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OwlFancier posted:I mean, if there's a whole nation of them and they're killing lots of other people, sure. Otherwise it's probably not necessary. Why not? After all, fascists have historically killed people all the time. Surely we should preemptively kill them first?
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:I would believe the attack more if the graffiti said NAZI POLS gently caress OFF oh yeah, GO BACK TO /POL/ is graffiti I'd believe.
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The Iron Rose posted:Oh I doubt it. Hillary Clinton and I align in foreign policy almost perfectly. I'm an advocate for American Hegemony, which I believe is best secured through sane, considered policy that doesn't bring blowback upon us ten years down the line. So what's wrong with the Obama Doctrine? Are you part of the Stupid poo poo Caucus? 
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OwlFancier posted:Is it treason if you seceded? I'm like, 99% sure the US government did not actually see the secession as legitimate.
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OwlFancier posted:"Go and beat the poo poo out of fascists who are going to beat the poo poo out of other people." The "going to" part is where you make your first mistake. How do you know what they're gonna do in the future? How do you know when it's not just empty machisimo?
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OwlFancier posted:Is it treason if you seceded? Secession is treason.
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computer parts posted:Why not? After all, fascists have historically killed people all the time. Surely we should preemptively kill them first? Because generally they can be contained by an application of equivalent force, or ideally, a state monopoly of force. Like just because I think violence has a place doesn't mean I want to nuclear bomb everything 24/7.
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Supercar Gautier posted:Here's how I'd break the NCGOP fundraiser situation down from a coldly strategic perspective: None of those PROS are actually true. -First, the Republicans are going to use it as a cudgel even if you offer them a billion dollars in restitution, because that shows you're guilty. -Second, no one gives a flying gently caress about whether or not some random Democrats gave money to the GOP to feel good about themselves. -Third no matter what you do Trump is going to look foolish, petulant, and ungracious. There is no upside. Additional CONS -Literally helping fund GOP assholery with a shiny $13k donation. -They were going to be made whole by other sources, like insurance, anyway so you've giving them extra money. -Seriously, you are helping bigots promote bigotry, this is a lot of cons just to show people what a dope you are. Every time a traitor flag is destroyed an angel gets it's wings. FuzzySlippers posted:How much in the real vs theoretical spectrum were the 3 trump supporters about to torch some Somalis and a mosque? Where does doubling down on cops murdering minorities and keeping the DoJ out of it if Republicans win fit into that? Months of planning, creating bombs, and emphasizing just how important it was that even the babies were shot to poo poo. A bloodbath of their own admission in service of White Nationalism and Trump. Supercar Gautier posted:I'm definitely not urging anyone to participate in donating (although if you do, I do urge you to spend at least twice as much on an actual good cause). I'm just saying that optics-wise, this is pretty effective mitigation on the Democrats' part. Nobody sane blames Democrats for it, and there is no appeasing the insane.
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Koalas March posted:What about after they threatened to cut off my "friend of the family nose" You have the right in such a situation to blow their brains out. Also I am not being ironic. While I generally abhor racism, that is a threat to your person. Stand your ground.
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Neo_Crimson posted:why the gently caress are people so eager to call this a false flag attack? are you guys left-wing freepers or something? I've been getting that vibe as well. I thought it was just freep that was full of idiots, but apparently this thread is just as bad since 80% of it jumped immediately to FALSE FLAG To be fair, Republicans in the past have very stupidly tried the false flag thing a few times, but that's not a good enough justification for brushing off this incident as yet another false flag
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KiteAuraan posted:A map made by someone who has never been to Santa Cruz, Pima or Apache counties. Oh yeah, you can tell from the fact that Dallas is labeled "nice stuff" that it's not an accurate map
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Stacks posted:haha this is why I loving hate democrats so much. You'll have to be a little more specific.
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Augus posted:The "going to" part is where you make your first mistake. If they're roving around in gangs being threatening at people I'm willing to say that's probable cause.
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OwlFancier posted:Because generally they can be contained by an application of equivalent force, or ideally, a state monopoly of force. You already admitted that fascists are killing people. (Preemptively) killing them is the application of equivalent force.
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OwlFancier posted:Because generally they can be contained by an application of equivalent force, or ideally, a state monopoly of force. So why don't you let the state do its job?
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If the burning of a GOP office appears on your list of "Top 100 Acts of Violence in America" you're concerned about tonight then your priorities are super screwed up. And Trump supporters have regularly been engaging in violence against their opponents and "others" for a minute now so the idea that this act is what's going to be the one that legitimizes political violence is silly.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:So what's wrong with the Obama Doctrine? Are you part of the Stupid poo poo Caucus? I think the red line was one of the worst moments of his Presidency, and the lack of a Syrian no fly zone cost hundreds of thousands of lives, sparked massive hatred against the United States, and encouraged the rise of jihadist groups. I think Kerry is a hilarious failure as Secretary of State and Lavrov runs circles around him. Other than that I don't have a lot to criticize.
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QuarkJets posted:I've been getting that vibe as well. I thought it was just freep that was full of idiots, but apparently this thread is just as bad since 80% of it jumped immediately to FALSE FLAG naw it's a false flag
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Neo_Crimson posted:why the gently caress are people so eager to call this a false flag attack? are you guys left-wing freepers or something? Are you talking about the graffiti or the firebombing? The graffiti is just my first instinctual reaction to the scene but I could be very wrong and I'm not creating any elaborate scenarios. The firebombing sounded like it was possibly done by Trump supporters because they hate the GOP even more than Democrats do right now, thanks to Trump's rhetoric.
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OwlFancier posted:If they're roving around in gangs being threatening at people I'm willing to say that's probable cause. Wait are we talking conservative fantasies or wannabe leftist fantasies I can't remember anymore
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You want to know a great thing you could do instead of donating to the NCGOP Fundraiser? Make a donation to RAINN or Planned Parenthood or the NAACP in their name , You do a good thing, you recognize that the thing occurred, and that you are condemning it, so you get to cluck your tongue at what has happened, pad your cred as someone who admonishes the senseless actions, and then also NOT have given money to a bunch of fuckers who are trying to advance harmful legislation.
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Trabisnikof posted:So why don't you let the state do its job? The state doesn't do a very good job oftentimes. I would much prefer it did, but it seems to be mostly staffed by people who think "well it's very important that people have the right to say "exterminate all the muslims" because that's integral to free exprfaaaaaaaaart"
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Augus posted:I don't get the sense that you're following this conversation very well. If I'm wrong about it then that would be a twist but usually rightwing targets that are attacked have an actual body count. Historically when they don't it's usually some lame attempt to energize their base to feel persecuted. Course it's a derail and a chance for your usual suspects to poo poo all over the thread as usual. Never mind actually waiting for the enevitable report that it's self inflicted. It's still a great chance to fleece money off people. But really donate to PP or similar organization. The money donated to them is better served.
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Sharkie posted:If the burning of a GOP office appears on your list of "Top 100 Acts of Violence in America" you're concerned about tonight then your priorities are super screwed up. And Trump supporters have regularly been engaging in violence against their opponents and "others" for a minute now so the idea that this act is what's going to be the one that legitimizes political violence is silly. Why can we not do both? We can and often do condemn violent rhetoric and violence from Trump's supporters, just like we can condemn the firebombing of a GOP campaign office.
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Trabisnikof posted:Wait are we talking conservative fantasies or wannabe leftist fantasies I can't remember anymore Five thousand pound whites are playing "the knockout game," and making hasty getaways on their Medicare scooters.
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Motto posted:Thought experiment: name a dumber use of cash than donating to the GOP in hopes that it'll score Clinton points at a Fox debate. Donating a million+ bucks to Trump's campaign at this point in time?
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computer parts posted:You already admitted that fascists are killing people. (Preemptively) killing them is the application of equivalent force. Individual fascists generally don't, at least, not when contained by police/antifa.
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Neo_Crimson posted:why the gently caress are people so eager to call this a false flag attack? are you guys left-wing freepers or something? No. We seriously have a low enough opinion of the far right to think that some crazy rear end in a top hat would do this short of thing and hope it gets blamed on 'them filthy Dems'.
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OwlFancier posted:The state doesn't do a very good job oftentimes. So any specific examples where the state has failed to crack down on right wing terrorists under Obama?
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The Iron Rose posted:I think the red line was one of the worst moments of his Presidency, and the lack of a Syrian no fly zone cost hundreds of thousands of lives, sparked massive hatred against the United States, and encouraged the rise of jihadist groups. I think Kerry is a hilarious failure as Secretary of State and Lavrov runs circles around him. I was referencing the Obama Doctrine stated as "don't do stupid poo poo", but okay, fair enough. I have some quibbles but I rescind my remark about us being on fundamentally incompatible parts of the American imperialist spectrum. 
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GalacticAcid posted:Five thousand pound whites are playing "the knockout game," and making hasty getaways on their Medicare scooters. Lazy, white drug addicts are abusing government assistance and creating a crime wave across this country. Oh wait...
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Political violence belongs in the hands of only those responsible enough to wield it: police officers who belong to unions that back Trump and private security firms.
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Motto posted:Thought experiment: name a dumber use of cash than donating to the GOP in hopes that it'll score Clinton points at a Fox debate. Trying to swallow an equivalent amount of one dollar bills. Edit: without a sufficient quantity of water.
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Trabisnikof posted:So any specific examples where the state has failed to crack down on right wing terrorists under Obama? He's on TV a lot and has a live ferret glued to his head. Also, they dress in blue and go around shooting black people for fun.
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Motto posted:Thought experiment: name a dumber use of cash than donating to the GOP in hopes that it'll score Clinton points at a Fox debate. Galaxy note 7, literally melts you into Harvey Dent
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OwlFancier posted:Individual fascists generally don't, at least, not when contained by police/antifa. Oh, so all you need is a group of fascists and it's ok to kill them. Good thing they hang out in groups all the time.
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OwlFancier posted:Individual fascists generally don't, at least, not when contained by police/antifa. What country do you live in?
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