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Criminal Minded posted:He's probably too busy watching a Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids marathon or something. I assume Cormac McCarthy is just silently brooding over glasses of extremely high-proof home-distilled whiskey. Brady Bunch, according to his sister he's obsessed with it and Star Trek original series. Or a Godzilla movie.
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Franchescanado posted:Brady Bunch, according to his sister he's obsessed with it and Star Trek original series. Or a Godzilla movie. TOS is good and now I can have Pynchon back me up on that
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I think all or nearly all of his novels have Star Trek references so that's no surprise. I know Brady Bunch gets name-checked in Bleeding Edge.
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Same with Godzilla. Most of his books mention it in at least a passing reference, sometimes as whole digressions. I'm re-reading Inherent Vice with my girlfriend, and there's a great passage about a movie called Godzilla On Gilligan's Island where the professor creates a lasergun out of coconuts to kill the monster.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Man I am not down with this stupid bullshit It's alright, Mel. He's only bleeding.
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Franchescanado posted:Pynchon turns 80 next year and is probably going to pass away before he wins, as if they'd consider him. I have no idea which article i read this in, but allegedly members of the committee aren't fond of the "direction of American literature" which the article & source implied was more or less "they don't like Pynchonian zaniness"
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I'm at the bookstore reading Suttree and I'm still salty af at this dumb nonsense
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I hate old people.
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nessin posted:So I've been reading books with the theme (personal selection wise) of writings that have had an actual notable impact on the world but I'm running low on the list I made up for myself and am wondering if anyone here can offer up some suggestions. I do mean actually made a notable impact, as a singular work, not just added to a cultural lexicon or inspired future writings (for example, Shakespeare's works,1984 or Moby Dick). Also not including works which were critical to our understanding of history and shaped future works, but themselves didn't really offer much beyond a philosophical view (such as the Iliad and Odyssey). Also excluding the major religious texts (Bible, Qu'ran, Bhagavad Gita, etc...). What I've read or still have yet to read so far: Blood On the Tracks, Bob Dylan
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Nice one.
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Burning Rain posted:apropos of nothing, is there anything i really should read of delillo that would change my mind, if i thought that White Noise was sterile and boring? like, i'd read munro's latest book before the nobel win and thought it was meh, but last year i got to THe lives of girls and women, which really was great, so i'm willing to give Mr. Don another chance. try point omega, its short and great (i found it much better than white noise)
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I would be amazed if PO changed your mind on Delillo, but I've been amazed before.
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Tree Goat posted:if you didn't like white noise i don't think you will like any of his other books. you could try underworld i suppose, but if you thought white noise was sterile then i think you'd find underworld to be an autoclave. Don't read Underworld. I liked White Noise and found it to be too long and too boring for my tastes.
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Libra was a pretty decent DeLillo book, but I found Underworld to be overblown and turgid (after an admittedly great prologue about baseball).
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Hey so I know Murakami chat passed me by but I really liked Underground and I was wondering if you goons would recommend any investigative-type books like that? Underground was delightful fwiw, not standard Murakami fare but still I liked it (be advised I like Murakami novels though, so my judgement is probably suspect)
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Chamberk posted:Libra was a pretty decent DeLillo book, but I found Underworld to be overblown and turgid (after an admittedly great prologue about baseball). I did like the prologue but it was a separate book
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Finished At Swim-Two-Birds. What a rad book. Probably gonna read Paul Beatty's White Boy Shuffle, or Andrey Kurkov's Death and the Penguin next. Anyone read either of those and have opinions?
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Death and the Penguin was the first thing I read this year and I liked it. I can't remember exactly why now, though, but I do remember that it's really funny.
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Death and the Penguin is really good. Pretty darn quick to read too.
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thehoodie posted:Finished At Swim-Two-Birds. What a rad book. I blasted through that and The Third Policeman back to back about a year ago, which mostly left me with the dual impressions that O'Brien may be the funniest writer in English and also that he may have been rather seriously mentally unwell.
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Song lyrics aren't literature.
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Shibawanko posted:Song lyrics aren't literature. Finally, a hot take.
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Shibawanko posted:Song lyrics aren't literature. 
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Shibawanko posted:Song lyrics aren't literature. They are now
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I'm with Shibawanko. It's mildly offensive.
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Im glad bob Dylan won the Nobel prize and im even gladder they'res ppl mad about it
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Shibawanko posted:Song lyrics aren't literature. Just like the vast majority of medieval poetry, then
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Ya, you've got it. The ranking is, from worst to best: text that's meant to be read to music (song lyrics); text that's meant to be read aloud (some poetry, speeches); text that's meant to be read by yourself (good poetry, books); text that's unpronounceable out loud (The Recognitions by William Gaddis(no one knows how to say Wyyat Gwyon)).
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Criminal Minded posted:I'm at the bookstore reading Suttree and I'm still salty af at this dumb nonsense I really like Cormac McCarthy, but Suttree fuckin' sucks
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mdemone posted:I blasted through that and The Third Policeman back to back about a year ago, which mostly left me with the dual impressions that O'Brien may be the funniest writer in English and also that he may have been rather seriously mentally unwell. How did you come to the conclusion he was seriously mentally unwell?
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Mr. Squishy posted:text that's unpronounceable out loud This is also medieval poetry tho
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Shibawanko posted:Song lyrics aren't literature. Neither is prose and yet here we are
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99% of poetry is designed to be read aloud. If you rank poetry by how likely it is to be read aloud that's dumb af lol
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J_RBG posted:Just like the vast majority of medieval poetry, then i'll cut you open
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chernobyl kinsman posted:i'll cut you open Nah, medieval poetry is cool and good, as are songs
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My favorite Bob Dylan poem: Advice for Geraldine on her Miscellaneous Birthday stay in line. stay in step. people are afraid of someone who is not in step with them. it makes them look foolish t’ themselves for being in step. it might even cross their minds that they themselves are in the wrong step. do not run nor cross the red line. if you go too far out in any direction, they will lose sight of you. they’ll feel threatened. thinking that they are not a part of something that they saw go past them, they’ll feel something’s going on up there that they don’t know about. revenge will set in. they will start thinking of how t’ get rid of you. act mannerly towards them. if you don’t, they will take it personal. as you come directly in contact face t’ face do not make it a secret of how much you need them. if they sense that you have no need for them, the first thing they will do is try t’ make you need them. if this doesn’t work, they will tell you of how much they don’t need you. if you do not show any sadness at a remark such as this, they will immediately tell other people of how much they don’t need you. your name will begin t’ come up in circles where people gather to tell about all the people they don’t need. you will begin t’ get famous this way. this, though, will only get the people who you don’t need in the first place all the more madder. you will become a whole topic of conversation. needless t’ say, these people who don’t need you will start hating themselves for needing t’ talk about you. then you yourself will start hating yourself for causing so much hate. as you can see, it will all end in one great gunburst. never trust a cop in a raincoat. when asked t’ define yourself exactly, say you are an exact mathematician. do not say or do anything that he who standing in front of you watching cannot understand, he will feel you know something he doesn’t. he will react with blinding speed and write your name down. talk on his terms. if his terms are old-fashioned an’ you’ve passed that stage all the more easier t’ get back there. say what he can understand clearly. say it simple t’ keep your tongue out of your cheek. after he hears you, he can label you good or bad. anyone will do. t’ some people, there is only good an’ bad. in any case, it will make him feel somewhat important. it is better t’ stay away from these people. be careful of enthusiasm…it is all temporary an’ don’t let it sway you. when asked if you go t’ church, always answer yes, never look at your shoes. when asked you you think of gene autry singing of hard rains gonna fall say that nobody can sing it as good as peter, paul and mary. at the mention of the president’s name, eat a pint of yogurt an’ go t’ sleep early…when asked if you’re a communist, sing america the beautiful in an italian accent. beat up nearest street cleaner. if by any chance you’re caught naked in a parked car, quick turn the radio on full blast an’ pretend that you’re driving. never leave the house without a jar of peanut butter. do not wear matched socks. when asked to do 100 pushups always smoke a pound of deodorant beforehand. when asked if you’re a capitalist, rip open your shirt, sing buddy can you spare a dime with your right foot forward an’ proceed t’ chew up a dollar bill. do not sign any dotted line. do not fall in trap of criticizing people who do nothing else but criticize. do Not create anything. it will be misinterpreted. it will not change. it will follow you the rest of your life. when asked what you do for a living say you laugh for a living. be suspicious of people who say that if you are not nice t’ them, they will commit suicide. when asked if you care about the world’s problems, look deeply into the eyes of he that asks you, he will not ask you again. when asked if you’ve spent time in jail, announce proudly that some of your best friends’ve asked you that. beware of bathroom walls that’ve not been written on. when told t’ look at yourself…never look. when asked t’ give your real name…never give it.
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J_RBG posted:Just like the vast majority of medieval poetry, then An oral tradition that was written down is not the same as pop and rock lyrics. Most Old English alliterative poetry was most likely told rhythmically so it was easier to remember in the absence of paper and pen. There's also usually a narrative of some kind, King Horn doesn't just go on for 5 minutes about how he's going to kick the rear end of the Saracens with a chorus and refrain.
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Shibawanko posted:An oral tradition that was written down is not the same as pop and rock lyrics. Most Old English alliterative poetry was most likely told rhythmically so it was easier to remember in the absence of paper and pen. There's also usually a narrative of some kind, King Horn doesn't just go on for 5 minutes about how he's going to kick the rear end of the Saracens with a chorus and refrain. I don't really know why having a narrative would make something more or less literary.
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Shibawanko posted:An oral tradition that was written down is not the same as pop and rock lyrics. Most Old English alliterative poetry was most likely told rhythmically so it was easier to remember in the absence of paper and pen. There's also usually a narrative of some kind, King Horn doesn't just go on for 5 minutes about how he's going to kick the rear end of the Saracens with a chorus and refrain. shut up
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Hot drat, A Brief Story of Seven Killings is bloody great, thanks to whoever recommended it a few months back when I was browsing the thread.
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