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Ched did nothing wrong.
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Oct 14, 2016 15:48
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Apart from cheating on is girlfriend but she forgives him so it's okay.
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Oct 14, 2016 15:49
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I always thought it was weird that the dude who was having sex with the girl at the same time as Evans was acquitted in the first place, while Evans was convicted. I hope you enjoyed my hot take on the Ched Evans saga.
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Oct 14, 2016 16:04
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blue footed boobie posted:I always thought it was weird that the dude who was having sex with the girl at the same time as Evans was acquitted in the first place, while Evans was convicted. I hope you enjoyed my hot take on the Ched Evans saga. I thought this as well but then I know gently caress all about the case besides that
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Oct 14, 2016 16:24
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julian assflange posted:I thought this as well but then I know gently caress all about the case besides that Apparently the reasoning was that the other guy spent enough time with the girl that night to believe that she wasn't too drunk to consent. But Evans just snuck in through the window and started loving, so he couldn't say the same.
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Oct 14, 2016 16:33
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julian assflange posted:I thought this as well but then I know gently caress all about the case besides that She went to the hotel willingly with the friend although while drunk. Ched turned up later and went into the room to have sex with her then left via a fire escape which is why the friend didn't get convicted
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Oct 14, 2016 16:52
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blue footed boobie posted:Apparently the reasoning was that the other guy spent enough time with the girl that night to believe that she wasn't too drunk to consent. But Evans just snuck in through the window and started loving, so he couldn't say the same. https://twitter.com/TooManyEmmas/status/786927569740394496 Drunken consent is still consent according to the trial judge.
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Oct 14, 2016 17:00
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ultrabindu posted:https://twitter.com/TooManyEmmas/status/786927569740394496 I'm only talking about the first trial. Is there any other source for the drunken consent thing, though? Major news sources aren't reporting it.
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Oct 14, 2016 17:06
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In terms of where that came from, presumably it's directly from the court report or from someone sat in the public gallery. Consent is made out to be very complicated but it isn't. From the Sexual Offences Act 2003: quote:Rape and quote:“Consent” (c) above is what saved Clayton McDonald - he could reasonably believe he'd spent some time with her, she'd gone back to a hotel room with him and they'd started having sex, and even if she later felt that she was unable to consent it wasn't unreasonable for him to believe that she did. For Ched the important bit is the "capacity" bit. Drunken consent is still consent if the person giving was capable of doing so - so if a girl's had a few drinks and gets carried away and agrees to sex then later regrets it, it was still consenting if the jury feels she had capacity at the time to do so. The argument in this case was that when he appeared in the room she was already too drunk to know what was happening, so she didn't actually give consent even if he claims she said "yes" and he couldn't have reasonably believed she consented because she was obviously too drunk. The jury at the initial trial clearly felt she didn't have capacity and this one apparently did.
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Oct 14, 2016 17:32
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Fantastic news, of course.  Will Ched be somehow repaid for the loss of freedom, income and a ruined reputation?
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Oct 14, 2016 17:49
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To be honest I'm glad Chedwyn didnae do it, if just because it makes all of the people writing teary-eyed moralising editorials for the Guardian look like absolute mugs. Apparently some of the new evidence that was presented was other people who'd had sex with the same woman, one a couple of days before, where she'd used the same come ons as Evans said she had, and also where she'd woken up and not remembered anything. So basically a British court has officially declared her a pissed-up slag, and I'm sure the feminists will be thrilled.
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Oct 14, 2016 17:51
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Rape Culture has gone too far
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Oct 14, 2016 18:02
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First Ched found innocent ... Malky next?
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Oct 14, 2016 18:31
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Sepp Blatter did nothing wrong
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Oct 14, 2016 18:41
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Corrode posted:In terms of where that came from, presumably it's directly from the court report or from someone sat in the public gallery. I dunno, I mean if she was already shagging Clayton and had been okay to consent to that, then unless she continued drinking whilst shagging him, why would she be any less able to consent to SuperChed? Unless she's already agreed to let Clayton get balls deep earlier on I suppose.
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Oct 14, 2016 18:48
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monkeytennis posted:I dunno, I mean if she was already shagging Clayton and had been okay to consent to that, then unless she continued drinking whilst shagging him, why would she be any less able to consent to SuperChed?
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Oct 14, 2016 18:54
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I'm going to stick my neck out and say that the truth is in the middle
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Oct 14, 2016 19:49
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julian assflange posted:I'm going to stick my neck out and say that the truth is in the middle It usually is, in my experience.
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Oct 14, 2016 20:15
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julian assflange posted:I'm going to stick my neck out and say that the truth is in the middle The court disagrees. Ched wins.
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Oct 14, 2016 20:35
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I knew it all along that Ched Evans did nothing wrong just like Hitler and the jews who bit off more than they could chew
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Oct 14, 2016 20:44
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julian assflange posted:I'm going to stick my neck out and say that the truth is in the middle So was the victim
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Oct 14, 2016 21:47
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brocked posted:So was the victim 
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Oct 14, 2016 21:53
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brocked posted:So was the victim Lol
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Oct 14, 2016 21:58
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Spangly A posted:
I've slept with girls I've met when we've both been drunk. I never really thought about it ever being considered rape 
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Oct 14, 2016 22:26
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brocked posted:So was the victim ayyyyy lmao
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Oct 14, 2016 22:28
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Ewar Woowar posted:I've slept with girls I've met when we've both been drunk. I never really thought about it ever being considered rape girls I've met is a strange name for a man
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Ewar Woowar posted:I've slept with girls I've met when we've both been drunk. I never really thought about it ever being considered rape You also live in a third world country.
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Reprisal posted:girls I've met is a strange name for a man  Shrapnig posted:You also live in a third world country. I don't know man, rape seems generally frowned upon here too.
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Ewar Woowar posted:I've slept with girls I've met when we've both been drunk. I never really thought about it ever being considered rape so's everyone but idk there's a difference between that and your mate texting you to come bang a girl he's pulled footballers continue being unable to have sex on their own shocker
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Oct 15, 2016 12:44
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Also there's a difference between "Yes I want to have drunken sex with you", and "Yes I want to have drunken sex with you, and a random mate of yours who will climb in the window"
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BrigadierSensible posted:Also there's a difference between "Yes I want to have drunken sex with you", and "Yes I want to have drunken sex with you, and a random mate of yours who will climb in the window" Which one of these do you imagine happened?
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Oct 16, 2016 09:26
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Not sure imagining rape is the best direction for this thread to go
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Oct 16, 2016 09:28
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sassassin posted:Which one of these do you imagine happened? Not knowing all the details, I thought it was the first one. Which is why teh court let his mate off, because she had consented to having sex with him, (drunkenly), but she didn't consent to Ched climbing in and having a go.
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Oct 17, 2016 03:53
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The court has proven conclusively that Ched did nothing wrong.
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Oct 17, 2016 10:02
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The moral of the story, is never have sex.
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Oct 17, 2016 10:51
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I can't get enough of are Dan
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HJB posted:The moral of the story, is never have sex. Or at least don't be all romantic and climb in through a window. Modern ladies don't like all that dashing heroic window-entering stuff.
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Oct 17, 2016 11:16
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HJB posted:The moral of the story, is never have sex. Or at least don't take your mate up on an offer to get up to the buffers in the paralytic girl he's already hanging out the back of.
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Oct 17, 2016 13:48
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Masonity posted:Or at least don't be all romantic and climb in through a window. Modern ladies don't like all that dashing heroic window-entering stuff. Agreed, always enter through the back door.
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monkeytennis posted:Or at least don't take your mate up on an offer to get up to the buffers in the paralytic girl he's already hanging out the back of. Imagine picking up a girl at a bar and thinking "wait I have to call my friend so we can all have sex."
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