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"We broke the law, so out of the kindness of your heart will you the jury not hold us accountable at all?"
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Oct 13, 2016 23:33
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Reminder that they honestly believe that they didn't break any "valid" laws.
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Oct 13, 2016 23:58
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Dr. Killjoy posted:"We broke the law, so out of the kindness of your heart will you the jury not hold us accountable at all?" It's stupid, but what other defense have they got? Seriously, what else could they try? All I can think of is "We were never there, this is all a setup by da evul gubmint who used our doppelgangers to fake video footage of us doing all the stuff we didn't do."
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SocketWrench posted:Did you occupy a federal reserve? Yeah, I don't get it either. What is Ryan Payne's game plan? Doe he think the trial is going really well for the militants, and they are all about to be found not guilty?
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Holy poo poo, Shawna Cox is dumb. She insisted on taking the stand and playing her video of the felony stop. Hilarity ensues. http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/oregon_standoff_defendant_shaw.html quote:Harris showed the footage after the judge cautioned that it could be "quite prejudicial'' to both Cox and co-defendant Ryan Bundy with the risk of "underscoring to the jury that the defendants pick and choose which laws they want to follow.'' The video captured Cox telling Finicum to "gun it, gun it'' as he sped away from officers at the initial stop. quote:During a brief cross-examination, Assistant U.S. Attorney Craig Gabriel stopped the video that Cox took and showed a screenshot of Ryan Bundy, who was in the back left side passenger seat of Finicum's truck, holding a revolver in his right hand as he hunkered down.
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Elephant Ambush posted:Reminder that they honestly believe that they didn't break any "valid" laws. Hey now the constitution doesn't literally say "you can't forcibly occupy and utterly trash a bird refuge while threatening people with guns and describing all the violent crimes you can't wait to commit when the revolution starts" so obviously the founding fathers don't want this to be illegal and it's fine 
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TotalLossBrain posted:Holy poo poo, Shawna Cox is dumb. She insisted on taking the stand and playing her video of the felony stop. Hilarity ensues. They can't help it. It's like there's a little voice in their head screaming "DO IT!" and they have no choice
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Oct 14, 2016 05:01
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Just imagine you've seen Ammon breaking down on the stand crying about how the government was smarter and more powerful than he expected and your first thought is, "These guys are on fire! I should'a fought this!"
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SocketWrench posted:They can't help it. It's like there's a little voice in their head screaming "DO IT!" and they have no choice The little voice saying "GUN IT" is surprisingly easy to eliminate
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Oct 14, 2016 05:13
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TotalLossBrain posted:Holy poo poo, Shawna Cox is dumb. She insisted on taking the stand and playing her video of the felony stop. Hilarity ensues. At this point, I can only imagine the judge looking like this: 
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Judges are usually pretty on the ball about that kind of thing because they don't want the defendants to have grounds for appeal. People were informed of the risks and did it anyway.
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This should be an instant fine. I bet he muttered it under his breath like a child. I really want the judge to hold him in contempt, and fine him like 3 grand every time he says jury nullification. He's gotten like 10 warnings already, just hammer this idiot.  but i didn't know the warnings were real warnings!
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I have a (perhaps-not-very-interesting) follow up on my comments about the Finicum foster situation. My instructor was giving a long hypothetical in response to a student question, which wasn't 100% clear at the time, and there might not be any public information about this issue in the future, since it's about minors who have already been removed, etc... Relevant pieces of information: AZ law* says foster homes must have enough income to have a stable home without the foster stipends, which are for care of the foster children. The Finicums' ranch may not have been turning a profit and they themselves may have been living on the stipends. AZ law* has a general rule against the "exploitation" of foster youth, and it's possible that the foster youths' labor at the ranch was exploitation. *This is true in more than just AZ - it is true in DC, which is why my class was talking about it - but I understand the laws may be worded/applied differently at the state level.
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WrenP-Complete posted:The Finicums' ranch may not have been turning a profit and they themselves may have been living on the stipends. Finicum himself said that the ranch was barely making ends meet and that the foster kids were his "main source of income".
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TotalLossBrain posted:Finicum himself said that the ranch was barely making ends meet and that the foster kids were his "main source of income". Yes, and that is what my instructor was referring to.
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ate all the Oreos posted:Hey now the constitution doesn't literally say "you can't forcibly occupy and utterly trash a bird refuge while threatening people with guns and describing all the violent crimes you can't wait to commit when the revolution starts" so obviously the founding fathers don't want this to be illegal and it's fine I love that most of their beliefs boil down to " Show me in the rules where it says a dog can't play basketball".
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I guess the question is how profitable is it. If it makes like $5 more than it takes in the. I can see why he would say the foster stipends are his primary source of income as that is what they live off of.
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Here's an excellent piece on today's court proceedings, mostly involving Fry from Maxine Bernstein: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/oregon_standoff_holdout_david.html choice quotes: quote:Fry said Finicum was the only person he had known at the eastern Oregon bird sanctuary when he arrived Jan. 8. He went there from his home in Ohio partly because he was interested in meeting Finicum, who he had been following on YouTube. He thought going to the refuge would give him a good chance to get out of the house and see what the protest was all about. quote:At one point, Fry said he was turned off by the anti-Muslim sentiment of two or three people at the refuge and scribbled a handwritten note on Jan. 23 that he was going to leave. quote:There was a heightened sense of paranoia, he said, because he thought agents were watching them with drones and cameras.  But then... quote:Fry credited FBI negotiator Marc Maxwell for convincing him to give up. 
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TotalLossBrain posted:Here's an excellent piece on today's court proceedings, mostly involving Fry from Maxine Bernstein: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/oregon_standoff_holdout_david.html indeed
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Your Gay Uncle posted:I love that most of their beliefs boil down to " Show me in the rules where it says a dog can't play basketball". Often while directly ignoring where it actually says that dogs can't play basketball.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Often while directly ignoring where it actually says that dogs can't play basketball. Dogs could play basketball but they can't look up
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TotalLossBrain posted:Here's an excellent piece on today's court proceedings, mostly involving Fry from Maxine Bernstein: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/oregon_standoff_holdout_david.html
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This is actually really useful for updating my guide on the events!
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red19fire posted:This should be an instant fine. I bet he muttered it under his breath like a child. People don't seem to get that while nullification is technically "a thing" it also means you're telling the jury "if you personally don't like the law you should ignore it" which while having some potential for good it's ultimately a really bad thing in society for people to be able to just walk after committing crimes because they got lucky and their jury was a bunch of idealists.
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TotalLossBrain posted:Here's an excellent piece on today's court proceedings, mostly involving Fry from Maxine Bernstein: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/oregon_standoff_holdout_david.html oh poo poo your post reminded me that Ya' Boy LaVoy had a huge Youtube channel, I went back through it and goddamn this poo poo is funny given his eventual fate Here's one where he laments how people rely on the government for survival and chastises that you should be prepared by spending money on more emergency supplies (when he himself was living on government dole and the only emergency he ever faced ended up being a bullet) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jANypgeSNmE One where he makes the classic libertarian mistake of being utterly unable to grasp the very concept of externalities https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hewN-oZeYZk Here's the one that turned Our Precious Boy LaVoy on the path to his demise, fun fact: he admits that the BLM is good and that people like them but that they're still bad because reasons, government, feds, something something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWeG9GTZtvw
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^^I'll have to dig through those later, but I'll probably just be left with more amazement at the utter disconnect. I've known people like Lavoy and I've gone to church with them when I was still the church-going type. They honest-to-god believe they are doing the right thing and they feel emboldened because GOD. They will never be wrong. But they are typically very nice people outside of that craziness. I know some in this thread expressed dissatisfaction at Santilli getting his charges dropped. Amy Goodman is a good example for why this was ultimately a good thing, though. As background, Amy covered North Dakota pipeline protests and was arrested for trespassing. quote:In September 2016, an arrest warrant was issued for Goodman after she covered the Dakota Access Pipeline protests during which private security personnel unleashed dogs and pepper spray on protesters. She is reportedly facing criminal trespassing charges in Morton County, North Dakota. An arrest warrant was reportedly also issued for Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein and her running mate, Ajamu Baraka.] On the October 13th broadcast of Democracy Now!, Goodman announced her intentions to turn herself in to the Morton County–Mandan Corrections Center on Monday, October 17. She stated that she would be fighting the charges against her as a "clear violation of the First Amendment". The Committee to Protect Journalists issued a statement condemning the arrest and demanding that the charges be dropped. Steve Andrist, executive director of the North Dakota Newspaper Association, also expressed concern that a journalist was one of only two people from the day in question wanted for arrest, with authorities saying she was selected because she is identifiable on the video footage. I hope that Amy's charges will also be dropped.
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Forgot to mention that the defense is trying to get the FBI to release all the names of their informants for purely legal defense purposes we totally swear for honest http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/oregon_standoff_trial_fridays.html quote:The FBI had 15 confidential sources feeding them information from their contacts with occupiers at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, a prosecutor confirmed in court Friday. Also, remember how the Bastard Bundy Bunch were originally planning on 'doing something' to Somali refugees? Weeeeeellllllllpppppppp........ http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/14/us/mosque-attack-thwarted-kansas/index.html quote:Feds: Militia Plot Foiled
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It seems like just about every attempted terrorist bombing gets foiled by someone contacting an FBI informant by accident. Are there any legit black market bomb component sellers out there or is the whole market just undercover agents?
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chitoryu12 posted:It seems like just about every attempted terrorist bombing gets foiled by someone contacting an FBI informant by accident. Are there any legit black market bomb component sellers out there or is the whole market just undercover agents? The feds are elbow deep in every facet of the darkweb and other places people might go for this type of stuff. Just look at all the various silk roads and their demise, for example.
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:The trio, members of a militia group that called itself The Crusaders, wanted to "wake people up," the DOJ said. Jesus, guys, all you need is a megaphone or something!
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Puppy Time posted:Jesus, guys, all you need is a megaphone or something! Hell, half the time the mosque will wake you up anyway!
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Wasabi the J posted:Hell, half the time the mosque will wake you up anyway! ٍٱلصَّلاَةُ خَيْرٌ مِنَ ٱلنَّوم
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Mr. Nice! posted:The feds are elbow deep in every facet of the darkweb and other places people might go for this type of stuff. Just look at all the various silk roads and their demise, for example. The best named one was operation Torpedo. Tor Pedo
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Zopotantor posted:ٍٱلصَّلاَةُ خَيْرٌ مِنَ ٱلنَّوم As-salatu Khayrun Minan-nawm Prayer is better than sleep hahaha gently caress, that's good. I never knew it was literally part of some prayers; still, I'm a kafir so my rear end ain't waking up for loudspeaker muezzin.
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Mr. Nice! posted:The feds are elbow deep in every facet of the darkweb and other places people might go for this type of stuff. Just look at all the various silk roads and their demise, for example. There's also been some complaints of the FBI contacting people that they know are borderline and leading them into plans they wouldn't have already formulated. Not saying that's the case here but it's worth keeping in mind.
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VikingSkull posted:There's also been some complaints of the FBI contacting people that they know are borderline and leading them into plans they wouldn't have already formulated. The most famous one I remember was the one with the "terrorists" who had this dumb rear end ideologue kid in a van and were like "push the button and blow up town hall or w/e" and he did and they were like PSYCH, FOOLED YOU, now you are under arrest. Dumb kid never handled any explosives either, iirc* That's kinda a weird way to go after terror *someone correct me if I'm wrong I mean this is the internet and proving people wrong is most of the fun
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