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I have Linux as the primary OS in my boot menu so Windows' automatic reboot functionality is especially cool for me. I wish it rebooted every day.
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I have Windows 10 Home. Are you guys telling me there's no way to do it without spending the £170 for Pro?
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Captain Fargle posted:I have Windows 10 Home. Are you guys telling me there's no way to do it without spending the £170 for Pro? You could disable the Windows Update service, but yes - Microsoft has gotten really heavy handed with that poo poo and it's annoying as hell.
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Walked posted:You could disable the Windows Update service, but yes - Microsoft has gotten really heavy handed with that poo poo and it's annoying as hell. Okay. So how do I go about disabling the Windows Update service? Is it some kind of irreversible, super damaging thing?
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Captain Fargle posted:Okay. So how do I go about disabling the Windows Update service? Is it some kind of irreversible, super damaging thing? http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...dc232252?page=2 Follow the last post here. It shouldnt be super damaging if done as described, no.
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Walked posted:http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...dc232252?page=2 This seems extremely helpful. Thank you.
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You're definitely not alone in that. I love using windows 10, but after the latest upgrade nuked a bunch of my settings and re-installed every garbage default app that I meticulously culled, I went and disabled windows updates in every way I could. Would rather have an unsecured computer that works than one that fights me every step of the way.
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Is there a way to stop Windows 10 from waking up my computer in the middle of the night to try and fail to restart for updates? Unrelated second question: is there a way to specify executables to be run when Windows 10 starts up?
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Oct 12, 2016 17:29
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Jewel Repetition posted:
Same way as always: put a shortcut (or the exe itself) in the startup folder. Find that by opening the run dialog and typing shell:startup
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Captain Fargle posted:I have Windows 10 Home. Are you guys telling me there's no way to do it without spending the £170 for Pro? I've found that disabling the reboot task is the most convenient method and seems to work reliably based on the couple months I've used it. With this method Win10 installs the updates in the background, but doesn't reboot the computer. You could even consider it better than Win7 since it doesn't even nag you about reboots. Not sure if it works quite as smooth on home version. How to permanently stop Windows 10 reboots after installing updates
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Saukkis posted:I've found that disabling the reboot task is the most convenient method and seems to work reliably based on the couple months I've used it. With this method Win10 installs the updates in the background, but doesn't reboot the computer. You could even consider it better than Win7 since it doesn't even nag you about reboots. Not sure if it works quite as smooth on home version. Oh! This sounds even better! Thank you. You folks have been a huge help.
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And really, don't worry everyone. I'm sure Microsoft will get it right next time.
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Saukkis posted:I've found that disabling the reboot task is the most convenient method and seems to work reliably based on the couple months I've used it. With this method Win10 installs the updates in the background, but doesn't reboot the computer. You could even consider it better than Win7 since it doesn't even nag you about reboots. Not sure if it works quite as smooth on home version. Haha hell yeah
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Captain Fargle posted:Hey folks. I realise that there isn't actually an option for this anywhere but if someone could tell me what kind of technical trickery I need to do in order to turn off loving goddamned Windows Update I would really loving appreciate it. I put my active hours from 21 to 9 on my home pcs (the ones at danger of waking up when I am sleeping) and am lucky enough that apparently my work proxy blocks windows update on my work laptop so in order to make it see work updates I need to turn it on when I am at home. Oh no, I am not going to write to IT any time soon about that issue.  I also left some nastygrams on Windows feedback for the same problems of pcs waking up at night, I am happy that I am not the only one pissed off about the new Windows update. Seriously, what the hell Microsoft, I know that you hate me because I dislike the xbox one and made many jokes about the choice of ram on the internet, but seriously, the loving auto update poo poo does not work even if you tell him to wake up and install poo poo at 11:00 by using their obtuse interface when you are out of home or something. 
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Looks like a recent Windows update broke internal webcams on all of our HP machines in every program except Windows' bult-in Camera app. Chrome, Firefox, Edge, even third party apps like YouCam - nothing (unless you pull the video through Flash (edit: and then only sometimes)). Camera app? No problem. Sheep fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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Oct 13, 2016 14:49
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GPEdit.msc has all the windows update functionality a pro would need. I set mine back to windows 7 style, tell me when there are updates but that is all! You people that are SO loving MAD at windows auto updating need to change to the Pro version so you can actually control the OS the way you want.
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It's probably a good thing that Windows auto updates itself now but it probably shouldn't be auto restarting itself. Still been a good experience so far though.
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Oct 13, 2016 17:54
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You're all reaping what you sow. All of you dumbasses who put off updating Windows until it's too late, who constantly ignored warnings, who kept using Windows 7 RTM in 2015. Windows isn't loving around anymore, and since you're too fussy to swallow the pill you're getting your medicine rectally. You brought this upon yourselves.
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Windows autoupdated itself without prompt (was already running 10, but it still created a windows.old folder) and deleted everything in my downloads folder. It also reenabled Cortana and set IE as default browser, but that's less of a deal. canis minor fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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Segmentation Fault posted:You're all reaping what you sow. All of you dumbasses who put off updating Windows until it's too late, who constantly ignored warnings, who kept using Windows 7 RTM in 2015. Windows isn't loving around anymore, and since you're too fussy to swallow the pill you're getting your medicine rectally. You brought this upon yourselves. Yes....When I try to solve social problems with technology I jump to ICBMs with nuclear payloads to cure homelessness, too.
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Segmentation Fault posted:You're all reaping what you sow. All of you dumbasses who put off updating Windows until it's too late, who constantly ignored warnings, who kept using Windows 7 RTM in 2015. Windows isn't loving around anymore, and since you're too fussy to swallow the pill you're getting your medicine rectally. You brought this upon yourselves. Agreed. There is no reason to disable Windows Updates unless you pirated your copy or you have decided that you don't mind getting owned at some random point in the future. If Windows Update is breaking an application you're using, then complain to your lovely vendor.
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OSI bean dip posted:Agreed. There is no reason to disable Windows Updates unless you pirated your copy or you have decided that you don't mind getting owned at some random point in the future. Like Microsoft who is continually breaking the product it updates? I mean, rewriting the camera subsystem and disabling long-standing features without telling end users its coming or giving the vendors time to test is completely on Logitech, right? Arsten fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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Oct 13, 2016 21:18
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Arsten posted:Like Microsoft who is continually breaking the product it updates? I mean, rewriting the camera subsystem and disabling long-standing features without telling end users its coming or giving the vendors time to test is completely on Logitech, right? Don't use lovely cameras. Disabling Windows Updates to fix your camera issue is like stopping your immune system to prevent the symptoms of your cold.
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OSI bean dip posted:Don't use lovely cameras. Actually, it was every camera app, except Microsoft's. So, not using making GBS threads camera software wasn't an option. OSI bean dip posted:Disabling Windows Updates to fix your camera issue is like stopping your immune system to prevent the symptoms of your cold. Edit: Oh, but hey, at least you keep getting signature updates for Microsoft's built in antivirus! 
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Oct 13, 2016 21:30
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OSI bean dip posted:Don't use lovely cameras. I doubt they are using an old parallel port webcam or something ridiculous like that. USB2 cameras are pretty ubiquitous these days. Microsoft has been really bad about deploying updates/upgrades which break things lately. When that is paired with pushing them so aggressively, bad things happen.
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The camera thing was a strange one - Microsoft knew that they were making a change in how cameras worked, and also knew that they couldn't support H.264 initially. I think they'd have done well to announce the change when it was released to the Insider channel to encourage testing on it, rather than the build receiving a bit of an easy life as a VM that gets booted now and then. Hopefully they've learned from it.
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Thanks Ants posted:The camera thing was a strange one - Microsoft knew that they were making a change in how cameras worked, and also knew that they couldn't support H.264 initially. I think they'd have done well to announce the change when it was released to the Insider channel to encourage testing on it, rather than the build receiving a bit of an easy life as a VM that gets booted now and then. Hopefully they've learned from it. The camera one was strange in that it wasn't a random system black screen on bootup, which has been getting more common since the Windows 8.1 update. They really need to dual-channel their updates like they used to. One could be "Security Updates" and the other "Features" where you can install/update features at a more leisurely pace. Probably too high a bar, these days, though.
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Also even though my touchpad on my 2005 Toshiba is a Synaptec and you can install the latest update through windows updates, doesn't mean I want to install the latest that does not work with the touchpad scroll like the older driver that does work since this is a pre multitouch touchpad and their new driver just doesn't work/crashes every time you try to adjust settings. But no, Windows Update will not let me keep the driver because it is old and they have a newer one. (newer, not better in any way on this hardware). All attempts at keeping that driver from auto updating have failed as well. Now in the preview program builds on the same laptop, since it rocks the old but goodie Intel GMA945 chip, something changed in the 149xx series that killed pretty much all WDDM 1.0 based graphics rendering so everything Win 10 UI is just white boxes and completely useless. I can understand to some small level the Webcam issue, but to break pretty much all this older but perfectly fine with Windows 10 hardware from being usable at all with the main OS and all the newer UI changes is sort of a bad idea to extreme levels. You forced said update on all this "compatible" hardware, are you really going to now force break all of them with you're special snowflake "Redstone 2" update? Or are you going to keep said hardware from receiving the update for some subpar reason (since you can still see everything normally using the Generic Microsoft Display Driver and it's software mode.) Very strange indeed.
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Microsoft's forced updates have forced me to flatten and reinstall twice in the last three months. I am -in theory-in favor of forced updates, but they need to have way better internal testing before they let these things out in the wild. There's something rotten in the state of Redmond if this sort of thing keeps happening. Updates should make your system more stable, not less.
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OSI bean dip posted:Don't use lovely cameras. How about when you have a 3x3 video wall that runs from a PC with three $400 Nvidia NVS 510 graphics cards, and the Windows 10 Oct 10th update causes the PC to go into a bluescreen boot loop with all versions of the video driver, new and old? Got a solution for me, fucker?
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But then I can't run Candy Crush on it.
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Zero VGS posted:How about when you have a 3x3 video wall that runs from a PC with three $400 Nvidia NVS 510 graphics cards, and the Windows 10 Oct 10th update causes the PC to go into a bluescreen boot loop with all versions of the video driver, new and old? Got a solution for me, fucker? Yeah, submit a ticket to nVidia and/or Microsoft.
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Zero VGS posted:How about when you have a 3x3 video wall that runs from a PC with three $400 Nvidia NVS 510 graphics cards, and the Windows 10 Oct 10th update causes the PC to go into a bluescreen boot loop with all versions of the video driver, new and old? Got a solution for me, fucker? Your video wall can't access the internet, isn't running a consumer edition of Windows, and you pipe all the updates through WSUS, so this isn't a problem.
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Arsten posted:Enabling Windows update is like sleeping unwrapped with a prostitute every night. You never know whether you'll catch hepatitis or HIV. your a bitch (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Segmentation Fault posted:your a bitch I've been insulted. On the internet. By a poster with poor opinions. Verily, I am injured.
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Every time Windows updates itself I get a toast popup that says "Hey we're gonna update your computer next time you shutdown/restart, or in your inactive times [which is like 3am-8am]". Does it not do this for other people? I'm totally happy with that, especially if I think I'll be using the computer during that time (For some God forsaken reason) I can tell it to hold off. I don't get massive focus stealing popups and it's never restarted while I'm doing anything. So I actually think it's a good way to make people update; anecdotally my family needs this poo poo or they'd never update, so forcing it in inactive times or at shutdown/restart works well.
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Arsten posted:I've been insulted. On the internet. By a poster with poor opinions. you compared disabling a critical part of information security to preventing the spread of STDs, you have no license to say I have poor opinions
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syntaxfunction posted:Every time Windows updates itself I get a toast popup that says "Hey we're gonna update your computer next time you shutdown/restart, or in your inactive times [which is like 3am-8am]". Does it not do this for other people? I'm totally happy with that, especially if I think I'll be using the computer during that time (For some God forsaken reason) I can tell it to hold off. I don't get massive focus stealing popups and it's never restarted while I'm doing anything. So I actually think it's a good way to make people update; anecdotally my family needs this poo poo or they'd never update, so forcing it in inactive times or at shutdown/restart works well. The problem is that some people leave the computer on doing things. Maybe you're installing Gentoo in a VM or encoding that porn you and significant other made. At a random time that is considered "inactive" (even if the CPU use is high and even if there is active user use via mouse and keyboard) it will look for, find, and install updates and then reboot. Depending on the update, this can be while you stepped away to go tend to a crying child while doing, say, taxes. And then, because this wasn't great, they added "inactive hours" which is a simple 12 hour block of time it won't restart. Most peoples' schedules vary, so if they do 8-20 as their "active" time but then start their computer when they get home at 22, they might find 20 minutes later that the system is rebooting on them. I get it. People were lovely about updates. But all that's going to happen is people are going to go to Google with each update, find out the powershell command or series of clicks to go through to disable it or "Run this program, brah" and it'll be back to how Windows XP in China was and updates will stop happening, again. Segmentation Fault posted:you compared disabling a critical part of information security to preventing the spread of STDs, you have no license to say I have poor opinions And if you think that 0-day windows updates are critical to Information Security, you have no license to think anyone's opinions are poor. You cannot solve a social problem with technology. The users will get around it. So you either want actual security, in which case you can see the flaws inherent in Windows' update strategy or you want to punish people for what you consider bad, in which case you are foolish. Arsten fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Oct 14, 2016 |
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Arsten posted:It's a metaphor that OSI Bean Dip started. I simply extended it to properly reflect how Windows update actually functions. I think that talking about prostitutes in such a light speaks volumes about you as a person. I'm telling you that turning off Windows Update because you have terrible expectations for vendor compatibility is a terrible opinion. I never once mentioned "0-day" here because I actually have an understanding of information security. If you yourself did you would not advocate such a dumbass idea.
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