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Microsoft Edge.
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# ? Oct 16, 2016 01:52 |
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# ? May 9, 2024 21:25 |
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Just use Sumatra. It works perfectly for reading PDFs, it's fast and headache free. There's no reason to use other bloated crap unless you need to edit.
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# ? Oct 16, 2016 02:10 |
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I use Reader. It's the Microsoft one. Works fine and you can add notes and stuff? It's good, try it.
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# ? Oct 16, 2016 09:23 |
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What about PDF editors? Are there any free/low cost programs that have pretty much the same features of Acrobat Pro?
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# ? Oct 16, 2016 21:38 |
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I must be a bad person because I just install the free Adobe Acrobat DC whenever I set up a new computer/reformat and it's been totally fine and unobtrusive.
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# ? Oct 16, 2016 23:01 |
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chocolateTHUNDER posted:I must be a bad person because I just install the free Adobe Acrobat DC whenever I set up a new computer/reformat and it's been totally fine and unobtrusive. No, I do the same. It works fine now.
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# ? Oct 17, 2016 02:40 |
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GreenNight posted:No, I do the same. It works fine now. It's slower than every alternative; 'it works fine' isn't the problem people are trying to solve. Just use edge.
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# ? Oct 17, 2016 03:07 |
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Khablam posted:It's slower than every alternative; 'it works fine' isn't the problem people are trying to solve. There was a time when Acrobat was horrendous, which is why all the alternatives got popular, but every one I tried had limitations and most were buggy as hell. Eventually I just gave up and went back to Acrobat, but found that they had cleaned up their act in the meantime. There's no reason to bother with alternatives unless you happen to have an existing relationship with one that you really like for some reason.
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# ? Oct 17, 2016 04:08 |
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Lork posted:There's no reason to bother with alternatives unless you happen to have an existing relationship with one that you really like for some reason. Same logic, but for the built in versions. There's no reason to go looking for a PDF viewer in 2016. It's like going to look for a jpeg viewer on windows post 98se
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# ? Oct 17, 2016 04:49 |
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Khablam posted:Same logic, but for the built in versions. Netscape browser is the only JPG viewer you need!
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# ? Oct 17, 2016 05:11 |
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Khablam posted:There's no reason to go looking for a PDF viewer in 2016. It's like going to look for a jpeg viewer on windows post 98se
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# ? Oct 17, 2016 05:13 |
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Ghostlight posted:You actually do need to do that on Windows 10 though because Photos sucks. That's why there's IrfanView.
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# ? Oct 17, 2016 05:15 |
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Ah, goon logic. "I don't need this for my specific use case, therefore there's no reason for it! I'm helping in a help thread!"
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# ? Oct 17, 2016 05:24 |
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Honestly my favorite photo viewer is Picasa, it just works as you'd expect, but isn't bloated with features like ifranview. Too bad it doesn't have animated gif support.
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# ? Oct 17, 2016 09:16 |
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Honeyview is pretty good if all you want is an image viewer (not an organizer, editor, etc), I haven't found anything better. Good feature set, uncluttered ui, customizable. Doesn't choke on folders full of large images:
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# ? Oct 17, 2016 10:54 |
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I use Reader for pdf's I have to sign. It's pretty fast and just works.
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# ? Oct 17, 2016 15:58 |
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Read posted:Honeyview is pretty good if all you want is an image viewer (not an organizer, editor, etc), I haven't found anything better. Good feature set, uncluttered ui, customizable. Looks very different on my system. Also would like Up/Down to zoom.
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# ? Oct 17, 2016 19:07 |
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doctorfrog posted:Ah, goon logic. "I don't need this for my specific use case, therefore there's no reason for it! I'm helping in a help thread!" Just because your dumb use case does exist doesn't mean it should exist.
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# ? Oct 17, 2016 19:32 |
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SEKCobra posted:Looks very different on my system. Also would like Up/Down to zoom. Takes like 20s in the options menu to configure it.
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# ? Oct 17, 2016 22:49 |
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Apparently the latest w10 update broke whatever it was that allow people to port desktop gadgets from w7. I really liked the clock and calendar specifically. Anyone have a good alternative that still works? Wanna fill my desktop with clocks. Fuckin clocks everywhere. clockclockclockclo
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# ? Oct 18, 2016 04:06 |
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The Wonder Weapon posted:Apparently the latest w10 update broke whatever it was that allow people to port desktop gadgets from w7. I really liked the clock and calendar specifically. Anyone have a good alternative that still works? Did you try uninstalling and reinstalling the windows gadgets program? (Back up your gadgets first, when I did it, they were wiped and I had to re-find them.)
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# ? Oct 18, 2016 06:58 |
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Desktop gadgets aren't supposed to work. They were removed for a reason - because they were found to be a massive security vulnerability. I'm surprised there was ever a way to bring them across from windows 7, I was under the impression Microsoft pushed out a security update to windows 7 to disable them years ago.
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# ? Oct 18, 2016 10:00 |
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pee out my butt posted:Just because your dumb use case does exist doesn't mean it should exist. When the "use case" is "open a pdf" there are no factors to consider, because all pdf viewers open pdfs. If you need DRM support or need to sign them or w/e then you already know what you need. The Lord Bude posted:Desktop gadgets aren't supposed to work. They were removed for a reason - because they were found to be a massive security vulnerability. I'm surprised there was ever a way to bring them across from windows 7, I was under the impression Microsoft pushed out a security update to windows 7 to disable them years ago. inb4 'but my use case needs a certain clock'
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# ? Oct 18, 2016 10:23 |
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As far as I can tell the only "security vulnerability" (and this is stretching the term) in gadgets is that they can run arbitrary code. But if you look at the spec, this is by design & it's the same risk you take when you run any closed source code. You can probably find a way to run gadgets on Windows 10 despite attempts to prevent it, but I wouldn't suggest it anyways. Gadgets might be perfectly safe, but they're pretty limited in terms of choice. Rainmeter is a good replacement with a much larger library, and all Rainmeter skins are open source by design. Here are some examples from quickly looking on Deviantart. Read fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Oct 18, 2016 |
# ? Oct 18, 2016 11:48 |
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Read posted:As far as I can tell the only "security vulnerability" (and this is stretching the term) in gadgets is that they can run arbitrary code.
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# ? Oct 18, 2016 12:20 |
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Khablam posted:You do realise this is the most severe vulnerability you can get? It's terrible that all applications on your computer have the worst possible vulnerability!
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# ? Oct 18, 2016 12:30 |
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It was down to the fact that the people making gadgets that weren't already malware were writing really bad code that was generally vulnerable to MiTM and code injection (the Blackhat presentation showed them mitm'ing a gadget that was available in the MS gallery). Gadget usage was pretty low anyway so MS decided the attack surface wasn't worth it.
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# ? Oct 18, 2016 14:03 |
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Read posted:It's terrible that all applications on your computer have the worst possible vulnerability! No, they don't. You have no idea what you're saying dude. Remote code execution (RCE) is the holy grail of exploits and knowingly using software with 3+ year old, documented, examples is a bad idea™. https://technet.microsoft.com/library/security/2719662 Keep in mind they removed it because it was being exploited for remote system compromise.
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# ? Oct 18, 2016 14:22 |
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Read posted:Honeyview is pretty good if all you want is an image viewer (not an organizer, editor, etc), I haven't found anything better. Good feature set, uncluttered ui, customizable. I've been happy with FastStone Image Viewer except for 2 things: 1. It doesn't let you skip through decoding a large image before it finishes. This means your picture skipping will lag your mouse wheel if you hit something huge, and 2. It won't auto-resize the view window for large images so they fit the maximum width or height of your display (whichever comes first). ACDSee 3 did both of these things and that was fantastic, but I just can't bring myself to keep using something coming up on 10 years of age. I'll take a look at your suggestion and see how it compares.
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# ? Oct 18, 2016 14:49 |
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Read posted:As far as I can tell the only "security vulnerability" (and this is stretching the term) in gadgets is that they can run arbitrary code. But if you look at the spec, this is by design & it's the same risk you take when you run any closed source code. No,t he problem is that the gadget design required all of them to run in elevated privileges, in order to support functionality that only some of them would ever use. Because of this, it was a much bigger deal when they got remote code execution vulnerabilities than it would be with say a normal word processor. But since so many popular gadgets needed the deep access for what they offered (including system monitoring things), Microsoft couldn't figure out a good way to revise the gadget system to fix the security problems while still allowing those popular gadgets to work. As a result they decided to scrap the program. The Lord Bude posted:Desktop gadgets aren't supposed to work. They were removed for a reason - because they were found to be a massive security vulnerability. I'm surprised there was ever a way to bring them across from windows 7, I was under the impression Microsoft pushed out a security update to windows 7 to disable them years ago. Various people wrote things that would run gadgets, based on their own implementation. Some of those still work, but a lot of them won't run all the gadgets out there.
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# ? Oct 18, 2016 16:23 |
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The Lord Bude posted:Desktop gadgets aren't supposed to work. They were removed for a reason - because they were found to be a massive security vulnerability. I'm surprised there was ever a way to bring them across from windows 7, I was under the impression Microsoft pushed out a security update to windows 7 to disable them years ago. Several years ago when the feature came out, I wrote a couple gadgets. Unfortunately, they remain some of the most popular things I've ever created. I get support requests for them a couple times a month. I just released a small patch a few weeks ago because people were whining so much. It's depressing, really. I shouldn't be mad or surprised, since I myself use the Zune desktop software for music, and you can pry it from my cold dead hands.
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# ? Oct 18, 2016 16:32 |
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After the nth restart one of the gadget programs started working so that's fine for now. I'm not married to "gadgets" per se, I just want to display a couple of clocks and maybe a calendar on the desktop since depending on my activity, there is only a specific part of the screen I can see and it's nice to never be without the time. Plus, you know, it seems like your desktop should be capable of behaving like something more than a folder with a background. I'll check out Read's suggestion. Thanks guys.
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# ? Oct 18, 2016 17:00 |
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Factor Mystic posted:Several years ago when the feature came out, I wrote a couple gadgets. Unfortunately, they remain some of the most popular things I've ever created. I get support requests for them a couple times a month. I just released a small patch a few weeks ago because people were whining so much. It's depressing, really. I'll bet you use Windows Phone, too. (I loved Windows Phone. )
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# ? Oct 18, 2016 17:16 |
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wyoak posted:It was down to the fact that the people making gadgets that weren't already malware were writing really bad code that was generally vulnerable to MiTM and code injection (the Blackhat presentation showed them mitm'ing a gadget that was available in the MS gallery). Gadget usage was pretty low anyway so MS decided the attack surface wasn't worth it. fishmech posted:No,t he problem is that the gadget design required all of them to run in elevated privileges, in order to support functionality that only some of them would ever use. Because of this, it was a much bigger deal when they got remote code execution vulnerabilities than it would be with say a normal word processor. This makes a lot more sense. Khablam posted:
That exploit isn't what I was talking about in the first place, RCE exploits are not an inherent flaw of gadgets. Poorly written gadgets are a security problem, which is the case for all applications (just moreso for gadgets since they apparently need to be run with escalated privileges). So it seems like my premise is still true, which is that a properly written gadget is perfectly safe. Gromit posted:I've been happy with FastStone Image Viewer except for 2 things: 1. It doesn't let you skip through decoding a large image before it finishes. This means your picture skipping will lag your mouse wheel if you hit something huge, and 2. It won't auto-resize the view window for large images so they fit the maximum width or height of your display (whichever comes first). I think Honeyview will do the latter, but the former I'm not so sure about. I don't have any images large enough to cause it to hang (maybe because most of my pictures are on my SSD?).
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# ? Oct 18, 2016 20:35 |
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Ynglaur posted:I'll bet you use Windows Phone, too. (I loved Windows Phone. ) Nah, I switched to iPhone, where the Microsoft apps are better quality. but I still have 2 windows phones on my desk
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# ? Oct 18, 2016 22:12 |
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Me too. Had a brief stint with a Note 5, which I liked until some odd compatibility issue prevented it from syncing with hosted Exchange.
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# ? Oct 18, 2016 22:35 |
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Read posted:So it seems like my premise is still true, which is that a properly written gadget is perfectly safe. It's nigh on impossible to write a program that is safe under those conditions. Probably literally impossible given the mitm possibilities were so strong. Saying "just like every program" is massively untrue however you slice it.
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# ? Oct 18, 2016 23:28 |
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What protections besides privilege escalation control are being mitigated? Even if all protections are mitigated, it's silly to claim it's "nigh on impossible" to write a secure application. Here's a snippet of JS I wrote for a webpage clock display, it is trivial to extend to show a graphical clock. Data is sourced from the local system clock. code:
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# ? Oct 19, 2016 00:46 |
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Read posted:I think Honeyview will do the latter, but the former I'm not so sure about. I don't have any images large enough to cause it to hang (maybe because most of my pictures are on my SSD?). It's not something I really need to deal with that often. Back when I was more into stop motion animation I would often roll through the source photos from the camera to get a feel for the animation before I actually processed them to video, and being able to scroll quickly to later parts of the sequence was useful. Some of those high res shots would take longer to display than I liked. But like you suggest, maybe my last few disk upgrades make this a moot point.
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# ? Oct 19, 2016 03:01 |
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# ? May 9, 2024 21:25 |
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Read posted:What protections besides privilege escalation control are being mitigated? Even if all protections are mitigated, it's silly to claim it's "nigh on impossible" to write a secure application. Here's a snippet of JS I wrote for a webpage clock display, it is trivial to extend to show a graphical clock. Data is sourced from the local system clock.
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 02:25 |