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wedgekree posted:Voting for the Catapault design and for the Schiltron Proposals for our main fleet component. The combination of stand off artillery and a dedicated pure escort craft will make for effective fleet engagements. The enemy won't be able to close the distance to engage while getting shot up, and the escorts can shoot down anything targeted at them. Yup
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I'm going to vote Liberator, Srivatsa and Pinaka, with the caveat that we transition away from the Srivatsa to the Huscarl once our situation becomes more tenable and we require a stronger scouting force.
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Theantero posted:I dislike the nuMoO Silicoids because their advisor has rocktits. loving rocktits. What the hell? Everything has tits, now. Snakes, rocks, whatever - if you can make it look vaguely like a human female slap some tits on there because Jesus Christ is this really the best we can do? The fanservice is real.
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Let's just say that if we encounter the Silicoids, I will studiously ignore the rather dubious design choice of their advisor being recognisably female, because, uh, they're rocks.
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The Davy Crockett and the Pirkata have my votes. Don't have a strong preference for the PD Frigate.Freudian posted:Silicone implants. 
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 I googled some screenshots of nuMoo silicoids and they look like a fairly decent adaptation of their MoO1 selves, the ones in 2 are kinda... Odd. I mean, odder. Than living volcanoes. Somehow.
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Rappaport posted:
To be honest, all those early (and remade) Silicoids creep me the gently caress out. My first contact were the alien-looking crystal-beings of the third game. Those look reasonable, the others at best make me chuckle because they look so silly in comparison.
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OK, we'll be going with the Davy Crockett and Pinaka proposals, with the next vote between the Schiltron and Huscarl serving as tiebreaker for the escort.
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Oct 12, 2016 19:24
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Oct 12, 2016 19:26
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Right, then. I'll finish up the last few years of playing through the update now.
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Oct 12, 2016 19:28
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I still think that fleet composition has nowhere near enough PD against Bulrathi missile swarms 
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So for science I opened up a new game on a medium map and made sure the Bulrathi and a mix of aggressive and passive races were on it. Sure enough, the Bulrathi declared war on their neighbor earlier than anyone else did (by a whole turn, but whatever). I guess since the last time I had them as a close neighbor a few patches have come through and made them far more aggressive than I remember. Sorry about that. Our fleet might not have a massive amount of PD, but we should be able to throw the Bears out. The problem is, will they bring in reinforcements?
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Krumbsthumbs posted:The problem is, will they bring in reinforcements? Glorious Red Bear is always having the reinforcements, comrade!
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The Red Tide of War In 2382, the Archer, which had been dispatched to scout out the system where the Bulrathi pirates were believed to be, detected a huge fleet of nine Imperial warships headed towards Warikomi. The Archer's report immediately raised alarms amongst the Human Republic's Joint Chiefs of Staff, who could see no reason for such a strong military force to be dispatched there except as a prelude to war. The legislature and President agreed with the Joint Chiefs' assessment, and immediately acted to put the Republic on a war footing in the hopes of resisting a superior foe. The Archer was ordered back to Mihr, in the hopes of reinforcing the border defenses before the Bulrathi struck.  By 2387, the Imperial forces were a mere year out, with the Archer close behind them. It seemed, unfortunately, the Archer would be late to the battle.  A year later, the Bulrathi Empire formally delivered their declaration of war, deporting the embassy staff from the Human Republic on Bulra.    The Bulrathi fleet bore down on the border fortifications, while the Arbalest moved to offer supporting fire. Although the fortifications were able to direct accurate fire at a significantly higher range than the mobile vessels, the odds seemed hopeless.   Each Bulrathi vessel mounted five missile tubes for nuclear missiles, and although one Bulrathi vessel was sunk and two more took heavy damage from the the outpost and from the Arbalest, the battle was nonetheless over almost before it began. The outpost foundered, lost with all hands under an overwhelming torrent of nuclear fire, while a badly-damaged Arbalest managed to engage its FTL drives for a desperate escape before a volley of missiles that would surely destroy it arrived.   While the Arbalest made its escape, limping back to Earth, the Bulrathi forces engaged the Archer as it arrived at Mihr. The Archer unleashed a single volley of its own missiles, nearly crippling an already-damaged Bulrathi vessel, but the outcome was inevitable. The Archer was destroyed, while the Bulrathi regrouped and prepared for an advance on Paradise, which was blockaded by the surviving Imperial ships in 2390. Under the blockade, Paradise suffered, cut off from any access to Earth. Still, the Bulrathi vessels were poorly-equipped for ground attack, and Paradise remained reasonably safe for the time being.   By 2393, half the blockading fleet had departed from Paradise to return to the Bulrathi Empire, with four ships still maintaining the blockade. A new band of pirates had apparently established itself beyond the Republic's borders in the chaos, as another pirate vessel was detected in that year, eventually being wiped out easily by the Bulrathi fleet in 2396 while causing no damage.   Meanwhile, the frantic sponsorship of new research by the Republic's military back on Earth had borne fruit in a deeper investigation of the exotic properties of magnetism and in a new generation of space engineering. Better control of the equipment needed for manufacture of neutron cannon allowed for a wider variety of neutron cannon design, while the use of electromagnetic deflection to shunt aside energy and light particles around a ship promised to make ships significantly more resilient against hazards and hostile action. Meanwhile, the ability to manufacture combat-ready spaceframes on a larger scale promised to allow new, more powerful warships to challenge the Imperial Fleet, while high-quality tracking and vectored thrust allowed for the development of effective kinetic kill vehicles to intercept enemy missiles in flight.     Two new warship designs were immediately approved and placed into production by the Human Republic Space Fleet, while a third was reserved for future construction. The new Huscarl class of escort frigate, designed to offer anti-missile protection and scouting capability with minimal offensive firepower, was used as the template for an immediate refit of the Arbalest's hull, while construction of the Davy Crockett, a powerful space control cruiser relying on a turret mounting paired heavy neutron cannon, began on Earth. The Pinaka class of counter-piracy frigate was concieved as a replacement for the Archer class with better protection, although development of a fleet to challenge the Bulrathi in space was by far the more pressing priority. The Human Republic and Known Space as of 2400   The loss of Bulrathi trade and the blockade of Paradise have proven severe blows to the Human economy, although internal development of Earth's economy has helped offset this loss. Four ships of the Bulrathi Imperial Fleet remain on station over Paradise, with the location of the remainder of their fleet unknown. It is believed that the Bulrathi Empire has launched new colonisation to the hostile worlds in systems near Ursa, although direct confirmation is difficult, while the Werner von Braun continues its mission of exploration with a renewed sense of risk that Bulrathi vessels might hunt it down.     Earth's population has grown to over nine billion, with both heavy industry and R&D expanded from two decades ago. The massive reorganisation of Earth's economy pushed by the adoption of new business standards has completed, resulting in a wave of prosperity that cushioned Earth's slump when trade with the Bulrathi was cut off by war. A massive military station serving as the central headquarters for Space Fleet and a strongpoint station armed with a heavy array of missiles have helped establish fortifications which would hopefully keep Earth safe, while construction of the Davy Crockett is underway at Earth's shipyards. A second vessel of the class, the Hugh Glass, is slated for future production- some members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff believe that the Arbalest, Davy Crockett, and Hugh Glass should be sufficient to drive the Bulrathi from Paradise. Pollution has been steadily accumulating on Earth, resulting in reasonably heavy smog over many of its cities and other evidence of contamination. This increases our Command Points from 10 to 15. Command Points are needed to support ships and military outposts, with every Command Point over the budget costing us a whopping 20 TC. We can see our current Command Point budget as '5/15' at the top of the screen- we are using 5 of our total 15 Command Points, and thus have room for fleet expansion.  The prosperity and growth anticipated on Paradise twenty years ago has largely failed to materialise, with an abortive attempt to establish local defenses interrupted by the arrival of the Bulrathi, its trade with Earth cut off, and the people living in a constant dull pall of fear about the alien vessels orbiting their world. Still, the people of Paradise endure, in hopes that they will be rescued.  A wide array of potential research stands open to Humanity's scientists, of either military or civilian application.   The distant system of Zhardan was surveyed by the Werner von Braun over the past years, revealing that further FTL conduits were too unstable and hazardous to navigate. Zhardan Prime, the body orbiting Zhardan of the most interest, is a world with a thin inert nitrogen-dominant atmosphere and searing temperatures, only truly survivable around the polar regions. There is a modest quantity of liquid water trickling through the rocks and sand about the poles, while about the equator any water that condenses at night boils away in the noon heat. There is no native life on Zhardan Prime, but the polar regions would be reasonably hospitable to hardy colonists. Proposals for the People of the Republic Crash Industrial Expansion Increased war taxes could drive a shift from R&D to heavy industry to try and accelerate construction of the Space Fleet's new warships, regardless of economic and ecological cost. Such a shift would shave two years total off the estimated completion date of the Hugh Glass, leaving aside the acceleration possible from later crash assembly of the components that have been slowly stockpiled over the past years. Please vote on whether to temporarily shift one population unit from research to industry. We will buy out the Hugh Glass when we have the money, but this may bring that day sooner. Please note that this will double the rate at which pollution is accumulating while this is active. Military and Security Appropriations Many people argue for continued war appropriations even after the completion of the Hugh Glass, in an effort to gain the advantage over the Bulrathi. Laying down the keel of the Huscarl to escort the other ships of the Space Fleet, the commission of a third Davy Crockett class space control cruiser, or the establishment of an intelligence agency to thwart any Bulrathi espionage and sabotage and to prepare to take the fight to Bulrathi worlds have all been discussed, although these will even further delay future colonisation, Please vote between a Huscarl escort, a Davy Crockett space control cruiser, a Spy Agency, or a colony ship to follow completion of the Hugh Glass. Research Priorities It seems likely that Humanity has a firm technological edge over the Bulrathi, although the Joint Chiefs of Staff would be more comfortable with an even stronger advantage, while many of the civilian population, tired of the burdens of war, hope for developments that may make life easier and more prosperous. Study into advanced chemical engineering methods may well lead to refinements in existing nuclear missile technology while helping provide new emissions control methods that could reduce the impact of pollution on Earth. Resumed study of advanced biotechnology is likely to be of little immediate benefit, but could help allow for ambitious future projects of ecological engineering and possible future medical breakthroughs. Continued development of corporate R&D departments could help accelerate future research, while development of drive systems capable of taking advantage of fusion reactors could allow for faster, more efficient space travel. Military interests, meanwhile, have focused on the development of the strategic methods and military infrastructure needed to launch invasions on a planetary scale, or continued development of theoretical physics. Continued study of electromagnetism and the ability to induce paramagnetic effects even in neutrons could have notable applications in weapons technology and industry, while the first crude studies into the use of electron/positron annihilation pairs in computing applications may also be coupled with development of massive fusion warheads effective against stationary targets. Please vote between Molecular Manipulation, Biotechnology, Private Funding, Advanced Fusion, Military Tactics, Neutron Physics, or Positron Physics for our next research goal. Goals after the next in the coming update will be assigned according to runners-up. The Relief of Paradise The Joint Chiefs of Staff are eager to launch a relief expedition to Paradise once the Hugh Glass is completed. The legislature, however, could order Space Fleet to hold back until it has been further reinforced- some people believe a second escort frigate could make a critical defensive difference. Please vote on whether to launch a relief expedition with three or four ships. Humanity faces its greatest crisis since the Blights, but, with luck, the Human Republic may yet survive. Let us hope the future is kind to Humanity.
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Industrial Expansion, Davey Crocket, Molecular Manipulation and, while it surely pains us to force humans to endure longer under alien threat, Await the 4th starship before freeing Paradise. The rest of the Bulrathi navy is out there, Better to wait and minimise losses than lose half the fleet and then have the Bulrathi come by with the rest of their fleet and pull the same trick at Earth.
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Assuming we survive this, I imagine we'll have a lot more rp posts that are jingoistic in tone, and a general caution around new aliens.
I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Industrial Expansion, Davy Crockett, Molecular Manipulation, Launch with Three. We need to send a message to these thrice-damned ursinoids, and taking out four of their vessels with three of ours will be loud and clear. They're threatening our people, and must be driven off at the earliest opportunity. The Human Republic will always extend an open hand, but if we are forsaken, we must close it into a fist swiftly and deter such foolishness. We are peaceful in intent, but we are not doormats.
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On an entirely unrelated note: anybody can think of any trapper or frontiersman from any country's history with any notorious stories of killing bears? Davy Crockett and Hugh Glass need a friend.
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Yamamoto Heikichi
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Excellent; the third Davy Crockett class vessel will be the Yamamoto Heikichi.
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Citizens of the Republic, humanity is in crisis. We have been betrayed by those who would feign friendship, been overrun on what was a peaceful border, and are now besieged in our own homes. This cannot stand. If humanity is to survive, we must grow strong. If humanity is to grow strong, we must make sacrifices. Our strength has always been in our industry and spirit of innovation, our open-mindedness and acceptance of those unlike ourselves. Our strength has failed us. Perhaps, someday, our children may once again face the wonders of the galaxy with peace in their hearts and outstretched hands, but this can no longer be us. The fate of this generation is war, facing the galaxy with steel in their hearts and rifles in their hands. We must find a new strength, that of blood and iron, of might, of the ruthless pragmatism of survival. We allowed our strengths to blind us to our weaknesses. We have forgotten how to fight, we have forgotten the ways of those who came before, we have forgotten how to survive when civilized methods fail. Our whole society must pivot to fight the largest conflict mankind has ever known, no matter the cost, because the alternative is extinction or enslavement. The light of liberty must be protected NOW, to the last breath, lest it fade forever. We must build, we must strike, we must relearn the ways of those warriors who came before us. And above all, we must survive. No matter the cost. -Senator Lyle Walker, January 3rd 2400 (Industrial expansion, Huscarl, Military Tactics, wait on the 4th ship to relieve Paradise)
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On a moderately-related note, my great-grandfather ran into an adult bear in the woods and was so terrified by the experience that he lost the ability to speak for a year. On the bright side, it did help for some very realistic playing dead.  e: If we're building a Huscarl, wait. If we're building a Davy Crocket, go early. Industrial expansion, Huscarl, molecular manipulation
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(Wait what's the logic behind voting for molecular manipulation our fleets don't use missiles and pollution isn't a pressing problem yet? Unless I'm wrong about what a tech does again)
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Crash industrial expansion Huscarl Military Tactics Wait 4th ship The only acceptable outcome of this war is total annexation of the bear people. Keep producing ships and later invasion troops and take their homeword.
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Crazycryodude posted:(Wait what's the logic behind voting for molecular manipulation our fleets don't use missiles and pollution isn't a pressing problem yet?) (Merculite missiles are a really drat good, and would present a second opportunity for more missile-heavy designs in addition to massively improving our defensive structures)
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That, and our industrial expansion is starting to make pollution a long-term issue. Filtering pollution will help us sustain levels of industry that would eventually bite us in the rear end. Plus it's a prerequisite for other nice things.
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Sure but those are more long-term benefits I figure we'll want to be able to invade first.
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Crazycryodude posted:Sure but those are more long-term benefits I figure we'll want to be able to invade first. Don't underestimate the improvement to defensive structures. It would mean that the Earth is 100% safe, even with our fleet busy elsewhere, and we could rely on newly built defensive installations to do a much better job holding the line in case our fleet is lost in a battle with the Bulrathi.
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Crazycryodude posted:(Industrial expansion, Huscarl, Military Tactics, wait on the 4th ship to relieve Paradise) This.
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If, hypothetically speaking, the Bulrathi nuked our colony in Paradise to bits, could that damage the planet like it does in MoO3, or does this game behave more like MoO2 and not track that?
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Mzbundifund posted:If, hypothetically speaking, the Bulrathi nuked our colony in Paradise to bits, could that damage the planet like it does in MoO3, or does this game behave more like MoO2 and not track that? I'm not sure whether surface bombardment leaves pollution. It seems like leaving pollution would be a sensible thing for it to do, but I just don't know.
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nweismuller posted:I'm not sure whether surface bombardment leaves pollution. It seems like leaving pollution would be a sensible thing for it to do, but I just don't know. That's a shame. Persistent damage to planets was one of the better things Master of Orion 3 came up with. Both bombardment and prolonged intensive ground combat can slowly make a world more and more hostile over time. Even the planet's graphics change to show how the world is slowly getting turned into a ruined hell! (And terraforming can slowly reverse the damage, so it's not a constant annoyance.)
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(EDIT: Couldn't see the update; thought the problem was on nweiss's end but it was on my side.)
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Andy Waltfeld posted:Can't see any of the update. Did you hit your Photobucket data limit? I don't have a traffic limit on Photobucket. I shelled out to remove it for my first LP. Try reloading? E: Glad you got that fixed, and thanks for reading. I appreciate people getting some enjoyment from what I do.  Hah, it's been a slightly expensive hobby, between my image hosting account, buying a screenshot capture program that actually worked for Alpha Centauri, buying myself a platinum account, and so on, but hey, it's worth it.
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Huscarl, Molecular Manipulation, Industrial Expansion, 4th Ship. While we could theoretically take the Bulrathi wit three ships, we'd likely lose at least one or two and they can hit us at least a few turns later with the rest of their frigate force and we're in the same exact position. Paradise is under blockade, not threat (they don't have any ship with bomb racks) so we don't have to worry on it for the immediate future. WE want to be able to secure it, not take casualties and then have to flee again when the Bulrathi bring reinforcements. Earth is for the moment safe - the Bulrathi aren't going to take out a starbase backed by a missile defense system, so we should be good for now. Shields will give us a good advantage when it comes to defense, and I feel that another escort ship will mean we can engage the Bulrathi almost at will and survive and hit them hard back. Assuming they've gone for a crash program of dumping all thier construction assets into first generation ships, if we can deal wtih their entire fleet we should be golden to fortify the region and then ready to go on th eoffensiev.
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nweismuller posted:On an entirely unrelated note: anybody can think of any trapper or frontiersman from any country's history with any notorious stories of killing bears? Davy Crockett and Hugh Glass need a friend. One of the ships of the class needs to be the Theodore Rosseveldt.
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nweismuller posted:On an entirely unrelated note: anybody can think of any trapper or frontiersman from any country's history with any notorious stories of killing bears? Davy Crockett and Hugh Glass need a friend. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hwqdQ0SkjQ
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I'm actually dead certain there's probably some Russian that fits the bill, although I'd be looking for historical figures, not Street Fighter characters.
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