|
So am I right in assuming that whatever killed Clariss is actually Savitar?
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 16:25
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 9, 2024 22:09 |
|
|
ded posted:Cool a new season! Annnnnnnd the villan is... ANOTHER SPEEDSTER!! WOW! I can't believe we're barely three seasons in and they've managed to cram in eight speedsters.
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 17:28
|
|
|
JT Smiley posted:I can't believe we're barely three seasons in and they've managed to cram in eight speedsters. Every time a speedster gets their lightning, Barry's Mom dies (again)
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 17:35
|
|
|
I hope Zoom returns and starts a speedster purge.
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 17:46
|
|
|
So serious talk: What timeline are we up to now? It's at least the fifth or sixth since the show started, right?
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 17:59
|
|
|
Going by the standard that every run of time travel creates its own timeline. Timeline 1: Future Flash and Reverse-Flash. Timeline 2: Reverse-Flash murders Barry-mom. Timeline 3: Flash resets Central City from getting drowned by Weather Wizard's wave. Timeline 4: Flash goes back in time to watch his mom get murdered. Timeline 5: Flash goes back to stop Vandal Savage from vaporizing Central City. Timeline 6: Flash goes back to talk to Eobard-Wells. Pied Piper becomes good guy. Timeline 7: Flashpoint timeline. Timeline 8: Flashpoint adjusted timeline where we're at now.
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 18:49
|
|
|
I thought it was hilarious that they go out of their way to show that Pied Piper was changed by timeline shenanigans, then he fucks off back to his planet and is never heard from after.
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 19:01
|
|
|
greatn posted:Well so did Cisco They actually had Joe say "that's right around the corner" when the alert came up to cover that one.
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 19:41
|
|
|
Can we count how much legends of tomorrow fucks with the timeline too?
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 19:45
|
|
|
No Butt Stuff posted:Or they could conceivably not have Norah Allen living be something the effects the gender of Diggle's child. Or anything in a city 600 miles away. I understand the whole "butterfly effect" thing, but it's also not hard to suspend your disbelief that maybe it wouldn't radiate outward that far, that quickly. I mean, what? Does she later run over an ARGUS platoon killing Lyla? I thought reverse flash did a poo poo ton of time travel fuckery at the end of the first episode leading to that world. Hence the knowing, "You'll see".
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 19:49
|
|
|
Guy A. Person posted:TBF we don't know that. If it is Draco Malfoy he got across town pretty quick after all... Maybe he's Savitar and playing a long game using Dr. Alchemy?
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 19:57
|
|
|
People thought the movie "Primer" was convoluted with it's time poo poo. Flash just doesn't give a gently caress.
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 20:11
|
|
|
McTimmy posted:Timeline 5: Flash goes back to stop Vandal Savage from vaporizing Central City. Wait what
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 21:05
|
|
|
MiddleOne posted:Wait what Yeah this happened during last year's crossover event, it was the big leadup to Legends of Tomorrow.
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 21:09
|
|
|
Scyantific posted:Yeah this happened during last year's crossover event, it was the big leadup to Legends of Tomorrow. I have no memory at all of this.
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 21:13
|
|
|
McTimmy posted:
I don't think this created a new timeline since basically all he did was talk to a dying woman (which now that's unfortunately erased and his mom has the most frightening version of her death instead, nice going Bar')
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 21:16
|
|
|
Guy A. Person posted:I don't think this created a new timeline since basically all he did was talk to a dying woman (which now that's unfortunately erased and his mom has the most frightening version of her death instead, nice going Bar') He didn't stick around in it but it still would have created one. MiddleOne posted:I have no memory at all of this. You must not have watched both sides.
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 21:17
|
|
|
Guy A. Person posted:I don't think this created a new timeline since basically all he did was talk to a dying woman (which now that's unfortunately erased and his mom has the most frightening version of her death instead, nice going Bar') Yeah, probably not, I just listed it for absolute completeness. Though I'm still probably missing something.
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 21:20
|
|
|
MiddleOne posted:I have no memory at all of this. I don't blame you. The Hawks were probably the most bland storyline.
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 21:25
|
|
|
Scyantific posted:I don't blame you. The Hawks were probably the most bland storyline. The scene where everyone died was pretty great though
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 21:40
|
|
|
Aphrodite posted:You must not have watched both sides. Arrow has this problem where it is just as bad as The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow but just not in an entertaining way.
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 21:51
|
|
|
McTimmy posted:Going by the standard that every run of time travel creates its own timeline. One is going back like 24 hours or some small amount of time. You're not really going back to the past, so much as you're rewinding the clock. Even Wellsobard calls what Barry did in s1 a "time reversion" or something to that effect. Barry didn't create a whole new timeline, he just went back one day to do something different. This is why there aren't two Barrys running around when he stops the hurricane, or goes back when Vandal destroys Star City. The other is legit time travel, going back to longer periods ago to change something. This is what we saw in s2e17: there were two Barrys, because our Barry was going back several months ago to a time that "solidified" as the show terms. This also includes going to when his mom died. So the amount of timelines is more like: Timeline 01: Newspaper timeline, where Eobard came from. Timeline 02: Original show timeline, created when Eobard killed Nora. Timeline 03: Created when Barry went back in time in S2 to talk with Wellsobard. No major changes apart from Hartley now being a good guy. Lasts until the s2 finale. Though the show doesn't really seem to acknowledge this as its own timeline, perhaps because there were no major changes? Timeline 04: Flashpoint. Timeline 05: Same timeline as 02+03, only with minor differences (Joe didn't tell Iris about her mother, Caitlin is developing meta-human powers, Cisco's brother was killed in a DUI crash, etc) So if we don't count Timeline 03 since the show doesn't seem to acknowledge it, we have about 4 different timelines.
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 22:31
|
|
|
They should all create alternate timelines, but not all of them have altered the prime timeline that most episodes take place in.
|
|
#
?
Oct 15, 2016 22:54
|
|
|
lotus circle posted:The way I see it, there are two kinds of time travel on this show. Other timeline 5 "minor" changes - a guy working with Barry for over a year who is in charge of any meta investigation, Diggle's kid changing sex. People getting powers that didn't have them and family members dying are not minor changes.
|
|
#
?
Oct 16, 2016 09:52
|
|
|
Maybe Diggles kid was going to grow up and identify as a male anyway.
|
|
#
?
Oct 16, 2016 13:15
|
|
|
Mr Beens posted:Other timeline 5 "minor" changes - a guy working with Barry for over a year who is in charge of any meta investigation, Diggle's kid changing sex.
|
|
#
?
Oct 16, 2016 17:34
|
|
|
lotus circle posted:Timeline 05: Same timeline as 02+03, only with minor differences (Joe didn't tell Iris about her mother, Caitlin is developing meta-human powers, Cisco's brother was killed in a DUI crash, etc) Joe didn't tell Iris about her mother in the original timeline either, the difference there was Iris forgave him
|
|
#
?
Oct 16, 2016 18:06
|
|
|
Azhais posted:Joe didn't tell Iris about her mother in the original timeline either, the difference there was Iris forgave him
|
|
#
?
Oct 16, 2016 19:11
|
|
|
I did not like Barry's decisions at the end of last season, but I appreciate how the show refused to let him wriggle out of it.
|
|
#
?
Oct 16, 2016 19:14
|
|
|
Heh, I have gotten drunk with Draco Irl, nice to see he is getting work again.
|
|
#
?
Oct 16, 2016 20:37
|
|
|
I wonder how much of this is "I'm bored and want to work" and how much is "I need money" for Draco. Surely the Potter films gave him enough money to live on for a good little while, right?
|
|
#
?
Oct 16, 2016 20:45
|
|
|
Tom Felton has been in plenty of things since 2011 you guys, he's not destitute just because he's on a CW show.
|
|
#
?
Oct 16, 2016 20:59
|
|
|
lotus circle posted:Tom Felton has been in plenty of things since 2011 you guys, he's not destitute just because he's on a CW show. It's definitely a cry for help though.
|
|
#
?
Oct 16, 2016 21:51
|
|
|
Bruceski posted:Dr Alchemy isn't a speedster. Barry Allen is the villain
|
|
#
?
Oct 16, 2016 22:09
|
|
|
Falun Bong Refugee posted:It's definitely a cry for help though. Maybe he just wants to "get with" Candice Patton
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2016 00:42
|
|
|
lotus circle posted:Yes he did. He told her early on what really happened, and Iris had a meeting with her mom because of it. The implication in the new timeline is Iris never was told her mom was alive before she died, and then Wally appeared which clued Iris in on the truth. My impression is he told her exactly at the same time as last timeline, just this time she reacted differently. I'm going to guess presumably in one timeline she won the underground guitar hero tournament against Diggle in the preceding commercial break, but in this timeline Diggle won that tournament because having a boy instead of a girl made him better at guitar hero for some reason. So she wasn't in as good a mood.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2016 01:19
|
|
|
Guy Goodbody posted:Maybe he just wants to "get with" Candice Patton Who the heck wouldn't?
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2016 01:22
|
|
|
Gay dudes, racists, people in committed relationships, close family members.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2016 01:29
|
|
|
MiddleOne posted:We're two episodes in and Barry has yet to kill anyone. Maybe things are changing. Rhyno posted:Clearly Barry broke the timeline a bit more than we realized. Writh posted:Until using his super speed makes him forget that anything ever happened. I really hope the show at least mentions it happening, just as a "See, we didn't forget our own rules!" from the writing room. Come on, it would be so easy. Just one little scene where someone asks what happened in the other timeline, and Barry realizes he can't recall any of it. I'd forgive a lot if they just remembered to bring that up again.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2016 02:28
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 9, 2024 22:09 |
|
|
Robot Hobo posted:According to the first episode of the season, this is exactly what should happen in a few months. Quicker, even, since Barry was taking it easy and not having to superhero full time in the pre-matricide timeline. Bringing it up again would by definition violate that rule since they'd remember it.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2016 02:34
|
|
