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xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Acceleration and hills have the biggest effect on economy. So never stop, and always go downhill.

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Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




xzzy posted:

Acceleration and hills have the biggest effect on economy. So never stop, and always go downhill.

yeah. about that.

https://www.distancesto.com/route-elevation/ca/medicine-hat-to-airdrie/history/500729.html

The lesson here is never live in the highest elevation city in Alberta.

clam ache
Sep 6, 2009

xzzy posted:

Acceleration and hills have the biggest effect on economy. So never stop, and always go downhill.

Thou Shall Never Lift

Dr. Garbanzo
Sep 14, 2010
Getting to work everyday generally doesn't use much petrol for me as it is mostly 80km/h down a mountain. The getting home part kills it though where I end up burning through a 1/5th of a tank. Maximum range most of the time is 500-530km even when trying to conserve fuel. I hope I get a job one day that doesn't involve traipsing all the way down a hill and back up at the end of the day

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Jonny Nox posted:

Good options. All good options.


I mean I just bought more gas. Seemed like the fastest way to get home.

I thought about driving economically, but then I forgot to.

Sensible choice.

In Australia (and other places possibly), vehicle rules punish automakers if their speedo reads lower than road speed, at all, but as high as 14km/h over road speed is fine. Result: every speedo in a new-delivery vehicle reads about 10% over your road speed. Aside from this being terrible on its own, it means that your fuel computer reports better mileage than you're really getting and your odometer and trip meters read high compared to real distance. So if you have 100km road distance and 100km computed fuel range, you will run out of fuel with about 10km to go.

E: Oops. Yes, I said things the wrong way around. Hopefully amended.

IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Oct 13, 2016

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


IPCRESS posted:

Sensible choice.

In Australia (and other places possibly), vehicle rules punish automakers if their speedo reads high, at all, but as low as -15% is fine. Result: every speedo in a new-delivery vehicle reads 10% under. Aside from this being terrible on its own, it means that your fuel computer reports better mileage than you're really getting and your odometer and trip meters read high compared to real distance. So if you have 100km road distance and 100km computed fuel range, you will run out of fuel with about 10km to go.

I don't know if that's an urban legend or what, but I had a rental car in Queensland and the speedo definite read slightly high, conformed with GPS. If everyone's speedo read 10-15% low, the cops would have a field day pulling over everyone who thought they were doing the indicated limit. And knowing how tight the police there are about speeding, I don't see that being the case.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Finger Prince posted:

I don't know if that's an urban legend or what, but I had a rental car in Queensland and the speedo definite read slightly high, conformed with GPS. If everyone's speedo read 10-15% low, the cops would have a field day pulling over everyone who thought they were doing the indicated limit. And knowing how tight the police there are about speeding, I don't see that being the case.

I think he means the opposite. The speedo may show 100KM/H but you are actually doing 90.

From the Australian Design Rule (via RACQ):

quote:

Before 1 July 2006

The accuracy of vehicle speedos is covered by Australian Design Rule (ADR) 18.

For vehicles manufactured before July 2006:

An accuracy of +/- 10 percent of the vehicle’s true speed was needed when a vehicle was travelling above 40km/h. This means if a vehicle was travelling at a true speed of 100km/h, the speedo was allowed to indicate a reading between 90km/h and 110km/h.
An odometer accuracy of +/- 4 percent was also a requirement.
After 1 July 2006

From 1 July 2006 all newly introduced models of a vehicle available on the market must comply with ADR 18/03:
The speedo must not indicate a speed less than the vehicle’s true speed or a speed greater than the vehicle’s true speed by an amount more than 10 percent plus 4 km/h.
The speedo must always read 'safe', meaning the vehicle's true speed must not be higher than the speed indicated by the speedo. So if a vehicle travelling at a true speed of 100km/h, the speedo must read between 100km/h and 114km/h. Another way of looking at this is if the speedo indicates a speed of 100km/h, the vehicle's true speed must be between 87.3 km/h and 100km/h.
There is now no requirement to have an odometer, and so there is no accuracy requirement.
https://www.racq.com.au/cars-and-driving/safety-on-the-road/driving-safely/speedo-accuracy

I used to know a LOT about those rules when I had a fleeting idea of importing the K1 Attack as a kit car production here. It did include a lot of sketchy international phone calls to Eastern Europe and UK. I gave up.

This car:

Humphreys fucked around with this message at 11:33 on Oct 13, 2016

Dr. Garbanzo
Sep 14, 2010
I thought it was supposed to be no more than 5 % under what it's indicated speed is. I know mine is doing 76km/h when the needle is at 80 and so far having it sit on 85 hasn't caused the cops to pull me up on it at all.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Dr. Garbanzo posted:

I thought it was supposed to be no more than 5 % under what it's indicated speed is. I know mine is doing 76km/h when the needle is at 80 and so far having it sit on 85 hasn't caused the cops to pull me up on it at all.

There's all sorts of fuckery and I don't trust a Speedo until I have tested it versus a GPS with at least 6 satellite links.

EDIT: onboard speedo can be screwed by tyre wear or having different diameter wheels than stock.

my girlfriend is Legos
Apr 24, 2013

I looked this up and the Wikipedia article is goddamn amazing.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


my girlfriend is Legos posted:

I looked this up and the Wikipedia article is goddamn amazing.

Hahaha, I haven't read up on it for many years, but this sounded AI worthy:

quote:

Now Prince Fuad Faresi Abboud is spending great amounts of money in modifying the body of the K-1 Attack and completely changing the drivetrain by putting a Formula 1 suspension and drivetrain from Honda into the K-1, and calling it the F1 Faresi, capable of doing the 1/4 mile in 7.9 seconds, making it faster than the Bugatti Veyron which does it in 9+ seconds, according to Bugatti.

big dong wanter
Jan 28, 2010

The future for this country is roads, freeways and highways

To the dangerzone
The actual ADR that applies to speedos is +-10%. in reality its allways reading high; the fun thing is you can get done by a speed camera for less than the legal manufacturer tolerance on your speedo.


e) stupid multi tab life

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


really stuck up there posted:

The actual ADR that applies to speedos is +-10%. in reality its allways reading high; the fun thing is you can get done by a speed camera for less than the legal manufacturer tolerance on your speedo.


e) stupid multi tab life

Trying to argue ADR (if even in the right) to your average cop in Queensland though is like talking to a brick wall.

Wolfsbane
Jul 29, 2009

What time is it, Eccles?


Needs a picture of the front:



with the top of the shocks coming through the loving bonnet.

e: I checked their site, and yes, you fill it with fuel through the other hole in the bonnet.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Wolfsbane posted:

Needs a picture of the front:



with the top of the shocks coming through the loving bonnet.

And THAT was a big problem I was trying to figure out before getting the deal. I just figured I could make fibreglass 'domes over them. ADR really was hard on pedestrian safety.

EDIT: gently caress, now this trip down memory lane makes me want to go through the poo poo and get one of them finally. Audi V8 :getin:

Humphreys fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Oct 13, 2016

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


That car's in the wrong thread.

hot sauce
Jan 13, 2005

Grimey Drawer
I stay pretty up to date on stupid auto fads, but this one is new to me. What is up with the front wheel?

Humbug
Dec 3, 2006
Bogus

hot sauce posted:

I stay pretty up to date on stupid auto fads, but this one is new to me. What is up with the front wheel?



Drift modification for more lock to go more sideways

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
More steering angle for bigger drifts. The pro FD cars all seem to be trending toward very wide front tracks and the ability to steer the front wheels close to 90 degrees.

hot sauce
Jan 13, 2005

Grimey Drawer
Oh, that makes sense. I thought it may have been something like hellaflush camber for aesthetics only.

donut
Feb 4, 2001

hot sauce posted:

Oh, that makes sense. I thought it may have been something like hellaflush camber for aesthetics only.
I'm sure the "race-inspired cosmetic enhancement" people are working on it as we speak. In 5 years all show cars will have rear wheels with so much camber they're sideways in one plane and front wheels steered so far they're sideways in another.

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

Seeing the civic type R up the page reminded me I got an email a week or so ago about the new civic type R coming to America. I have a 2015 Si now, so I figured I'd take a look.

Truly terrible car stuff is having a civic type R only available in a sedan. VW got ahead of them by eliminating the 2 door GTI here already, which should be the only option available.

NoWake
Dec 28, 2008

College Slice
I'm short as poo poo and I hate driving 2-doors based on a 4-door chassis. My seat is set forward 6 inches so I can reach the pedals and the B pillar is set back an additional 6 inches, and it makes for a really awkward reach to the seatbelt hanging a foot behind my left shoulder. That said, it was my choice to get the 2-door when I saw it, because 2-doors = sports car.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Couldn't get a picture because I was driving, but I saw a lifted econoline van. It was dumb.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
If it was 4wd (yes, this is a thing, look up Quigley conversion vans) it's far from dumb.

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

iospace posted:

Couldn't get a picture because I was driving, but I saw a lifted econoline van. It was dumb.

Was it 4x4? If so.... not dumb

e: damnit, that's why I shouldn't take 10 minutes to click reply

randomidiot fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Oct 14, 2016

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Could be worse, could be a Dodge van based RB44, which is both 4x4 and, apparently, universally terrible and loathed by every camo-clad Brit who had to drive or work on one:

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

kastein posted:

If it was 4wd (yes, this is a thing, look up Quigley conversion vans) it's far from dumb.

The Quigley vans are very popular with some beach crowds. Definitely very cool and capable vehicles.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

hot sauce posted:

Oh, that makes sense. I thought it may have been something like hellaflush camber for aesthetics only.

I thought it was just loving broken.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Memento posted:

I thought it was just loving broken.
It's a drift car, just wait a few minutes.

DarkSol
May 18, 2006

Gee, I wish we had one of them doomsday machines.

slurry_curry posted:

In Seattle? Because there is a yellow(i think?) yugo that has been around maple leaf forever and I still see it driving around from time to time.

No, I'm out in Virginia. If I see it on one of my runs again, I'm definitely going to have to stop and try to snap a picture of this thing.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


kastein posted:

If it was 4wd (yes, this is a thing, look up Quigley conversion vans) it's far from dumb.

It may have been. Never seen a lifted van before and it was in the suburbs of Milwaukee, so I figured it was some dudebro showing off.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry

InitialDave posted:

Could be worse, could be a Dodge van based RB44, which is both 4x4 and, apparently, universally terrible and loathed by every camo-clad Brit who had to drive or work on one:



Then there were the US CUCV series which were all Dodge Ram pickup chassis back in the 70s and early 80s and Chevy diesel pickups and Blazers in the mid-80s. All of them were poo poo.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Humphreys posted:

Trying to argue ADR (if even in the right) to your average cop in Queensland though is like talking to a brick wall.

This is probably the case in most places under an english system. Speeding is generally a strict liability offense, meaning that you just have to be speeding, not know you are speeding.
Otherwise, Mr. Cellphone driver could just say he was texting and his foot slipped and make him do 30 over.

OTOH, Australia seems to have the dumbest speed limit laws and cameras with almost no margin of error with is both predatory and bad public policy.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


nm posted:

OTOH, Australia seems to have the dumbest speed limit laws and cameras with almost no margin of error with is both predatory and bad public policy.

This is the reason I stick to every speed limit and am super cautious driving in my city. There is NO leeway. I actually got pulled over once indicating into the local car parts store to buy a new brake light. Got a ticket for brake light being out. Look copper, I was literally there, to buy a light. Nope, have a ticket!

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


NoWake posted:

I'm short as poo poo and I hate driving 2-doors based on a 4-door chassis. My seat is set forward 6 inches so I can reach the pedals and the B pillar is set back an additional 6 inches, and it makes for a really awkward reach to the seatbelt hanging a foot behind my left shoulder. That said, it was my choice to get the 2-door when I saw it, because 2-doors = sports car.

It's as bad in some 2 doors, my 88 Supra has the belt on the b pillar which is a good 12" behind you. I'm 6'1" and it's a long reach for me so lord knows how a tiny Japanese person managed. They'd have to grab the belt before they stepped into the car...

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Olympic Mathlete posted:

It's as bad in some 2 doors, my 88 Supra has the belt on the b pillar which is a good 12" behind you. I'm 6'1" and it's a long reach for me so lord knows how a tiny Japanese person managed. They'd have to grab the belt before they stepped into the car...

The Japanese cars had little plastic clips on the side of the front seats to keep the belts handy


Of course they usually broke off...

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


That seat is also pushed right back on the rails, there's leg space there for someone 7' tall easily.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
How about the seatbelt setup on every 15-pax van? The inside is a hellscape of belts and plastic clips crisscrossing each other in an impenetrable web.

As the months go on and people try to be "helpful" and "fix" the setup, it only gets worse. I guarantee that, six months in, at least eight people can't even find their belts anymore because the buckles are gone or the plastic clips on those little bungee cords have been removed. Putting on the belt means garrotting the person behind them.

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Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


dissss posted:

The Japanese cars had little plastic clips on the side of the front seats to keep the belts handy


Of course they usually broke off...

Some Jap cars had that. My previously posted poo poo car Sera didn't have them. I am 6'2 and fit in the thing with seats all the way back. GFs younger sister loved the car and wanted me to drive her and her friends to school. They took the 'you won't fit' message the wrong way. No room at all in the rear. It was a terribly inconvenient car including the boot space. Also one of the rear hatch struts decided they didn't like the mount and slip out and smash that expensive to get glass.

I drove it for a month with no glass on the rear before an unrelated defect caused it to be deregistered. Funnily enough that friend I mentioned that collected them (which I towed mine to). Her brother came into my work today on a contract and turns out she ditched all of the Seras (3 that I know of) about a year ago.And now has a Nissan Patrol. Good girl.

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