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So, they don't actually link emails directly, which pissed me off (a republican friend of mine who will probably vote johnson but is 100% on the "Livia did it" theme of the past 30 years of attacks on Hillary linked it, and he's a good friend so I want to read things and talk to him about things), but here's the pertinent bits of the article:     I tried cutting out the most hand-wavy bits, and most of the emails seem to be by her staff. But they reference things without direct quotes like it's common knowledge - of COURSE the staffers talked directly in emails about evading a subpoena, that's what people DO over official, recorded channels! It just makes me  that all this handwavey bullshit is enough to make good people genuinely hate Clinton.
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it's like these morons didn't learn poo poo from cosby.
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To elaborate on what I just said a little more, your every day racist may hold racist beliefs but this seldom translates well into national policy. And nationalist neo-reactionary governments are more than just the net sum of every racist belief and every racist person in the country. In other words, what Trump is doing is far more destructive than having some 20-30% of your racist population harboring racist beliefs, or even 50%
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In that NBC poll its only Trump +3 for men, and a whopping Clinton +20 for women
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I think/hope that if Trump stays stuck in the gear he's in from now until the election, careening back and forth from globalist cabal conspiracy to demanding drug tests to trashing these female accusers, even with his die hard support he's going to suffer some erosion around the edges that hopefully will yield a couple or a few more percentage points and get us towards the double digit win probably needed to flip the House and ensure a Senate flip. I'm hoping that even some GOP voters will get sick of it after three weeks and throw up their hands and give up. I'm hoping that Trump Fatigue disproportionately affects his own supporters. Unfortunately I expect the Fox News debate to be a shitshow and a hit job on Clinton. Consider how the first Fox GOP primary debate was a total attempt to assassinate Trump's candidacy to what Fox can try when they have an agenda. I hope it's equally successful, though.
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Cingulate posted:Brian Leitner tries an attack on free speech here: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2450866 Free speech zones are unconstitutional bullshit trash and the last time they were used widespread was during the Bush administration for suppressing Iraq War protesters. Not exactly a glowing badge of recommendation. Also if the winds blow the other way (which they will, someday) then you are going to get a lot of 5-4 decisions where too bad, reporting on the concentration camps and protesting Trumps holy crusade is sedition. That poo poo is happening in Australia right now and they don't have as strong of press protections as we do. There is no way to restrict hate speech without it blowing back in your face. The best way is to stop it is to expose it and then destroy it in the court of public opinion. Of course the media has been poo poo at doing it this cycle but that's their fault and they should know better.
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Anos posted:Proof of everything she has been accused of. Must be a very long and extensive article. It's not.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:So, they don't actually link emails directly, which pissed me off (a republican friend of mine who will probably vote johnson but is 100% on the "Livia did it" theme of the past 30 years of attacks on Hillary linked it, and he's a good friend so I want to read things and talk to him about things), but here's the pertinent bits of the article: It would be decent of them to quote the documents and try to provide some backing for the claims. It's pretty hard to validate the claims when they're absent from the article.
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Man I forgot about the ground zero mosque. Looking back, that more than anything really presaged the rise of Trump, it was basically more or less pure anger over the mere fact that muslims exist and live in the US.
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Jygallax posted:Man I forgot about the ground zero mosque. Looking back, that more than anything really presaged the rise of Trump, it was basically more or less pure anger over the mere fact that muslims exist and live in the US. Everything the Tea Party did was basically a prequel to this man, but you can tell there is a yuge difference in scope between angry white people sitting on lawn chairs and someone who is an actual serious presidential candidate.
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https://twitter.com/LPDonovan/status/787407125702021120 More scales falling.
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Even winning the 404 side-by-side.  https://www.donaldjtrump.com/404.php https://www.hillaryclinton.com/404.php
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Feldegast42 posted:There is no way to restrict hate speech without it blowing back in your face. The best way is to stop it is to expose it and then destroy it in the court of public opinion. Of course the media has been poo poo at doing it this cycle but that's their fault and they should know better. The American public can't be trusted with understanding the intricacies of a political ideology they've seldom been exposed to. At least the Germans have a head start over us in that respect.
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https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/787339975767494656quote:NEW: Here's what Clinton told Goldman Sachs about being Secretary of State after the very first Wikileaks release: that silvio berlusconi is a big fat crybaby
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:So, they don't actually link emails directly, which pissed me off (a republican friend of mine who will probably vote johnson but is 100% on the "Livia did it" theme of the past 30 years of attacks on Hillary linked it, and he's a good friend so I want to read things and talk to him about things), but here's the pertinent bits of the article: So it's mixing the usual bullshit with the Clinton campaign recieving emails expressing that sentiment and lots of unquoted 'the emails show', which implies the bullshit is correct somehow.
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pacerhimself posted:It would be decent of them to quote the documents and try to provide some backing for the claims. It's pretty hard to validate the claims when they're absent from the article. It really would be. Unless they're not confident, trying to hide something, or are just doing a bit of arm-waving.
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Lol@ that WSJ article. Look! A guy said to Fox News that it was all corrupt!
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edrith posted:https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/787339975767494656 Well that's another leak that makes me like her better.
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You could do a lot worse than doing exactly the opposite of anything Neera Tanden suggests.
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Retro42 posted:Even winning the 404 side-by-side. Silly 404 pages are entirely my poo poo. The GOP even has one: https://www.gop.com/404/ (how silly it is is up to you decide), though the url of the picture is this: https://prod-static-ngop-pbl.s3.amazonaws.com/static/home/images/404_ermagherd.jpg
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Nessus posted:I think 1a. here is that Hillz has a GOTV operation of fine quality and skill while Trump's GOTV operation is more like Guns Out, Threaten Voters. As an illustration of the difference in the power of the two campaign's ground game, since the 2012 election the Democratic Party of Florida has turned in 177,000 new voter registration forms while the Republican Party of Florida has turned in less than 13,000. Other groups collect registrations and you can self register, but Jesus, look at that gap. Florida has three types of voting; absentee(has been dominated by the Republicans), in person early voting(usually favors Democrats), and in person election day voting. In 2012 the Democrats had the Republicans worried when at this point they had closed the pre-in person early voting gap down to a 3.9% advantage for Republicans. Right now the Republicans are down to a 1.9% advantage. The biggest problem for the Republicans when it comes to the ground game is that they've essentially skipped all the prep work for November. Even if the Republicans initiate an epic get out the vote effort for November 8th, they're already looking hosed. Democrats registered new voters, they've been on their voters' asses to get an absentee ballot and vote even earlier, and all of that is a week before the period of early voting most favorable to them starts. Oh and in 2008, Republicans had a 19 point lead in raw absentee ballot requests. This year the Republicans are up 5.
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Feldegast42 posted:Free speech zones are unconstitutional bullshit trash and the last time they were used widespread was during the Bush administration for suppressing Iraq War protesters. Not exactly a glowing badge of recommendation. I hate to tell you this but historically freedom of speech is kind of optional and pretending that actually using it to protect minorities now is gonna hinder them later kind of ignores everything America has been about for the past two hundred years.
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Retro42 posted:Even winning the 404 side-by-side. Both using php. shameful.
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Until the police decide that saying Black Lives Matter is hate speech. Just like attacking a police officer is a hate crime in some places now. When courts and legislature can control and add to the interpretation of a law/ruling it will backfire. Like saying "gently caress the Police' in those places would be considered hate speech at that point. It's a real dumb loving idea. There are states and cities where police officers are a part of that protected class for hate crimes, but gay people aren't...
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From around the campaign trail: Newt and Rudy both promoting the "rigged election" narrative. https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/787675623179317248 https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/787654464102629376 https://twitter.com/thehill/status/787662137267200000 https://twitter.com/ABC/status/787650600301367296 And gently caress everyone who finds zoo-going moonbase building Newt adorable. He'd happily be Redneck Goebbels.
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https://twitter.com/TeddyDavisCNN/status/787677876741169152 "If we can discredit one of them, we automatically discredit them all!  "
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edrith posted:https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/787339975767494656 burlosconi is a giant fat bald bitch
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CharlestheHammer posted:I hate to tell you this but historically freedom of speech is kind of optional and pretending that actually using it to protect minorities now is gonna hinder them later kind of ignores everything America has been about for the past two hundred years. America's past history of minority suppression is exactly why I think suppressing free speech is bad. The mechanisms are already there to turn it around a law meant to squelch the KKK to instead be used against BLM, for instance.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Johnson is WAY too high. Ignore Reuters/Ipsos state polls. They're the LAT of state polls. Why? They ask where the person they're polling lives, and once they get enough people to have a  reasonable number for respondents for a state, they release the scraped numbers.
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iospace posted:JFK won in 1960? And gently caress Alternative Timeline Newt too! All of them! Edit - yeah it was 1960. Killed during his term, LBJ won in 64 then Nixon in 68, Nixon reelected in 72. Zwabu fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Oct 16, 2016 |
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punk rebel ecks posted:Johnson is WAY too high.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I hate to tell you this but historically freedom of speech is kind of optional and pretending that actually using it to protect minorities now is gonna hinder them later kind of ignores everything America has been about for the past two hundred years.
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edrith posted:https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/787339975767494656 I'm trying to get that jacket
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1960 was the closest presidential race in American history by popular vote. This election is not going to be nearly that close and therefore someone "stealing" it is totally outside the realm of possibility. Cmon Newt.
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iospace posted:JFK won in 1960? Think Newt is trying to say the Dems stole the election from Tricky Dick.
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