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StarkRavingMad
Sep 27, 2001


Yams Fan

Blue Star posted:

Its a stupid idea

Much like all of your posts in this thread.

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sethsez
Jul 14, 2006

He's soooo dreamy...

Blue Star posted:

This poo poo needs to be said!!!

Busting the VR hype bubble

Its a stupid idea

So is there any reason you posted this in all of the VR-related threads you could find and why every single post on yours in this thread is just reiterating over and over how you're sure it's going to flop?

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

sethsez posted:

So is there any reason you posted this in all of the VR-related threads you could find and why every single post on yours in this thread is just reiterating over and over how you're sure it's going to flop?

lazy fat shitlords don't want to lose their gaming friends to poo poo that's more fun to play, because who wants to actually move around???

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003

Yes everyone should pay attention to Alex St John, he has very interesting things to say about the industry such as this: http://www.alexstjohn.com/WP/download/Recruiting%20Giants.pdf

Edit: oh wait he's an irredeemable rear end in a top hat

SCheeseman fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Oct 17, 2016

Mordaedil
Oct 25, 2007

Oh wow, cool. Good job.
So?
Grimey Drawer
I can only imagine he is Alex St. John, as every post he's made reads like the article.

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

sethsez posted:

So is there any reason you posted this in all of the VR-related threads you could find and why every single post on yours in this thread is just reiterating over and over how you're sure it's going to flop?

Ultra low-rent trolling -or- they actually agree with this dude about VR which is laffo as all hell.

McGiggins
Apr 4, 2014

by R. Guyovich
Lipstick Apathy
wow gently caress that guy. being wage slave isn't too bad, though it does get mildly agonising after a while.

also, gently caress that guy.

TheRagamuffin
Aug 31, 2008

In Paradox Space, when you cross the line, your nuts are mine.

Poetic Justice posted:

Also there is VR porn now too.

If we're being honest, this is probably the best indicator that VR is going to stick around for a while.

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


SwissCM posted:

Yes everyone should pay attention to Alex St John, he has very interesting things to say about the industry such as this: http://www.alexstjohn.com/WP/download/Recruiting%20Giants.pdf

Edit: oh wait he's an irredeemable rear end in a top hat
drat, somebody went through an NLP employment training. Those seem like cost-effective manipulation tactics but the reality is that in the long run they lead to an ugly company culture that the employer himself will hate and the company's horrific reputation will repel valuable employees. Also those ideas are way more transparent than people think.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Tom Guycot posted:

90's VR was terrible, the headsets were mostly awful, the tracking wasn't even full 360 let alone positional, the FOV was terrible, latency was off the charts, the resolution was smaller than an NES, FPS of less than 30, and there was like, 4 games that supported any amount of VR at all. Not to mention that poo poo was like 900 bucks in 1995 dollars.

This year I can buy a headset for half the cost, with twice the FOV, almost 5 times the resolution, rock solid 90fps, flawless tracking (including positional, which nothing did back then on the market), flawlessly tracked motion controllers, and most importantly, dozens of very polished, high quality games made specifically for it not just descent and magic carpet with hacked in support.

Every time I hear old tech fucks try to draw comparisons between whats happening now and 90's VR I just have to laugh.

Yes, it's this.

I experienced the 1990s headsets and I've experienced the 2016 headsets and anybody who says they are the same thing is either intensely stupid or willfully ignorant.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
That article reminds me of claims that the iPhone was doomed because it didn't have a physical keyboard.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
It turns out that there's not much overlap between everyday consumers and hyper spergs.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

haveblue posted:

That article reminds me of claims that the iPhone was doomed because it didn't have a physical keyboard.

I'm still waiting for a quality smart phone with a quality keyboard that's not a blackberry. If one were available that was halo phone quality I'd sell this one and buy that tomorrow.

Sky Shadowing
Feb 13, 2012

At least we're not the Thalmor (yet)

Poetic Justice posted:

Also there is VR porn now too.

That probably existed before VR.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

Hadlock posted:

I'm still waiting for a quality smart phone with a quality keyboard that's not a blackberry. If one were available that was halo phone quality I'd sell this one and buy that tomorrow.

The Kyocera Rise is a smartphone with a full keyboard, but I wouldn't exactly call it "quality". I enjoyed it while I had it though.

Anemone
Dec 28, 2008

piak piak
Here's a Let's Play of the new Serious Sam VR game for the Vive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD_SYyqFNUs

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

GlyphGryph posted:

The Kyocera Rise is a smartphone with a full keyboard, but I wouldn't exactly call it "quality". I enjoyed it while I had it though.
Well yeah I had an LG Optimus F3Q and it was the best phone keyboard I ever used but neither one of those is "halo phone quality" and there probably never will be one that is. Even the Blackberry Priv doesn't even have a fingerprint reader or decent camera.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

Hadlock posted:

I'm still waiting for a quality smart phone with a quality keyboard that's not a blackberry. If one were available that was halo phone quality I'd sell this one and buy that tomorrow.

Unfortunately a high-quality modern smartphone with a keyboard is a tough thing to make.

If you put a normal "widescreen" display on it a fixed keyboard is out of the question because in portrait mode it'd end up larger than a home theater remote control and a landscape design would be wide enough to require cargo pockets.

To offer a fixed keyboard in a standard format you have to go with a square screen like a Blackberry Passport or Classic, but a lot of apps make assumptions about having a "widescreen" display and won't look or work right with something different. On Android there are still way too many apps that don't even support a normal phone being used in landscape mode, including the default launcher. Square displays are likely to be a perpetual source of application compatibility issues unless they became a significant part of the market, so they're out.

Now we're left with shape shifting phones, the sliders, the flips, and many other more obscure configurations. Those solve the compatibility problem but introduce a trickier one for a modern "halo" class phone, the quality feel. Sliders and hinges will always be a point of flexibility. They're likely to get loose, creak, get jammed up with crud, etc. and the flexible connectors that link the two pieces are prone to wear. They also split the chassis volume in half, replacing usable space with more case material. Even ignoring the keyboard assembly itself the same size phone has less capacity for hardware and battery. When closed components on the back of the screen portion are effectively dissipating their heat in to the keyboard portion. A chip that may have been right on the edge of usable in a normal phone is now unusable in the keyboard model without making it a lot thicker.

Can it be done? Of course, but it's hard and the market who'd be willing to pay more for it is limited.

To try to bring it back around on topic, while the standard format of modern smartphones has effectively killed the hardware keyboard we have to at the same time give it credit for enabling VR to finally become a real consumer product this time around. Small, high quality displays are relatively cheap because the smartphone market demands so many of them. Rift DK2 literally using Galaxy Note 3 panels is of course the most obvious example, but also the fact that Cardboard basically eliminated the barrier to entry. Almost anyone can try VR basically for free without leaving their house and at least decide if they're interested in pursuing it further.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Smart on-screen keyboards like SwiftKey etc took the physical phone keyboard out behind the shed and put a 12 gauge through its skull for everyone but the most insufferable sperglords who probably still think Blackberry isn't a walking corpse.

Thor-Stryker
Nov 11, 2005

Collateral Damage posted:

Smart on-screen keyboards like SwiftKey etc took the physical phone keyboard out behind the shed and put a 12 gauge through its skull for everyone but the most insufferable sperglords who probably still think Blackberry isn't a walking corpse.

Thanks for having sissy spider-fingers and ushering in the era of fudged texts because touchscreen keyboards are nowhere near as powerful as QWERTY.

For me, I shall suffer for having man hands and type/swype slow as gently caress because I have to fix everything.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Thor-Stryker posted:

Thanks for having sissy spider-fingers and ushering in the era of fudged texts because touchscreen keyboards are nowhere near as powerful as QWERTY.

For me, I shall suffer for having man hands and type/swype slow as gently caress because I have to fix everything.

Just use a stick dude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7tRYj-Y6qI

sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...



Collateral Damage posted:

Smart on-screen keyboards like SwiftKey etc took the physical phone keyboard out behind the shed and put a 12 gauge through its skull for everyone but the most insufferable sperglords who probably still think Blackberry isn't a walking corpse.

That's why I, too, have a capacitive touch screen keyboard for my PC as well.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

s.i.r.e. posted:

That's why I, too, have a capacitive touch screen keyboard for my PC as well.

I agree with your point, but I'm helpless to be pedantic and mention that Lenovo has recently released a laptop with capacitive touch keyboard

I know, I threw something across the room when I read about it, too

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
It looks interesting and I would like to try one out but I wouldn't risk actually buying one.

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008

s.i.r.e. posted:

That's why I, too, have a capacitive touch screen keyboard for my PC as well.

The touch screen keyboard is sufficiently more convenient for the use case of a mobile phone, which is not the case for a desktop computer.

Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors


Anemone posted:

Here's a Let's Play of the new Serious Sam VR game for the Vive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD_SYyqFNUs

oh... it's a wave shooter. Well thats disappointing, I was hoping for a bit more from an established studio. I don't understand all these wave shooters, I mean, I understand it because its simple and theres no locomotion, but even light gun games 20 years ago were more involved and interesting.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
the difference is, SSVR is loving great, it's exactly what I wanted out of a wave shooter

Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors


I guess I'm just disappointed because I personally can't stand wave modes of anything, VR or not, and was hoping for a goofy over the top full game from them and not a wave minigame.

sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...



Hadlock posted:

I agree with your point, but I'm helpless to be pedantic and mention that Lenovo has recently released a laptop with capacitive touch keyboard

I know, I threw something across the room when I read about it, too

Please link this because holy poo poo, lol

Lemming posted:

The touch screen keyboard is sufficiently more convenient for the use case of a mobile phone, which is not the case for a desktop computer.

It's better in certain regards, yes and I prefer it, but it's still poo poo and I was much better at typing on my older phones with physical keyboards. More moving parts on a smart device blows though so either way sucks.

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc

“I...I can’t,” Iribe told me. “I have to go find my mom, sorry.”

can that be the new thread title?

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
I just try to avoid writing with my phone as much as I can since I switched to a phone without a physical keyboard. The touch keyboards are bad and slow, but... tradeoffs everywhere, you know? I miss being able to write quickly on it, but I have a computer for that, or even my tablet. Its not so much touch keyboards being bad as touch keyboards with tiny buttons being bad.

Edit:
Are there any good "full 360 video" players and videos people know about? Other than that porn player, I guess. Or even that one, if it works for other stuff too. I remember there being a few fun, like... hiking and drone videos where you're along for the ride back in the dk2 days, but don't have the slightest clue how to find or play that sort of thing anymore since they all ran in extended mode

GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Oct 18, 2016

Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors


GlyphGryph posted:


Edit:
Are there any good "full 360 video" players and videos people know about? Other than that porn player, I guess. Or even that one, if it works for other stuff too. I remember there being a few fun, like... hiking and drone videos where you're along for the ride back in the dk2 days, but don't have the slightest clue how to find or play that sort of thing anymore since they all ran in extended mode


if you have a rift, oculus video can play them and has a browsing section for 360 videos posted on facebook and from elsewhere. If not, Virtual desktop also plays 360 videos well, and you can even post youtube links of 360 videos in it to watch.

Facebook has a lot of 360 videos to browse through though, it was neat to finally see the inside of the new vikings stadium, and theres a ton of other nature, sports, and everything else videos.

One of the best ive seen is that obama national parks video, fantastic quality and in 3d, not just 360.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Man if you don't like Serious Sam VR you clearly did not grow up in the lat 90s/early 2000s

s.i.r.e. posted:

Please link this because holy poo poo, lol


It's better in certain regards, yes and I prefer it, but it's still poo poo and I was much better at typing on my older phones with physical keyboards. More moving parts on a smart device blows though so either way sucks.

Apparently they start at $500, I was expecting $1200+

Capacative touch keyboard stuff is mostly in the 2:40-3:20 section of this short video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr-JLZCM2j0

bloodysabbath
May 1, 2004

OH NO!

Sir Tonk posted:

“I...I can’t,” Iribe told me. “I have to go find my mom, sorry.”

can that be the new thread title?

Again, given that Giz turd looked about 12, maybe the CEO should have said "I have to go find YOUR mom."

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

s.i.r.e. posted:

That's why I, too, have a capacitive touch screen keyboard for my PC as well.
I specifically said phone keyboard. But let's not derail this thread again.

Zsinjeh
Jun 11, 2007

:shoboobs:

Hadlock posted:

I'm still waiting for a quality smart phone with a quality keyboard that's not a blackberry. If one were available that was halo phone quality I'd sell this one and buy that tomorrow.

A good poster
Jan 10, 2010

Hadlock posted:

I'm still waiting for a quality smart phone with a quality keyboard that's not a blackberry. If one were available that was halo phone quality I'd sell this one and buy that tomorrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjh7zAuaw-0

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Tom Guycot posted:

I guess I'm just disappointed because I personally can't stand wave modes of anything, VR or not, and was hoping for a goofy over the top full game from them and not a wave minigame.

A minor spoiler for the last level currently available for this game, the platform the players stands for starts moving as soon as you kill the first couple of dudes, and keeps moving until you get to boss.

It basically feels less like a wave shooter and more like a shmup. I guess you can say a shmup is just a wave shooter with a scrolling background (because that's what it is), but it disguises the wave shooter really well, and I hope later levels will have more of that, because I love shmups, and little did I know they own even more in VR. And that's just after one fairly short level.

Surprise Giraffe
Apr 30, 2007
1 Lunar Road
Moon crater
The Moon
Oh hey: https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-research-demonstrate-actuator-allow-feeling-virtual-objects-3d-space/

'heh heh'

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Zsinjeh
Jun 11, 2007

:shoboobs:
haha wow that's crazy, do you dare me to touch virtual boobies lol do u dare me

ok hahaha i'll try it as a joke if you want this will be hilarious haha

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