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Hughlander posted:What's the warning at the bottom?
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Hughlander posted:What's the warning at the bottom? Looks like the Antifa flag logo next to Warning in red text. As in "These fuckers are actual Nazis, be aware if you live near them"
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Oct 14, 2016 23:06
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In Victoria BC they had a lot of homeless in a relatively small park right next to the (courthouse?), occupying the thing 100%, they couldn't legally kick them out because it was provincial land. They built some housing for the homeless there and got them all to move into it, then more homeless moved in, so they built yet more housing and closed the park totally. Maybe we can solve both our transit and homeless problems at the same time with Homeless Trains.
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Oct 15, 2016 00:50
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:In Victoria BC they had a lot of homeless in a relatively small park right next to the (courthouse?), occupying the thing 100%, they couldn't legally kick them out because it was provincial land. They built some housing for the homeless there and got them all to move into it, then more homeless moved in, so they built yet more housing and closed the park totally. I lived almost next door to this 
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Oct 15, 2016 01:04
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Oct 15, 2016 02:53
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Drunk Tomato posted:Portland is already MAXED out. But what about Tigard, Vancouver, and Oregon City (probably in that order?) Although I think this is the first time in maybe 25 years that there wasn't a line or expansion being either planned or actively worked on. As far as I know, there is nothing underway right now past the "doodling on a napkin" phase, right?
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Oct 15, 2016 02:55
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:In Victoria BC they had a lot of homeless in a relatively small park right next to the (courthouse?), occupying the thing 100%, they couldn't legally kick them out because it was provincial land. They built some housing for the homeless there and got them all to move into it, then more homeless moved in, so they built yet more housing and closed the park totally. One problem with the permanent camps was that after a while nogoodniks* started moving in. People who maybe had a place indoors to sleep, but gently caress you dad I'm not listening to your rules. It went from the merely homeless, who had no other options and were pretty happy to have a place with porta potties, to really unpleasant people. *Nogoodniks still has no racial connotations, right? It's not dog whistle racism or anything, they were mostly white people.
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Oct 15, 2016 03:19
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glowing-fish posted:But what about Tigard, Vancouver, and Oregon City (probably in that order?) There is a line being planned to Tigard, and should be under construction in a few years. So yeah, it is already being done. Vancouver (or really Clark county) didn't want a MAX line and refused to pay for one or a new bridge. A expansion of the Orange line to Oregon city is possible but at least one city on the ROW (Gladstone) is blocking any further progress. That said, a BRT-like service is being planned for Division, and should actually improve life along that route. I think at this point beyond the Tigard expansion, most of the improvements are probably going to be BRT or bus related. One factor is that the federal government is willing to may most of the cost of BRT routes and the other is the Portland metro area is actually starting to run out of good ROWs to build new lines.
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Oct 15, 2016 03:46
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Baronjutter posted:Tax the gently caress out of Boing and Amazon and microsoft, squeeze the rich until they bleed  Ardennes posted:Maybe put them in jail for loitering (which almost certainly costs far more than actually building shelters)?
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Oct 15, 2016 06:02
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Rockin Orthodontist posted:nogoodniks* started moving in.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:03
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Rockin Orthodontist posted:One problem with the permanent camps was that after a while nogoodniks* started moving in. People who maybe had a place indoors to sleep, but gently caress you dad I'm not listening to your rules. It went from the merely homeless, who had no other options and were pretty happy to have a place with porta potties, to really unpleasant people. Why does it matter if someone would rather be homeless than live in a home they don't feel comfortable in? If they can't afford to pay for housing, aren't self sufficient (through their own labor or otherwise) and live in the streets they are homeless. Do you think people choose to be homeless because it's a fun thing to do? That it's easy? That pan handling is a lucrative job that people are forgoing a warm bed and food to do? You might be thinking of gutter punks, who have somewhere to live but prefer to crash with friends and occasionally in the street if it's a bad night. These people do not live in the streets, they aren't a concern, unless you have a problem with dirty young people being seen in public. If you think people are really deciding to just be homeless rather than live with their dad you should try it out. Live o the streets and see how bad it must be for you to choose the streets over a warm bed, a roof and consistent food. ElCondemn fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Oct 15, 2016 |
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Oct 15, 2016 06:43
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Oct 15, 2016 07:23
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There are plenty of people who really believe deep down that panhandlers are scammers who get into their Camaros and drive home and change into clean clothes after making hundreds if not thousands of dollars from hard workin' real 'muricans, every night. I defy you to go into a country bar in Oregon and not find someone who doesn't want to tell you about it
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Oct 15, 2016 16:29
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Homelessness as a lifestyle choice/pan-handling as a career are basically how people justify not caring. Nobody wants to think of themselves as an rear end in a top hat so they create a story in their head where it's the homeless person who's in the wrong. I refuse to believe that anyone whose ever been outside on a bad day earnestly thinks there's much of a choice involved.
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Oct 15, 2016 16:40
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I worked with the homeless in a soup kitchen for a long time when I was in my teens. What my experience taught me is that rarely is homelessness a lifestyle choice, it's more of a 'all my decisions have been so piss poor that they've led to this point'. Don't give money to the homeless, give money to the organizations that help them get back on their feet. A lot of these people have burnt down their lives and crapped on the ruins, and giving money directly to them is a waste. Being homeless is a loving miserable experience, just from what I've seen. Of course, you're going to buy cheap liquor and get hosed up, because otherwise you'd have to face the stark reality that your life is firmly in the gutter. The social safety net in this country is in a bind. Instead of actively working to prevent homelessness or alleviate it's effect, we instead choose to eat the cost of crime and medical care for those people.
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Oct 15, 2016 17:01
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A White Guy posted:I worked with the homeless in a soup kitchen for a long time when I was in my teens. What my experience taught me is that rarely is homelessness a lifestyle choice, it's more of a 'all my decisions have been so piss poor that they've led to this point'. Don't give money to the homeless, give money to the organizations that help them get back on their feet. A lot of these people have burnt down their lives and crapped on the ruins, and giving money directly to them is a waste. Being homeless is a loving miserable experience, just from what I've seen. Of course, you're going to buy cheap liquor and get hosed up, because otherwise you'd have to face the stark reality that your life is firmly in the gutter. Some time spent doing feelgood weekend voluntourism for headpat cred is probably the best way to learn about how people become homeless and all the choices they made on the way to their current state. I mean, it just makes sense. Explain some more about exactly how people find themselves homeless, as learned from your lofty academic perch.
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Oct 15, 2016 17:37
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xrunner posted:Some time spent doing feelgood weekend voluntourism for headpat cred is probably the best way to learn about how people become homeless and all the choices they made on the way to their current state. I mean, it just makes sense. Explain some more about exactly how people find themselves homeless, as learned from your lofty academic perch. Passive aggressive much?
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Oct 15, 2016 18:14
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LingcodKilla posted:Passive aggressive much? Nah. I feel like the insult and derision is pretty overt. I love when people explain how poverty and homelessness is just making piss poor decisions and burning bridges. Plenty of people who do both those things stay comfortable middle class/upper class. Especially people with a social safety net that can catch them. Consequences aren't applied evenly. The poster I responded to presented a lovely, paternalistic evaluation of the homeless population and supported it by saying he volunteered for a bit. There's a lot going on that leads to homelessness and each individual's path is different, but framing it like the quote below is condescending as gently caress and demonstrates serious ignorance about how things like poverty, mental health, addiction, and circumstance work. A White Guy posted:What my experience taught me is that rarely is homelessness a lifestyle choice, it's more of a 'all my decisions have been so piss poor that they've led to this point'. Don't give money to the homeless, give money to the organizations that help them get back on their feet. A lot of these people have burnt down their lives and crapped on the ruins, and giving money directly to them is a waste.
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Oct 15, 2016 18:36
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ElCondemn posted:Why does it matter if someone would rather be homeless than live in a home they don't feel comfortable in? If they can't afford to pay for housing, aren't self sufficient (through their own labor or otherwise) and live in the streets they are homeless. Geee why would we want to discourage people living on the streets a real head scratcher here. Someone send for scooby and the gang so we can sort this mystery out. xrunner posted:Nah. I feel like the insult and derision is pretty overt. Also kinda lame, you could really do better if you put some time into it.
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Oct 15, 2016 19:23
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:Geee why would we want to discourage people living on the streets a real head scratcher here. Someone send for scooby and the gang so we can sort this mystery out. You're missing his point. First of all, you don't need to discourage people from living on the streets. It's a miserable life and it's not something people just choose to do. When you see people living on the streets you should take it for granted that they don't have a better option. They might have a worse option that isn't living on the streets - but that's not really the same thing. If somebody for example decides to live outdoors rather than in a household with a physically abusive parent, that's not choosing to live on the streets. It's choosing to escape the abuse. Also, sorry you weren't impressed by my wit. I'll try harder the next time I see somebody claim they learned all about the homeless from that time they did some volunteer work.
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Oct 15, 2016 19:34
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Not to intrude on the hugfest going on, but if you don't factor in how untreated mental illness and trauma contribute to homelessness then you are not painting an accurate picture of it. People tend to focus on the substance abuse aspect more than the underlying reasons for a lot of it. There is a huge problem with a revolving door effect of mentally ill people becoming homeless, not receiving care until they get really starkly out of control, get hospitalized and stabilized, and then released to the wild again. Lather, rinse, repeat. One of the major benefits of "housing first" initiatives is that it actually makes an effort to break this self-reinforcing cycle.
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Oct 15, 2016 20:49
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Not to intrude on the hugfest going on, but if you don't factor in how untreated mental illness and trauma contribute to homelessness then you are not painting an accurate picture of it. People tend to focus on the substance abuse aspect more than the underlying reasons for a lot of it. You have to be sympathetic to the real victims! The people that have to contort themselves to find ways to blame the people for deciding to have a mental illness. If they werent druggies they would make Rational Decisions and become mentally better!
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Oct 15, 2016 20:54
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Yeah, it seems like most people don't believe mental health exists. Mental health is seen as strength or weakness and the presence or absence of intrinsic defect, so gently caress em'.
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Oct 15, 2016 21:41
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LingcodKilla posted:Passive aggressive much? Well this is the pacific northwest thread...
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Oct 15, 2016 22:53
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I never understood begrudging panhandlers even if they were making a good living for themselves. I just thought oh, your job is panhandler. Just like I have a job, your job is to panhandle. How do panhandlers earn money? The people passing by them give them money directly. Wait that's me! So I pay them. I mean, in an economy that is specifically designed not to provide full employment, somebody's job must be not having a job. So there it is.
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Oct 15, 2016 23:10
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woke wedding drone posted:I never understood begrudging panhandlers even if they were making a good living for themselves. I just thought oh, your job is panhandler. 
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Oct 15, 2016 23:51
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I think it's time to start shipping the homeless to the east side of the cascades where they can be an important food source for the reintroduced bear population.
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The Oldest Man posted:I think it's time to start shipping the homeless to the east side of the cascades where they can be an important food source for the reintroduced bear population. The inhumanity of your proposal is staggering. Forcing someone to live in Eastern Oregon, even on a temporary basis? Have you no empathy, sir? No heart at all?
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Oct 16, 2016 03:04
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The Oldest Man posted:I think it's time to start shipping the homeless to the east side of the cascades where they can be an important food source for the reintroduced bear population. That sounds like a great way to end up with pissed-off tribal insurgents wearing bear pelts a few years later.
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Just got out of Jayapal's Bernie rally. Highlight of the night was for sure an adorable, animated Ron Sims  Dude needs to run for something so I have a chance to vote for him. HookedOnChthonics fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Oct 16, 2016 |
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Oct 16, 2016 03:50
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HookedOnChthonics posted:Just got out of Sawant's Bernie rally. Highlight of the night was for sure an adorable, animated Ron Sims There's still bernie rallies going on?
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Oct 16, 2016 06:54
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It was an event for Jayapal (not Sawant, whoops  ) that Bernie was speaking at; definitely many people there just to see him though. Boos for Clinton all through.
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Oct 16, 2016 07:05
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I'm glad that all the insufferable Bernie Bros have found themselves a
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Oct 16, 2016 12:49
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What wonderfully useful people to now have involving themselves in socialist politics
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Oct 16, 2016 13:19
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The Oldest Man posted:I think it's time to start shipping the homeless to the east side of the cascades where they can be an important food source for the reintroduced bear population. I guess we haven't had a 21st Century Trail of Tears yet.
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Oct 16, 2016 13:20
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The Oldest Man posted:I think it's time to start shipping the homeless to the east side of the cascades where they can be an important food source for the reintroduced bear population. I want to keep my town homeless free, TIA. A better ethical question would be, if housing is guranteed, should the homeless be forced to work for minimum wage?
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Oct 16, 2016 14:12
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Senor P. posted:Keep them on the West side, you guys created the problem. Feel free to indulge in your regional pastime of opiate overdose at any time.
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Oct 16, 2016 14:27
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woke wedding drone posted:Feel free to indulge in your regional pastime of opiate overdose at any time. I thought Meth was still the drug of choice in Spokane. Is Opium all the rage these days?
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Oct 16, 2016 15:50
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Opiates doesn't mean opium. It means heroin or pharma synthetics that are basically heroin. Oxycontin is one example.
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So all our disaster response was revved up and ready to get down to business and ultimately it seemed to rain less than Thursday and Friday. Was anyone significantly impacted by the storm or have we done a good job of defunding emergency response again?
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