what a shocker.

Also this unironically.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.

Outrail posted:

I guess the answer to that is it's a western thing to make fun of people who chew with their mouth open.

Yeah, basically. I don't like it either. But there's not actually anything wrong with it.

This feeling of disgust you all have about lip smacking, remember it the next time someone yells at you for being a dipshit in their eyes, because it's what they feel too.

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Ceciltron
Jan 11, 2007

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I refuse to believe that the ancient culture that developed fuckin rituals for making tea and specific grammar for presenting petitions to bureaucrats did not have a phase where they sat down and thought "Ok, what's a good way to make eating complicated" and just didn't do something.

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