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Landsknecht posted:(possible DDOS?) Digi sends his regards.
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Landsknecht posted:cruisers are good for future AT stuff, the frigates are good for elite lowsec pvp or w/e people will do with them to look cool on twitch but will you dudes have to start ratting like nancydot
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Oct 16, 2016 22:46
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, and even 2nd means that all the PL tourney dudes did really well for themselves financially
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working mom posted:They changed it this year so that you have a maximum of 1 unique ship per match, no pirate ammo and previously have made everything more and more accessible price wise with rule changes. While its still an advantage to have AT ships and more money, with a tournament of players at this level it's expected that they'll have financial backing of some sort and if not then some coordinated poop-socking can make enough money to have a decent go at it and have a blingy flagship. Thunderdome. Each side gets an equal pile of mixed T1 ships and a can full of T1 modules. 60 seconds to fit up before the fight starts. Have tournament champions dying on a hill in a remote rep vexor sporting rails.
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Oct 16, 2016 22:48
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Zephyrine posted:Thunderdome. While I'm sure that'd be entertaining to watch/participate in, the pre-match meta game and practice is half of the of what makes the AT, the AT. It does cost a lot to go to the AT but the effort to practice all the time is less than getting the money together so if you can't do that then I don't know what to tell you
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Oct 16, 2016 22:53
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Zephyrine posted:So Endie what's happening to this guy. Midge isn't in charge of BAT, Endie is.
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Oct 17, 2016 00:05
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The AT is kinda dumb, the reality is that not many people care (like 10-12k viewers at any time on the stream), and the reward is just boondoggles that are only good for selling to rich players, and winning more ATs. To place well in an AT you really need to have about 1T in cash to play with, which basically means that only super serious (or rich and noskill) teams can compete. Seeing as the ever-increasing variety of AT ships means that having these available is very important, newer/not-rich alliances are basically excluded from the thing.
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Oct 17, 2016 00:06
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they should shitcan the whole format and make it an actual..alliance tournament not elite 10v10 in gimmick ships and fits
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Oct 17, 2016 00:13
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LemonDrizzle posted:The cruiser is another Etana - little more than a collector's item on TQ, but an amazing option for a tournament team because it allows you to circumvent bans. Based on half-assed eveHQ mockups, the frigate looks like it'll be a decent amount of fun. I thought the etana would be amazing on TQ if it was possible to ever replace, but never will because the value in future AT comps is so high. working mom posted:They changed it this year so that you have a maximum of 1 unique ship per match A couple years ago when the whole "most AT ships from previous years = most likely to win next AT" was starting to look like a bad trend, I had this idea: AT ships are normal price to field, but give the other team bonus points when killed. So it would be a double edged sword because the ships are super good, but risky because letting them be killed means you need to win by a substantial margin. Also it makes headhunting the AT ships a valid strategy rather than just a moral victory, plus more AT being exploded is always fun for spectators.
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Oct 17, 2016 00:20
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Orange Red Bull posted:they should shitcan the whole format and make it an actual..alliance tournament "But then my elite peeveepee guild of 3 people with links/snakes trolling lowsec won't be able to playyyy"
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Oct 17, 2016 00:38
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Orange Red Bull posted:they should shitcan the whole format and make it an actual..alliance tournament This could be very cool. Especially with the point systems. It could also allow for larger ships.
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Oct 17, 2016 00:47
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im envisioning 250 vs. 250 you could do all kinds of poo poo like BC's, T3's, caps, BS you know.. alliance level things for an alliance tournament
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Oct 17, 2016 00:49
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or would putting 250 in a fleet exclude PL 
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Oct 17, 2016 00:50
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Zephyrine posted:Thunderdome. If they don't have an alpha-clone tournament next year someone has missed a trick.
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Oct 17, 2016 00:56
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Orange Red Bull posted:or would putting 250 in a fleet exclude PL I'm sure they'd find a way to field those numbers. Between retired goons and cannibalizing one of their pet projects it probably wouldn't be that hard.
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Oct 17, 2016 00:59
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Syndic Thrass posted:Shut up retard  But for you. <3
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Oct 17, 2016 01:03
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Some butthurt idiot is DDOS'ng EVE-Bet.
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Oct 17, 2016 01:20
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Why would they bother? It's going to have to be shut down anyway. 
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Oct 17, 2016 01:24
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Orange Red Bull posted:or would putting 250 in a fleet exclude PL it would exclude probably all but three or four alliances to be honest
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Oct 17, 2016 01:26
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getting 250 in fleet (and to have the skills for fitting) is pretty hard for most alliances right now, maybe back in 2012 it would've been easier to do
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Oct 17, 2016 01:36
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Carth Dookie posted:Why would they bother? It's going to have to be shut down anyway. They're still allowed to do betting and payouts for the AT in the meantime though, so probably related to that eg. someone lost big and flipped their poo poo, or possibly an IWI guy butthurt that EVE-Bet is allowed to stay open until November because they never got popped for RMT and forcibly shut down like IWI did. Also Finnish people are weird. Go to http://www.twitter.com/KekkaleTQ to see why.
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Oct 17, 2016 01:37
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Unfunny Poster posted:Also Finnish people are weird. Go to http://www.twitter.com/KekkaleTQ to see why. being nude in a steamhouse watching some video games would be pretty chill
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Oct 17, 2016 01:45
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Unfunny Poster posted:They're still allowed to do betting and payouts for the AT in the meantime though, so probably related to that eg. someone lost big and flipped their poo poo, or possibly an IWI guy butthurt that EVE-Bet is allowed to stay open until November because they never got popped for RMT and forcibly shut down like IWI did. if it's actually true that some IWI guys were doing hardcore RMT then they'd probably be pretty unhappy; with the amount of isk that was apparently moving through their operation someone could've lost a $10k/month income stream
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Oct 17, 2016 02:45
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Kirby Superscare! posted:I didn't even consider the fact that some current EVE players might try to game the newbie ISK mission idea I had. You guys are all correct. If that wasn't possible to happen though, it could be a neat idea I think! It'd be pretty hard to make a in-game boon for newbies that older players couldn't figure out a way to abuse.
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Oct 17, 2016 03:21
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Landsknecht posted:if it's actually true that some IWI guys were doing hardcore RMT then they'd probably be pretty unhappy; with the amount of isk that was apparently moving through their operation someone could've lost a $10k/month income stream Maybe but I think it would've been incredibly hard to hide that $10k/month RMT scheme for so long. I don't doubt they were doing shady poo poo, they always came off as that as opposed to EVE-Bet/EOHPoker, I just don't think it was actual "lol we're making 120k USD a year off EVE ISK gambling" levels.
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Oct 17, 2016 04:52
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Unfunny Poster posted:Maybe but I think it would've been incredibly hard to hide that $10k/month RMT scheme for so long. I don't doubt they were doing shady poo poo, they always came off as that as opposed to EVE-Bet/EOHPoker, I just don't think it was actual "lol we're making 120k USD a year off EVE ISK gambling" levels. if you had a trillion isk laying around what would you do with it if you knew a trillion isk was worth 10k USD on the black market what would you do with it i read a pcgamer interview with lenny talkin about the beginning of his wwb thing when he approached MC and asked: how much would it take to get you involved and MC came back at him with 7T now if you had 7 trillion isk laying around it might occurr to you that its worth about 75k USD if you could somehow find small ways to cash it out. if i had 7 trillion isk i would rmt that poo poo right now no fucks given i mean 
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Oct 17, 2016 05:05
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there is no feasible way to do it in large quantities, no one buys in large quantities and you can't trade in small quantities for long without getting caught, unless you strictly sell to friends and trustworthy people. that's why you only sell to friends 
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Oct 17, 2016 05:10
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:there is no feasible way to do it in large quantities, no one buys in large quantities and you can't trade in small quantities for long without getting caught, unless you strictly sell to friends and trustworthy people. well somebody has been doing it in some for or another since 2003
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Oct 17, 2016 05:14
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i cant see small quantities being worth the hassle ccp is never gonna talk about methods and practices i wish one of the permabanned elder rmt lords would talk about how it went down and quantities and things
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Oct 17, 2016 05:17
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Ask elusif how to purchase fine handcrafted eve golds
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Oct 17, 2016 05:23
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Roses, anyone?
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Oct 17, 2016 05:25
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a casino is the perfect smokescreen for eve rmt you can sell 800b to someone and call it a jackpot what the gently caress is ccp gonna do about it subpoena your source code or check your webdev backend?
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Oct 17, 2016 05:27
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Orange Red Bull posted:a casino is the perfect smokescreen for eve rmt you can sell 800b to someone and call it a jackpot this is exactly it and why most MMOs are banning player-run games of chance also if you want to package a high-value RMT deal in one fell swoop you do it with supercapitals
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Oct 17, 2016 05:31
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RMT prices put that 7T much lower, more like $50k at most. And the entire market for RMT isk is $10-20k per month so good luck.Orange Red Bull posted:ccp is never gonna talk about methods and practices i wish one of the permabanned elder rmt lords would talk about how it went down and quantities and things Some guy posted about it on kugu one time, but he was not selling directly. He was selling in bulk to a major multi-game RMT site. The thing is, major RMT sites stopped selling eve isk because CCP got too good at catching them. They couldn't operate because they had to pay for isk but couldn't keep inventory, it became impossible to make profit. Now everything is ebay or playerauctions, it's direct sale and from the outside looks pretty miserable.
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Oct 17, 2016 05:33
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Orange Red Bull posted:a casino is the perfect smokescreen for eve rmt you can sell 800b to someone and call it a jackpot no they just ban you because its their game
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Oct 17, 2016 05:33
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Fix Lag posted:also if you want to package a high-value RMT deal in one fell swoop you do it with supercapitals man didnt someone recently set up a supercapital trade keepstar? 
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Klyith posted:RMT prices put that 7T much lower, more like $50k at most. And the entire market for RMT isk is $10-20k per month so good luck. this and plex. Also if you buy isk you're loving retarded because there is a good bet its some lovely 3rd world hacker ripping out SP and selling it which is going to get you banned real loving quick.
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Oct 17, 2016 05:35
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"hey i am definitely NOT ccp dev or a player trying to expose a controversial eve casino, please sell me eve gold!"
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Oct 17, 2016 05:38
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Fix Lag posted:this is exactly it and why most MMOs are banning player-run games of chance nah, they would have banned casinos years ago if that was the case. somer blink was legal rmt for a long time and it was only the players that put a stop to it, through excessive imitation. overall I'm sure the casinos / eve-bet / poker really did do more for player retention than they did harm by any rmt on the side. people like to gamble. it's 100% because the attention that in-game gambling is getting from IRL gambling law enforcement, because IRL gambling law enforcement does not gently caress around.
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most RMT probably happen in corp, which is the old goonfleet standard, aka keeping it all in-alliance giving someone in corp 5bil for a steamgame is nigh on impossible to differentiate from "i gave my friend in corp 5 bil cause i like him" unless some guy from a 0.0 russian renter is sending piles to a hisec mission runner, I doubt that it's easy to catch
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Landsknecht posted:giving someone in corp 5bil for a steamgame delete this
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