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Drewjitsu posted:Wow lookit this tough guy over here. Wow look who has done precisely 0 loud One Down jobs.
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THE CHORSE posted:Today? Goddamn it, so I missed my chance to get through One Down when it was actually difficult. Wonderful. shut up
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Oct 16, 2016 19:55
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THE CHORSE posted:Wow look who has done precisely 0 loud One Down jobs. dont answer back, you twat
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Oct 16, 2016 20:18
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THE CHORSE posted:Today? Goddamn it, so I missed my chance to get through One Down when it was actually difficult. Wonderful. Just don't shoot enemies in the head and you can be a ~*tough guy who can handle high difficulties in games*~
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Oct 16, 2016 20:27
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chairface posted:One notable use for not-berzerk melee is whacking a cop once to get him injured at all so you can shout him down while reloading. I've played on and off since the beta. Mostly up to a little before the skill tree revamp. So I know that much  . Just checking if something had changed.
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THE CHORSE posted:Wow look who has done precisely 0 loud One Down jobs. turn on ur monitor
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The Panic Room patch is live. Changelog looks promising, though with the enemy health being boosted 600-900% I'm not sure if that headshot multiplier boost is enough. Unless it really amounts to +75% damage as I'm reading it:
Note that when I check the Goliath's damage fall off stats, it's still showing up as 10-30m when every other shotgun in the game starts its falloff at 40m, so who knows how much of this list is legit. Daryl Surat fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Oct 16, 2016 |
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Oct 16, 2016 21:36
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quote:Mr.Hoxton 2 minutes ago gently caress you and your garbage tier free content Overkill! I want good and free stuff!  Also all those commas are causing me physical pain.
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Oct 16, 2016 21:38
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If it works like the bonus multiplier that Overkill and Very Hard have, it's a straight * 1.5 on top of the other headshot multipliers. It'll make things more bearable but you will still need specs into Berserker to get decent damage.
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UnknownMercenary posted:If it works like the bonus multiplier that Overkill and Very Hard have, it's a straight * 1.5 on top of the other headshot multipliers. It'll make things more bearable but you will still need specs into Berserker to get decent damage. Yeah, changes to armor or headshot multipliers don't address the underlying problems with raw increases in enemy health, damage, and accuracy (accuracy being especially puzzling).
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Daryl Surat posted:Note that when I check the Goliath's damage fall off stats, it's still showing up as 10-30m when every other shotgun in the game starts its falloff at 40m, so who knows how much of this list is legit.
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That 50% HS change looks like a arbitrary place holder till they do a lot more fine tuning with the other elements like raw incoming damage and health.
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Discendo Vox posted:Yeah, changes to armor or headshot multipliers don't address the underlying problems with raw increases in enemy health, damage, and accuracy (accuracy being especially puzzling).
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Oct 16, 2016 22:18
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UnknownMercenary posted:e: somebody on Reddit made tables of the current madness that is "shots to kill"  Also did not realize it took 9 loving shots to kill a tan with a 42 damage weapon lmbo
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Oct 16, 2016 22:20
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:How long until Wilko ousts this Jules feller we keep hearing about, who keeps doing dumbass balance poo poo? They have different jobs, and I think Jules is in charge.
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Oct 16, 2016 22:39
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found the toothbrush and dropped it off in the truck but it didn't count for me. i wanted that dang toothbrush!
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THE CHORSE posted:Today? Goddamn it, so I missed my chance to get through One Down when it was actually difficult. Wonderful. Don't worry, I doubt they changed the escape driver's multiplier.
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oohhboy posted:That 50% HS change looks like a arbitrary place holder till they do a lot more fine tuning with the other elements like raw incoming damage and health. I wouldn't say arbitary, but band-aid fix, yeah. They did just deliver a ten day content drop and mutators (etc) are buggy as hell. I'm sure they need to regroup and do some QA catchup before tackling a comprehensive fix on the balance. For all we know, of course, Jules isn't the only person to blame but he's a convenient figurehead. speaking of which is there a source for him saying he didn't like the concept of "a meta" (in regards to balance) or something, because I heard this but it was never sourced. Psion fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Oct 16, 2016 |
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Meta is going to happen no matter what he wants and I don't think he is so oblivious to not realise that. It just sounds too stupid to be true.
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oohhboy posted:Meta is going to happen no matter what he wants and I don't think he is so oblivious to not realise that. It just sounds too stupid to be true. I think you're giving him way too much credit.
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I'd guess that's a combination of the language barrier and the game of telephone that always happens with statements on the internet.
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Soral posted:found the toothbrush and dropped it off in the truck but it didn't count for me. i wanted that dang toothbrush! PSA: It's currently bugged (or the description of the achievement/trophy are incomplete) and you need to secure the toothbrush as the first bag in order for it to count.
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Psion posted:speaking of which is there a source for him saying he didn't like the concept of "a meta" (in regards to balance) or something, because I heard this but it was never sourced. I looked up the Q&A stream which I had previously just scanned the notes for - Jules never mentions disliking the concept of a meta, he was talking about trying to make every weapon viable. Trying to make it so the top 3 weapons weren't the CAR-4, Loco, and Thanatos and were 50% of the userbase's loadout. Remind me not to read Q&A stream notes written by a salty Steam forums idiot. Actually, no, you shouldn't have to remind me.
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Pre-rebalance meta was really bad. Post-housewarming meta is almost as bad. At least we had a good run.
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rip payday 2 he never scored
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ClonedPickle posted:I looked up the Q&A stream which I had previously just scanned the notes for - Jules never mentions disliking the concept of a meta, he was talking about trying to make every weapon viable. Trying to make it so the top 3 weapons weren't the CAR-4, Loco, and Thanatos and were 50% of the userbase's loadout. Haha well he certainly failed at that with the new event.
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watho posted:Pre-rebalance meta was really bad. Post-housewarming meta is almost as bad. At least we had a good run. Not really. The pre-rebalance meta was mostly fine. The meta prior to Housewarming was probably somewhat better thanks to the skill tree revamp, but if you didn't figure out that shotguns and Anarchist were significantly better in a build than basically anything else, I don't know what to tell you. Even with the skill rebalance, a number of trees were (and remain) terrible: Controller, Sharpshooter, Ammo Specialist, Engineer (after fixes), half of Breacher, and most of Relentless. The meta might have seemed better because it was more forgiving of suboptimal choices, but you can't pretend that choices were balanced in relation to one another.
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the raven seems to not kill for poo poo now whereas the last time i used it, it was great for sniping out everything
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW5oGRx9CLM I don't know if this got posted yet but the Hardcore Henry guy did a video for The Weeknd, and... it's pretty much Payday fanfiction And it loving owns (probably  unless you work at a blood factory)
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Chains is in a pickle!
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LuciferMorningstar posted:Not really. The pre-rebalance meta was mostly fine. The meta prior to Housewarming was probably somewhat better thanks to the skill tree revamp, but if you didn't figure out that shotguns and Anarchist were significantly better in a build than basically anything else, I don't know what to tell you. I'm not saying that it was perfect but I could pick any weapon, build a spec around it, and be viable. Like, yeah, there will always be a few things that will be at least one step ahead of the curve but what matters is if you can take the others and still perform well. pre-rebalance was a lot more lenient than I give it credit for but there were essentially 3 or 4 builds. The pre-housewarming era wasn't perfect, and could definitely use more tweaking but at least it wasn't to the point were weapons below 80 damage are unusable. I agree completely with your last sentence though, but I can't pretend that there's anything about it that's agreeable.
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Anybody have any picklefaces they're particularly proud of? I'm playing around with it and everything seems to look good but nothing quite looks great to me yet. e:     
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John Murdoch posted:PSA: It's currently bugged (or the description of the achievement/trophy are incomplete) and you need to secure the toothbrush as the first bag in order for it to count. went back and secured ONLY the toothbrush and it failed to count as well. it's just bugged to gently caress.
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Soral posted:went back and secured ONLY the toothbrush and it failed to count as well. it's just bugged to gently caress. Well poo poo. Wonder what could be wrong with it.
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Sykic posted:Don't worry, I doubt they changed the escape driver's multiplier.
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Stumbled across this interesting post on the Steam community forums. Choice bits: quote:Day 10 quote:Day 8  quote:Concussion Grenade
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Goat sim one down is loving miserable.
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watho posted:I'm not saying that it was perfect but I could pick any weapon, build a spec around it, and be viable. Like, yeah, there will always be a few things that will be at least one step ahead of the curve but what matters is if you can take the others and still perform well. I pretty much entirely agree with this. The post-rebalance, pre-Crimefest 2016 was pretty good in terms viability. Most weapons (while not optimal) were at least viable - there were maybe half a dozen that were Truly poo poo and the rest at least had niche appeal to build a gimmick around. Most skill sets were at least semi-viable if you focused on that tree and complimented it well. There were balance issues still, but there was variety and you could make a lot of gimmicks work. Pre-rebalance? Weapons were mostly relegated to 'worse version of the CAR-4' and entire weapon classes were poo poo. Skill builds boiled down to a team of Masterforcers, maybe a Techforcer or a suit Fugimind running Rogue or Grinder just to be different. God forbid you did something crazy like focus on Jokers or turrets or tripmines - those were literal jokes. Post-Crimefest? Half the weapons in the game are worthless (more than that - even the 80 damage guns are struggling and you don't get into Good territory until you pass 100), armor is often an active detriment and health regen/recovery is suicidal (reducing viable perk decks to 2-3), and entire skill trees and weapon classes are poo poo. We're in the adjustment period right now, but the way things are trending is that there's going to end up being (again) only 2-3 builds that are even usable above Overkill. Then there's the bows, but that's kinda a separate problem. The whole thing seems hugely untested and almost unthought about. Again, One Down being difficult and requiring optimization, fine, you expect that to be difficult as poo poo. It's the Overkill->Mayhem jump that really gets me. Normal->Hard->Very Hard->Overkill, you deal with fairly minor increases in difficulty. Your biggest jump is when Tans show up and there it's a leap of maybe double the HP. Then Overkill->Mayhem and suddenly everything's got 3-5x the health, plus the increased damage. I can't figure out how you could even look at that on paper and go 'yeah, that seems like good scaling'.
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Tempest_56 posted:I pretty much entirely agree with this. The post-rebalance, pre-Crimefest 2016 was pretty good in terms viability. Most weapons (while not optimal) were at least viable - there were maybe half a dozen that were Truly poo poo and the rest at least had niche appeal to build a gimmick around. Most skill sets were at least semi-viable if you focused on that tree and complimented it well. There were balance issues still, but there was variety and you could make a lot of gimmicks work. This timeline is off. Pre-rebalance, weapons were not all as bad as everyone claimed and you could use basically all of the 40-damage assault rifles without having trouble. Rogue and Crook were both good when the first showed up, and Grinder was incredibly good when it was released. Dodge builds had a bad rep, but that was entirely because of idiots who were incapable of understanding how dodge builds work. Jokers, turrets, and tripmines have always been trash. They were back then, they are now. The only time turrets weren't bad was when they were broken. Under current conditions, most perk decks are entirely usable through Mayhem, and probably DW if you try hard.
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So are they going to fix this poo poo before the Halloween stuff or do I have to play it like Borderlands / The Division multiple head-shot simulator? (Honestly I would love to have an October where they don't gently caress up the game for months at a time)
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