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fleshweasel posted:1. install visual studio Shaggar posted:don't drop it! haha! but for real install vs community and do some mvc and webapi. alright, cheers
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don't install vs code, btw
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Oct 14, 2016 20:28
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HoboMan posted:don't install vs code, btw i do my rust programming in vs code, seems okay. i like it more than st3 (except for general non-code text editing - export EDITOR='subl -w' bitch)
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Oct 14, 2016 20:30
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HoboMan posted:don't install vs code, btw i think vs code is pretty okay, what's your problem with it?
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Oct 14, 2016 20:46
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friend of mine runs vs code on linux, and uses a windows phone
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Oct 14, 2016 20:49
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ms's website for it is pretty unclear on what the gently caress it actually is which led me to mistakenly install it when i was trying to learn c#
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Oct 14, 2016 20:51
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qntm posted:friend of mine runs vs code on linux, and uses a windows phone nice try, you almost had me until the last two words
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Oct 14, 2016 20:55
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HoboMan posted:don't install vs code, btw
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Oct 14, 2016 21:01
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We're interviewing candidates for software engineer, and the guy asked what js framework we use on the frontend. I chuckled a bit and told him we don't use any js framework other than a bespoke js architecture called "bring in the dump truck and spread that poo poo all over". The hiring manager and the VP of software dev got a good laugh but there was a little bit of "maybe you don't have to be THAT honest." Well, he asked about our js and I told him. Sorry, not sorry. Since this candidate would be working on my team that maintains a legacy shithouse of code that was brought in through acquisition, I don't want some chucklefuck that dreams about building the perfect Angular 2.0 app (which he actually said in the interview). You'll never ever ever get to build an Angular app in this shitpile so just go somewhere else, imo. Anyway, he kind of choked on the whiteboard portion of the interview, anyway. Not because he got wrong answers or anything (questions are about the same difficulty level as FizzBuzz), but because he showed an amazing lack of attention to detail.
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Oct 14, 2016 21:01
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cinci zoo sniper posted:i've got visual studio community 2015, not sure what vs code even is One day, someone at MS started making GBS threads their pants because they noticed that text editors like Atom, Sublime, etc. were gaining popularity on Windows and weren't the exclusive territory of Mac/Linux devs anymore. So, they built their own extensible text editor (basically a copy of Sublime in MANY ways). Thus, VS code is born. It's for people that don't want to fire up a whole freaking IDE just to edit some lovely nodejs script.
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Oct 14, 2016 21:03
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i thought vs code was literally based on atom? edit: Visual Studio Code is based on Electron, a framework which is used to deploy Node.js applications for the desktop running on Blink layout engine. Although it also uses the Electron framework, the software is not a fork of Atom, and is actually based on Visual Studio Online's editor (codename "Monaco").[7] thanks wikipedia edit2: "Electron, a framework which is used to deploy Node.js applications for the desktop running on Blink layout engine." hah what the actual gently caress?
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Oct 14, 2016 21:08
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ive read that electron is popular for indie game dev, you just cobble thing up in html/js/haxe/whateversomethingwebtech, and then bundle it up in an executable file with electron, presumably to avoid x-browser incompatibilities
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Oct 14, 2016 21:35
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HoboMan posted:don't install vs code, btw idk how youd even do that. its linux only, isn't it?
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Oct 14, 2016 22:02
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cinci zoo sniper posted:i've got visual studio community 2015, not sure what vs code even is its a text editor for linux
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Oct 14, 2016 22:02
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Shaggar posted:idk how youd even do that. its linux only, isn't it?
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Oct 14, 2016 22:03
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i've been using vs as my "poo poo why wont emacs let me paste this" editor and it suits that need
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Oct 14, 2016 22:07
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I refuse to use a non-IDE dumb text editor that consumes 400 odd MB of memory just on principle Surely there must be some end to this madness
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Oct 14, 2016 22:46
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so basically it's emacs but with javascript instead of lisp? sounds both bad and pointless
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Oct 14, 2016 22:49
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i mean vs code is ok to pretty good if your language don't have a proper ide so god help you if you think it would be useful
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Finster Dexter posted:We're interviewing candidates for software engineer, and the guy asked what js framework we use on the frontend. I chuckled a bit and told him we don't use any js framework other than a bespoke js architecture called "bring in the dump truck and spread that poo poo all over". The hiring manager and the VP of software dev got a good laugh but there was a little bit of "maybe you don't have to be THAT honest." so you want a js dev who is decent and pays attention, but you want him to see no problem in working on a dogshit legacy codebase that will never improve? good luck with that
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Oct 14, 2016 23:15
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what's the state of built-in resharper-like features in VS these days? we got resharper at work and i'm too lazy to spin up a project at home to see what's out of the box in VS community
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Oct 14, 2016 23:23
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JewKiller 3000 posted:so you want a js dev who is decent and pays attention, but you want him to see no problem in working on a dogshit legacy codebase that will never improve? good luck with that lol I never said anything about wanting js devs. The position is for a .NET dev. But yeah, you're otherwise 100% right. Hence why I've been looking for some good remote work
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Oct 14, 2016 23:24
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:im just trapped in a personal hell of evershifting goalposts. my tl told me straight up that he feels like this process is exploitative and he doesn't blame me if i'm looking for other work. tbqh it helps a lot if you start out as a dev
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Oct 14, 2016 23:26
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Finster Dexter posted:lol I never said anything about wanting js devs. The position is for a .NET dev. well considering your post said js 4 times, angular twice, and .net not at all, i suggest you make sure your job posting is less confusing to candidates than your yospos posting
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Oct 14, 2016 23:35
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Doc Hawkins posted:"kids today are so lazy they don't even want to write for loops" just a reminder that this was rob pike's response to being asked why go collections dont have map or filter quote:The modern programmer thinks a newline is a thousand times harder to
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Oct 15, 2016 00:06
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rob pike seems completely insufferable.
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Oct 15, 2016 00:27
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imagine this post is the "am I out of touch, no it's the children who are wrong" skinner meme but with rob pike's face on it
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Oct 15, 2016 00:48
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imo he's not wrong. programmers are apparently deathly afraid of whitespace and it's stupid. but broken clock, etc. rob pike is a douche.
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Oct 15, 2016 02:29
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even his exaggerated strawman is closer to being accurate than his own position ("how much of your program can fit on your screen at once" is a relevant metric. a newline consumes a whole line of screen space, while any other character consumes ~1/100th of a line, depending on how sane you are with line breaks)
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i mean, the real problem with his argument is that the reason people prefer map/filter/reduce over for loops has nothing to do with whitespace or vertical spacing or whatever, so he clearly doesn't understand why people are using these features
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Oct 15, 2016 02:50
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Sapozhnik posted:I refuse to use a non-IDE dumb text editor that consumes 400 odd MB of memory just on principle Soricidus posted:so basically it's emacs but with javascript instead of lisp?
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JewKiller 3000 posted:well considering your post said js 4 times, angular twice, and .net not at all, i suggest you make sure your job posting is less confusing to candidates than your yospos posting wow you're sassy
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Oct 15, 2016 03:03
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mystes posted:The memory usage is kind of absurd but Atom and vs code are IMO good in that they allow people to add support for languages very easily, similar to emacs, but have excellent cross-platform support and provide an interface that's more like a modern ide. Obviously if you're using c# or Java there are better ides. yeah, i keep vs code around because it's a fine enough way to edit sql or config files and because i occasionally have to touch classic asp (i know) and there's an alright plugin for it.
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Oct 15, 2016 03:14
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Blinkz0rz posted:imo he's not wrong. programmers are apparently deathly afraid of whitespace and it's stupid. programmers are the worst and good language design these days amounts to saving them from themselves
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Oct 15, 2016 03:31
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Plank Walker posted:programmers are the worst and good language design these days amounts to saving them from themselves agreed this is why java is the best programming language for the vast majority of programming tasks (the remaining programming tasks usually involve code running inside browsers. rip)
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jony neuemonic posted:yeah, i keep vs code around because it's a fine enough way to edit sql or config files and because i occasionally have to touch classic asp (i know) and there's an alright plugin for it. ssms or bust imo
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atom is surprisingly good imo. i don't ever notice it using memory because i don't look at my memory usage. the plugins are usually p good and it tends to be a lot simpler than janitoring my goddamn emacs everytime piece of poo poo spacemacs updates and breaks some stupid poo poo.
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Oct 15, 2016 04:34
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atom is good. vscode is better. don't use atom unless some package you need isn't available with vscode.
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reason GEM sucks #4384237423: to save money, Atari and DRI worked to squeeze TOS into the smallest possible space. the original target was 128KB, then 192KB when they found that was totally infeasible. the Amiga had 256KB of ROM plus a Workbench floppy, the Mac had 64KB of ROM and a System floppy, the ST crammed an entire graphical operating system into 192KB. one of the many tradeoffs was that VDI, the layer that handles graphics primitives, was optimized to be as small as possible rather than as fast as possible. like i mentioned before, the reason TOS only supported monospaced fonts and three screen modes was because one whole component of VDI, GDOS, was removed to make the OS smaller. you had to get your own GDOS module from a commercial vendor (or pirate the one included with word processing programs) which provided the missing routines for use by VDI - and the official Atari GDOS.PRG was only 8KB! with or without GDOS, VDI was *extremely* slow. the Mac and Amiga 1000 were snappy, but the ST was unbearably slow in many graphics operations. programmers recommended things like aligning UI elements on word boundaries to squeeze any little speed increase you could out of it. people with serious skills would just replace VDI methods with their own, or ignore VDI entirely and access screen memory directly like most games did. taking advantage of this, several companies released screen accelerators. they were TSRs that hooked the various VDI routines and redirected them to highly-optimized routines in RAM rather than the ones in ROM. this meant that the process was invisible to applications - so any application that used VDI graphical routines automatically took advantage of the speedup! of course games were mostly incompatible with accelerators since they used all kinds of software tricks, and a few applications broke, but for most users and applications it was like a whole new computer. i dug up some screen accelerators for my 1040ST's boot disk. it looks like there were three big ones: NVDI, Turbo ST, and Warp 9. I don't have a hard disk so NVDI, which shipped on several floppies and included a zillion fonts (plus the ability to use TrueType fonts, according to various forums) and printer drivers, was out. I tried Warp 9, which benchmarks at the time said was slightly faster than Turbo ST, but Warp 9 doesn't seem to like TOS 1.04 and crashed my system on boot. this meant i was left with Turbo ST. finding a working copy of Turbo ST was an adventure through ancient warez disks. eventually I found a self-extracting file named TURBOST.APP in one of the Pompey Pirates disks - jackpot! extracted it to my ramdisk and made a backup of the contents - a full copy of Turbo ST and all its utilities. i was also greeted by a README with a little change: quote:
how fast is it, though? I booted up GEMBench and benchmarked my system without an accelerator and with Turbo ST running:  yeah. with nothing but a 50KB TSR, I've got a pretty good speedup in the GEM desktop and my other desktop applications. it's much faster and responsive now, windows opening instantly. combined with a disk caching TSR I grabbed, this machine is getting pretty speedy.
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