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OSI bean dip posted:I think that talking about prostitutes in such a light speaks volumes about you as a person. OSI bean dip posted:I'm telling you that turning off Windows Update because you have terrible expectations for vendor compatibility is a terrible opinion. OSI bean dip posted:I never once mentioned "0-day" here because I actually have an understanding of information security. If you yourself did you would not advocate such a dumbass idea. If you had an understanding of English, you could have picked out the relatively simple concept that the reference to "0-Day" was quite obviously used to mark the immediate download and installation of windows updates on the day they were available. Which is exactly what Windows Update does. Note that this is without organized QA, so a lot of problem updates have been released, which is frustrating to technical people and infuriating to users. Arsten fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Oct 14, 2016 |
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Arsten posted:If you had an understanding of English, you could have picked out the relatively simple concept that the reference to "0-Day" was quite obviously used to mark the immediate download and installation of windows updates on the day they were available. Which is exactly what Windows Update does. Note that this is without organized QA, so a lot of problem updates have been released. except "0-day" is clearly meant to refer to vulnerabilities for which patches haven't been released for yet, hence the term "0-day" meaning that users have had zero days to prepare for an attack.
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Segmentation Fault posted:except "0-day" is clearly meant to refer to vulnerabilities for which patches haven't been released for yet, hence the term "0-day" meaning that users have had zero days to prepare for an attack. The following two words were what? "windows updates" as in "0-day windows updates". I'm sorry this is such an impasse in understanding for you. I hereby change the language to "same-day windows updating" for your ease in understanding.
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Arsten posted:It says volumes about you as a person that you would prefer to ignore that prostitutes exist and that a large number of them have stigmatized diseases. This is a really dumb opinion to have. Arsten posted:Except that Microsoft offers that exact option for Enterprise customers. And if you have a computer, you don't want it to randomly not work, even if it's only parts of it. And your opinion about "vendor compatibility" was moot, seeing as you ignored the fact that it was all camera apps wouldn't function except Microsoft's because they broke how cameras talked to their corresponding applications. I guess home users have patch cycles and change management boards? And oh no. Camera apps don't work. It's not like Microsoft didn't or won't issue a patch to fix this! Arsten posted:If you had an understanding of English, you could have picked out the relatively simple concept that the reference to "0-Day" was quite obviously used to mark the immediate download and installation of windows updates on the day they were available. Which is exactly what Windows Update does. Note that this is without organized QA, so a lot of problem updates have been released, which is frustrating to technical people and infuriating to users. You have no clue about what "0-day" really means.
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OSI bean dip posted:This is a really dumb opinion to have. OSI bean dip posted:I guess home users have patch cycles and change management boards? And oh no. Camera apps don't work. It's not like Microsoft didn't or won't issue a patch to fix this! OSI bean dip posted:You have no clue about what "0-day" really means. I'll bet you didn't know about that second one, considering your reaction to the term and inability to understand how it's applied here.
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I noticed that Windows 10 now has a Guest account. When I log in to it, the File Explorer icon is the only thing on the taskbar that works (the Start button, Task View button, Cortana, etc all do nothing), and trying to change display settings by right-clicking the desktop pops up an error message saying there's no program associated with ms-settings:display. Is this Guest account thing a new feature that Microsoft have only half-implemented?
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A good poster posted:I noticed that Windows 10 now has a Guest account. When I log in to it, the File Explorer icon is the only thing on the taskbar that works (the Start button, Task View button, Cortana, etc all do nothing), and trying to change display settings by right-clicking the desktop pops up an error message saying there's no program associated with ms-settings:display. Is this Guest account thing a new feature that Microsoft have only half-implemented? No. Guest accounts have been around for as long as I've used Windows NT. They are usually disabled by default, these days though. Basically, Guest has pretty much no access rights to do...well much of anything. The last time I used a Guest account (~Vista), I could only run Internet Explorer, Windows Explorer, and the Accessories folder (Notepad, word pad, etc). Edit: It actually appears that the Guest account is horribly broken on Windows 10 and it's supposed to be set in local policy so you can't logon locally. It was supposed to be removed in July of 2015, so it might still be around because of being an upgrade from an earlier version of Windows. So I was wrong: It is half implemented, now. 
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Hey guys, I am going to disable windows update and I also think anti virus is good.
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Arsten posted:I've been insulted. On the internet. By a poster with poor opinions. It was a really fitting reply to your idiotic post, not sure if you're just wacky trollin in 2016 but don't tell people to disable OS updates.
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Pryor on Fire posted:It was a really fitting reply to your idiotic post, not sure if you're just wacky trollin in 2016 but don't tell people to disable OS updates. Nah man; antivirus will keep him safe.
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Pryor on Fire posted:It was a really fitting reply to your idiotic post, not sure if you're just wacky trollin in 2016 but don't tell people to disable OS updates. I don't tell people to. But I'm not going to pass judgement on people who are a part of the many having terrible experiences over Windows updates. I'm also certainly not going to blame every camera manufacturer in the world because Microsoft broke a long standing video streaming function. I'm also not going to blame the users when Microsoft's lovely update mechanism makes them turn it off. We were here before in the saga that was Windows XP. lovely updates breaking things to the point that Microsoft spent around a decade making Updates as painless as possible only undo that reputation over the course of the last three years or so. It's not like they don't have a handful of "how to do new updates right" examples available to them. This isn't new territory where mistakes are to be expected. Google's self-branded phones, netbooks, and such. Apple's macOS and iOS. Linux and BSD. All of them give the user the advisement that an update is available and prompts them to do so at a time appropriate to them. This was even available in older versions of Windows. Many users are familiar with "wait two weeks, check your favorite news source for updates causing fires for your particular situation and then install" simply because they've done it with their devices for a long time, now, including with Windows. Are there people who think disabling security updates and install McAfee 99 while clutching a smartphone and reading Thurrott is the perfect security configuration? Yes. But even if Windows Updates were perfection incarnate, these people would still be this retarded, so it's not like they are gaining traction with this kind of user anyway. (This kind of user is probably just now upgrading to Windows 7) ratbert90 posted:Nah man; antivirus will keep him safe. Arsten fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Oct 14, 2016 |
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quote:It's not like they don't have a handful of "how to do new updates right" examples available to them. This isn't new territory where mistakes are to be expected. quote:Google's self-branded phones, netbooks, and such. quote:Apple's macOS and iOS. quote:Linux and BSD.  quote:All of them give the user the advisement that an update is available and prompts them to do so at a time appropriate to them. quote:This was even available in older versions of Windows. Many users are familiar with "wait two weeks, check your favorite news source for updates causing fires for your particular situation and then install" simply because they've done it with their devices for a long time, now, including with Windows. quote:Did AntiVirus touch you wrong or something? AntiVirus is bad and poo poo and you shouldn't use it. The problems and security holes caused by anti virus are worse than not having it.
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ratbert90 posted:Not really. ratbert90 posted:Nexus phones have had poo poo updates that broke things all the time? Bluetooth, gps, cell signal quality etc etc. Nexus updates are great if you wait to install them about 3 weeks (in my own experience, which is limited to only 3 years and two devices). iOS adoption is staggered over two to three months for each security update and around 4 or 5 months for the major updates and it's probably one of the best real world update propagation scenarios. And, yet, choosing when to install these updates hasn't destroyed updates getting pushed out in a time frame that's reasonable. A tremendous help to the more advanced people that do things when they go to bed/whatever is having an option that says "Install updates on next shut down/reboot." ratbert90 posted:Which is bad because people will hold off indefinitely on a update. ratbert90 posted:AntiVirus is bad and poo poo and you shouldn't use it. The problems and security holes caused by anti virus are worse than not having it.
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Arsten is a stupid idiot bad poster but at least coming in here to laugh at his bad posts resulted in other posts explaining to me why my PC keeps turning itself on at 9 at night every once and a while so thanks for that other thread posters.
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Ha-ha! You were not aware, were you, of my 0-day definition for the phrase 0-day! Perhaps it is you who are out of touch and ... in need of some updates!
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Arsten posted:The problem is that some people leave the computer on doing things. Maybe you're installing Gentoo in a VM or encoding that porn you and significant other made. At a random time that is considered "inactive" (even if the CPU use is high and even if there is active user use via mouse and keyboard) it will look for, find, and install updates and then reboot. Depending on the update, this can be while you stepped away to go tend to a crying child while doing, say, taxes. Stop posting lol
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I stopped by this thread to say that they should rename 'windows 10' to just 'windows update' to avoid any further confusion.
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Seriously this poo poo is like owning a $800 tamagotchi. It's not just MS either...
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Arsten posted:
I think I've forgotten more about windows 10 then you ever knew, stop telling people to disable updates you loving dumb shithead.
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Pryor on Fire posted:I think I've forgotten more about windows 10 then you ever knew, stop telling people to disable updates you loving dumb shithead. I haven't told anyone to do so. The closest I have come is to advocate for more configuration options for the auto updates so that end users can avoid the constant negativity that immediate updates has been causing. Why? Because the harder you make this on them, the less the users will give two rats asses about security and the quicker they'll ignore actual, needed updates. I don't know about you, but I don't want Windows 10 to be Windows XP Jr because everyone outside of companies is at a random service pack level with zero additional updates.
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I hope someone notices this post despite this stupid loving slap-fight... My taskbar icons just started flashing off and back on today. It's a couple seconds between flashes. I've restarted my computer, but it does the same thing. What the hell is going on?
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hooah posted:I hope someone notices this post despite this stupid loving slap-fight... Is it flashing in green/orange like its trying to get your attention or is it refreshing the icons, which is "blanking" the space and then showing the icon again a second or two later - possibly with a white page as the icon in refresh loop somewhere? The first I have seen happen, but haven't heard of a solution outside of restoring the system. The second is a profile corruption. You can test if it's profile corruption by creating a new user and logging into it and surfing the web for 15 or 20 minutes or so to see if the flashing goes away. Arsten fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Oct 15, 2016 |
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Arsten posted:Is it flashing in green/orange like its trying to get your attention or is it refreshing the icons, which is "blanking" the space and then showing the icon again a second or two later - possibly with a white page as the icon in refresh loop somewhere? It was the latter without blank icons, but a very quick off-on. However, it seems to have stopped right after I posted. Thanks, Murphy.
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hooah posted:It was the latter without blank icons, but a very quick off-on. However, it seems to have stopped right after I posted. Thanks, Murphy. My toast always lands butter side down!
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Forced updates solve a larger issue than a bug in webcams introduces.
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Badly done forced updates are worse than whatever security consequences for the individual user.
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Khablam posted:Forced updates solve a larger issue than a bug in webcams introduces. Forced SECURITY updates. Security. There has been a separate category for important updates (of which the majority are security) for a goddamn decade and, just like a bunch of other functionality, they somehow lost the ability to distinguish between vital poo poo that protects the collective population of the internet and poo poo that there is no reason to prevent people from vetting for themselves. Of course people are going to turn off all updates if updates start breaking their personal machines. Microsoft doesn't want security, they want control, otherwise they'd give up some control to ensure more people got the security. Che Delilas fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Oct 15, 2016 |
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Che Delilas posted:Forced SECURITY updates. Security. There has been a separate category for important updates (of which the majority are security) for a goddamn decade and, just like a bunch of other functionality, they somehow lost the ability to distinguish between vital poo poo that protects the collective population of the internet and poo poo that there is no reason to prevent people from vetting for themselves. heh yeah man screw micro$oft, hold on gotta install this patch for zonealarm then im gonna rip this avril lavigne album with winamp
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Khablam posted:Forced updates solve a larger issue than a bug in webcams introduces.
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Che Delilas posted:Forced SECURITY updates. Security. There has been a separate category for important updates (of which the majority are security) for a goddamn decade and, just like a bunch of other functionality, they somehow lost the ability to distinguish between vital poo poo that protects the collective population of the internet and poo poo that there is no reason to prevent people from vetting for themselves. Managing an endless list of variable pre-requisites and patch environments so people can remove updates that break 3rd party apps goes back to it being the problem of 3rd party apps. Oh, your program has deep system hooks and you haven't updated it since 2011? Good idea. Ghostlight posted:A lack of confidence in updates causes the problem that created forced updates in the first place. You can see the whole thing as a litmus test if you want; if you're not able enough to adjust the way win 10 handles updates, you're in no position to be opting out of updates anyway.
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Khablam posted:Managing an endless list of variable pre-requisites and patch environments so people can remove updates that break 3rd party apps goes back to it being the problem of 3rd party apps. Oh, your program has deep system hooks and you haven't updated it since 2011? Good idea. If there really is the complaint that windows 10 updates are breaking third-party software, I'm not sure how anyone could blame Microsoft for it. I mean, I've has some trouble with an update borking some driver, but it was definitely the fault of the people who wrote that driver ... I didn't check to see if there was an option for it on windows 10, but on my machine at work I'll install any security updates in the morning because it takes like a minute, and the rest of it I just schedule for lunchtime or something. My complaint is that it's really lovely to start up my laptop and have windows and every other piece software request updates, when I probably don't give the slightest poo poo about any new features. I mean, my windows 3.1 computer wasn't talking to the entire world all of the time, but I did pretty much the same poo poo on it. In the time it takes to do that nonsense I could just handwrite my work on paper. I feel that 'write lovely programs and unfuck them eventually' is becoming a well accepted way to develop software. And I don't know if anyone's tried installing windows 7 on a machine lately, but the difficulty of updating it is what drove me to pick up a windows 10 license.
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Khablam posted:Oh, your program has deep system hooks and you haven't updated it since 2011? Good idea. Also, you are totally wrong about how much of this stuff is becoming microsoft's fault, rather than anything blamable on badly-written software or cheap hardware with crap drivers. The webcam thing, the way they broke their own 360 controllers, the way they've rolled out updates with known problems. You are vastly overestimating the problems that come from old software from 2011; IMHO it's the new stuff that came from MS that's busted. My programs that worked fine in 7 still work fine in 10. Built-in appx stuff is astoundingly unreliable. For example, I have a problem that Windows 10 will not let me re-assign the PDF program association. I tell it to use foxit, it works once, then the association is reset to Edge. Is foxit a program with "deep system hooks"? (no.) Why is the file association & default program system in windows 10 so broken? I would love to see your explaination for why stuff like that isn't microsoft's fault. quote:You can see the whole thing as a litmus test if you want; if you're not able enough to adjust the way win 10 handles updates, you're in no position to be opting out of updates anyway.
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"gently caress you, got mine. Git gud."
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PerrineClostermann posted:"gently caress you, got mine. Git gud." Klyith posted:"heh your computer got broken by updates? learn 2 be a computer janitor like me, luser!" If it sounds reductionist and needlessly haughty, enjoy the posting mirror. But a serious post - the only problem with the system as it is lies in the scheduling one block of 12hours. Hopefully we don't have to wait long until you can just colour in your own 18hours or whatever and get some flexibility there. In principle forcing a reboot during an inactive period every 24hrs is good because overwhelmingly desktops and laptops are simply suspended/sleep and not shut down. My uptime has gotten into weeks before and that's without any sense of trying to achieve it. You don't want a published in-the-wild RCE unpatched for days or weeks, you want it to be hours if that's actually possible, and it seems MS are actually mostly achieving that. That's pretty loving cool actually. We all work on the assumption "no bad happens unless I gently caress up" but if you look at the dire straits of a lot of third party software wrt vulnerabilities, it's not inconcievable we'll see another zero-interaction worm in the future, and then when every loving thing is being DDos'd you get to go "urgh... why don't people patch".
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It would be pretty sweet if it just went by your schedule in outlook.
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PerrineClostermann posted:People suspend their desktops? Do you not? I like saving power and reducing the heat output in my house while also retaining my system state. Hibernation and lots of RAM aren't exactly best friends, so sleep/suspend it is.
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Khablam posted:This isn't even partially true.
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I'm sure this is a dumb question but upgrading a PC with older Sandy Bridge hardware (ASUS p8p67 MB and a 2500k) to Windows 10 won't encounter any compatibility issues right? Also should I reset my BIOS to default setting before installing 10 or can I just keep my OC settings intact?
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wolrah posted:Do you not? No. What's the point of a desktop if you're using it like a laptop? Just plug one in to the monitor. Mine runs plex and a few other services 24/7, as does my old e6750 which acts as a NAS. It also hasn't been hit by mandatory updates and restarts. Maybe I somehow disabled that. My uptime is usually on the order of months.
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