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Mandragora posted:Yeah. Like Wanderer and FM said above, Hillary is focusing heavily on "invisible" campaigning rather than physical media, and she learned a lot of that from Obama's team (several members of which have joined hers). Many younger Hillary supporters don't see the point of bumper stickers or yard signs, and many more across all age ranges don't want to risk provoking vandalism from frothing Trump supporters (and Bernie supporters for awhile during the primary). I worked in a pretty rural, red area of Maine toward the end of 2015 and there was a lot of "I don't see any Hillary signs out there so no one supports her, and if I did I'd go tear them down" rhetoric from cranky old Trumpers. FMguru posted:There's an old bit of political folk wisdom which states "Lawn signs don't vote." Wanderer posted:I'd have to imagine it's because Hillary's a Democrat who's focusing on the youth vote. These dudes are looking for yard signs and ignoring social media, which is doubly hilarious when you see Mitchell posting on Twitter. I feel like y'all are attributing geography to some 12th dimensional chess thing. Like, there's shitloads of hillary yard signs in my neighborhood. I'd say probably 70% of the houses in my neighborhood that are occupied by their owners have hillary yard signs, and there isn't a single trump sign anywhere. tacodaemon posted:Thing about Scott Adams is that, as others have mentioned, he has had these kooky socio-political views for a long time and has been trying forever to establish himself as some kind of out-of-the-box intellectual genius (see e.g. his weird religio-philosophical navelgazing scifi book God's Debris from 2001, which he initially self-published online because his publisher didn't want to touch it), but he also had enough sense to keep that stuff out of the Dilbert comic strip itself. He's made no secret of the fact that Dilbert was always primarily a moneymaking operation to make himself rich, and he didn't want to do anything that would jeopardize the annual sales of page-a-day calendars and that sort of thing that he still makes tall dollars off of. But in the past couple of years he's been putting so much of his Out-Of-The-Box Genius™ bullshit out there on the Internet that it is increasingly threatening to swamp the public image of Inoffensive Workplace Satire Cartoonist Scott Adams that is his main meal ticket. He may have also just decided that he's got enough money to coast, even if his schtick does cost him his dogbert plushie cash.
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fishmech posted:That's a goddamn lie. Prove it.
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The best part about Scott Adams is that a little while ago Dilbert did a month or so of guest written and drawn strips that was much better than it usually is.
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I'm cleaning out our basement and found a ton of old Dilbert books I thought were funny in high school. Gonna go ahead and throw those out.
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Oct 18, 2016 16:09
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Haven't seen this posted yet, but at this point I'm convinced Melania's just a pro level troll. Between this and rickrolling the entire RNC, it's just too good not to be true. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/melania-trump-social-media-donald-229915
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Oct 18, 2016 16:11
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Yeah Melania is smart and knows how awful her husband is, she just accepts it because it's the price she's willing to pay for a comfortable life.
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Oct 18, 2016 16:12
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Goatman Sacks posted:I'm cleaning out our basement and found a ton of old Dilbert books I thought were funny in high school. Gonna go ahead and throw those out. They're still funny. Scott Adams is just a piece of poo poo.
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Oct 18, 2016 16:16
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Crowsbeak posted:Prove it. The draft didn't stop the Vietnam War ya doofus, why expect it to stop any war? Hell it didn't stop Iraq! Chilichimp posted:Took less than 20% of the population to start and fight the revolutionary war. Just sayin'. But it took a whole lot of wealthy and powerful people financing and backing it, and it took foreign assistance to keep it going and have them win.
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Oct 18, 2016 16:34
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Chilichimp posted:They're still funny. Scott Adams is just a piece of poo poo. I know it comes up a lot, but it's really hard for me to look back on books / media I've enjoyed when I find out the author is a terrible human being. Ender's Game was probably my favorite book growing up, then I found out Orson Scott Card thinks homosexuality is a social experiment gone wrong.
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fishmech posted:But it took a whole lot of wealthy and powerful people financing and backing it, and it took foreign assistance to keep it going and have them win. I don't see how that's outside the scope of the current situation either, man. Several rich elites back Trump, who is himself a rich elite, and Russian lawmakers are already making hilarious overtones about nuclear war over Clinton being president.
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Oct 18, 2016 16:53
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seiferguy posted:I know it comes up a lot, but it's really hard for me to look back on books / media I've enjoyed when I find out the author is a terrible human being. Ender's Game was probably my favorite book growing up, then I found out Orson Scott Card thinks homosexuality is a social experiment gone wrong. enders game is the perfect book for nerdy young boys who wouldn't identify with a protagonist who is so incredibly smart at war that he gets whisked away to a space station to play laser tag in zero g
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Oct 18, 2016 16:55
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fishmech posted:The draft didn't stop the Vietnam War ya doofus, why expect it to stop any war? Hell it didn't stop Iraq! Let's compare responses by the American population to such conflicts.
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Crowsbeak posted:Let's compare responses by the American population to such conflicts. why do you love trump so much
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Chilichimp posted:I don't see how that's outside the scope of the current situation either, man. Several rich elites back Trump, who is himself a rich elite, and Russian lawmakers are already making hilarious overtones about nuclear war over Clinton being president. Wasn't the Russian lawmaker Zhirinovsky, who's basically the Russian Pat Buchanan?
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seiferguy posted:I know it comes up a lot, but it's really hard for me to look back on books / media I've enjoyed when I find out the author is a terrible human being. Ender's Game was probably my favorite book growing up, then I found out Orson Scott Card thinks homosexuality is a social experiment gone wrong. I still love Ender's Game (and Speaker for the Dead) enough that its made me single handedly subscribe to Death of the Author theories.
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Crowsbeak posted:Let's compare responses by the American population to such conflicts. Uh what's to compare? Both were massively unpopular by their end, in fact the Iraq War got more unpopular much faster! The Vietnam War lasted 21 years, Iraq lasted about 9 years. And that's leaving aside the fact that calling it "universal service" is laughable because it's only "universal" service for the poor. Your rich boys like George W get to gently caress around on national guard bases and only risk death from their own stupidity. Chilichimp posted:I don't see how that's outside the scope of the current situation either, man. Several rich elites back Trump, who is himself a rich elite, and Russian lawmakers are already making hilarious overtones about nuclear war over Clinton being president. If you don't see that you need a remedial history course. Because it was the majority of colonial elites who were in favor of the revolution or at least neutral enough on it to not fight against it. Including large majorities of the political system in many of the individual colonies. There's nothing similar with Trumpists.
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fishmech posted:Uh what's to compare? Both were massively unpopular by their end, in fact the Iraq War got more unpopular much faster! The Vietnam War lasted 21 years, Iraq lasted about 9 years. vietnam only lasted 19 years if you're counting from the very first official military advisors helping the french instead of what everyone else regards as the beginning of the war, the tonkin incident
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fishmech posted:Uh what's to compare? Both were massively unpopular by their end, in fact the Iraq War got more unpopular much faster! The Vietnam War lasted 21 years, Iraq lasted about 9 years. I don't seriously believe any kind of civil war will A.) be attempted and B.) would succeed even if it did. But I also recognize that this is a funny joke and drawing conspiracy theory conservative bullshit to show the likelihood of a revolution is both cool and good. Also, I mean, we weren't engaged in hot-war in Vietnam for 21 years. The part of the war where we had actual ground forces waging hot war with the North Vietnamese was more like 8-9 years. Prior to that we were sending like aid to the French, deploying advisors and special forces, air support, etc. We were engaged in -that- sort hot/cold conflict with Iraq for more like 21ish years if you include Desert Storm and all of our efforts in the region between then and the Iraq war. After the fall of the Soviets, we basically turned out Cold War machine on the Middle East. gently caress you, Paulie Wolfowitz. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Oct 18, 2016 |
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seiferguy posted:I know it comes up a lot, but it's really hard for me to look back on books / media I've enjoyed when I find out the author is a terrible human being. Ender's Game was probably my favorite book growing up, then I found out Orson Scott Card thinks homosexuality is a social experiment gone wrong. Eh, I love Dune something fierce, but the way Herbert uses homosexuality to depict the Harkonnens as debased and vile is rather disgusting. Glad he dropped that after the first book.
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Hodgepodge posted:Eh, I love Dune something fierce, but the way Herbert uses homosexuality to depict the Harkonnens as debased and vile is rather disgusting. Glad he dropped that after the first book. He went on to have some pretty iffy ideas about sex and gender roles anyway.
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Hodgepodge posted:Eh, I love Dune something fierce, but the way Herbert uses homosexuality to depict the Harkonnens as debased and vile is rather disgusting. Glad he dropped that after the first book. and then he got brain herpes and started writing about superpowered sex nuns so yeah.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:and then he got brain herpes and started writing about superpowered sex nuns so yeah. He did that in the first one too. They just got more desperate later in the series.
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fishmech posted:Uh what's to compare? Both were massively unpopular by their end, in fact the Iraq War got more unpopular much faster! The Vietnam War lasted 21 years, Iraq lasted about 9 years. The goal would be to turn the national guard into the reserves for soldiers after service in the regular army. For three years. So no goofing off in the Garuda also no college deferment.
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CommieGIR posted:He did that in the first one too. They just got more desperate later in the series. Desperate Super-Powered Sex Nuns? Oh, would look at that, I'm turgid.
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Crowsbeak posted:The goal would be to turn the national guard into the reserves for soldiers after service in the regular army. For three years. So no goofing off in the Garuda also no college deferment. Ok, so something that a) we've never had so you're not "bringing back" "universal service" as you said and b) would do nothing to prevent wars. And c) is a loving terrible idea that makes no sense. We already have a reserve system for active duty troops, have had it for what, 60 years at least? Why make it so you can't be in the national guard without already serving at war, when the primary duty of national guard members is to assist in disasters and such? This also does nothing to prevent a George W Bush the 3rd from getting a cushy assignment in the states for his term of duty while some poor dude from the Bronx has to go fight the actual war. And then there's how mass drafting of random people doesn't really work with modern military roles, so you're basically just trying to bring back the meatgrinder system.
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Trumpies can't get James O'Keefe's latest round of misleading edited videos with phony claims of voter fraud or his org veritas to trend... ...So just like their idol, they're claiming twitter is 'rigged.' There's just so much comedy to be had this election.
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kik2dagroin posted:Limbaugh and Drudge have been thoroughly trolled by people making up complete bullshit that fits their worldview this poo poo pisses me off. Limbaugh isn't falling for anything, he's always grabbed anything with even a semblance of supporting his point and running with it. He will never issue a correction and all this 'joke' did was further cement voter fraud in the dittoheads minds. And Drudge isn't much better. So good job 'comedians'.
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CommieGIR posted:He did that in the first one too. They just got more desperate later in the series. I was talking about the Honored Matres.
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lol "post orifice" that's where all my posts come from
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fishmech posted:Ok, so something that a) we've never had so you're not "bringing back" "universal service" as you said and b) would do nothing to prevent wars. And c) is a loving terrible idea that makes no sense. We already have a reserve system for active duty troops, have had it for what, 60 years at least? Why make it so you can't be in the national guard without already serving at war, when the primary duty of national guard members is to assist in disasters and such? Whats wrong with the meat grinder system> Besides that it makes war costly? Also why are you against people having to serve? Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Oct 18, 2016 |
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Crowsbeak posted:Whats wrong with the meat grinder system> Besides that it makes war costly? A meat grinder system that killed tens of thousands of hapless draftees and demoralized a whole nation worked really well in 'Nam
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Feldegast42 posted:A meat grinder system that killed tens of thousands of hapless draftees and demoralized a whole nation worked really well in 'Nam Hmm, caused us to be against going into wars in far off places that have no treaty requirement for why we should get involved if it meant our children were going to get drafted. Hey that accomplishes half of my reason for it.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:this poo poo pisses me off. It's not like they deliberately set out to fool anyone with dripping and blatant sarcasm that only a moron would think was real. Not their fault that Rush knows his audience.
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Crowsbeak posted:Whats wrong with the meat grinder system> Besides that it makes war costly? Also why are you against people having to serve? Because you're just having more people killed for no reason. It doesn't make war any costlier for the rich and privileged, so it has no effect on shortening wars. Because forcing people to "serve" in the military or anything else is completely bullshit? There's no advantage to it. People should be going to college or trade school or something and learning what they want to learn, rather than being trained to kill or to clean public toilets really good. Crowsbeak posted:Hmm, caused us to be against going into wars in far off places that have no treaty requirement for why we should get involved if it meant our children were going to get drafted. Hey that accomplishes half of my reason for it. No, it did not cause that. There simply wasn't any good targets that happened to crop up between the end of Vietnam and now, which were large enough scale to require an actual draft, because the wars we have fought - and there have been many - worked with just volunteers. The draft's still on the books, bro, it never went away.
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fishmech posted:Because you're just having more people killed for no reason. It doesn't make war any costlier for the rich and privileged, so it has no effect on shortening wars. Yet we had it in place between Korea and 1964. Its almost like the reason we got rid of it was because policymakers didn't like the bad feelings it created.
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So I guess all the RWM pundits know the writing's on the wall and we're now down to "gently caress the media", Rush and Hannity especially. It's so loving disingenuous it makes me ill. I don't see this whole "in the tank for Hillary/picking on Donald" thing at all. All the poo poo they complain about not being covered is being covered plenty. I know all about Benghazi, servers, Wikileaks, Bill Clinton, etc. so I'm not sure how they can make this ridiculous claim but here we are again. It's very frustrating to repeatedly hear the party of personal responsibility continuously parade excuses and scapegoats for their failures and even more frustrating that people are gonna buy it. I found myself very sad today pondering the bullshit I'm gonna have to listen to for the next 8 years and watching our media capitulate to these whiny crybabies and move the Overton Window even further right. Who's "picking on Trump?" The motherfucker has gotten so much free press over the last year he should be thanking them. I don't see "bias" when "dumb orange spoiled petulant millionaire says a thing" and "the media" reports thing he said. I'm glad Hillary is going to win this thing but I'm very concerned about what roughly 45% of my country's reaction to it is going to be.
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Spacedad posted:Trumpies can't get James O'Keefe's latest round of misleading edited videos with phony claims of voter fraud or his org veritas to trend... I actually saw the video on YouTube trending and all the comments were about how Clinton "owns" google and YouTube so it wouldn't be trending. This whole everything is rigged bullshit is really sad and pathetic. White conservatives really hate being marginalized.
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fishmech posted:, rather than being trained to kill or to clean public toilets really good. Actually going by anecdotal experience knowing how to do basic janitorial work would be an enormous boon for a lot of people I know, and probably most goons.
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Crowsbeak posted:Yet we had it in place between Korea and 1964. Its almost like the reason we got rid of it was because policymakers didn't like the bad feelings it created. No we did not have universal service in the military or anything from the Korean War to 1964. There was a very small amount of conscription during the time period between the Korean Armistice and 1964 when things started really picking up in the Vietnam War, and it was exceedingly easy to avoid those if you were a college student, if you got married, if you were in wide variety of different fields. And even if you want to call a few thousand people a year being inducted "universal service", which would be insane, that clearly didn't prevent the Vietnam War from happening.
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BiggerBoat posted:So I guess all the RWM pundits know the writing's on the wall and we're now down to "gently caress the media", Rush and Hannity especially. It's so loving disingenuous it makes me ill. I don't see this whole "in the tank for Hillary/picking on Donald" thing at all. All the poo poo they complain about not being covered is being covered plenty. I know all about Benghazi, servers, Wikileaks, Bill Clinton, etc. so I'm not sure how they can make this ridiculous claim but here we are again. The entirety of it is that they're covering things that make the right look bad and that's bias. Because "Trump said a thing" apparently isn't news. You know, Donald Trump, actual loving presidential candidate should apparently not be scrutinized at all to find out if he's right for the job or not. They claim the media is "picking on Trump" because they constantly put up new sound or video clips of Trump making a fool of himself. Then they blame the media for Trump's blatant incompetence.
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