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straight up brolic posted:I know it's California so this is irrelevant , but shouldn't the death penalty not be a referenda issue. If 49% of your electorate is against state supported murder and 51% is for it, it doesn't seem like a compelling mandate to make that ethical decision. Forget about it Jake, it's California. It's just California.
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Can we please stop acting like the Clintons had a chance to veto DOMA? It was passed with veto-proof majority.
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straight up brolic posted:I know it's California so this is irrelevant , but shouldn't the death penalty not be a referenda issue. If 49% of your electorate is against state supported murder and 51% is for it, it doesn't seem like a compelling mandate to make that ethical decision. You could make it like Florida and require 2/3 of the votes.
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mcmagic posted:I would vote for HIllary over Trump if she was a lesbian, had parkinson's, killed Vince Foster or frankly, was dead. Wouldn't be the first time the republicans lost to a literal corpse.
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straight up brolic posted:I know it's California so this is irrelevant , but shouldn't the death penalty not be a referenda issue. If 49% of your electorate is against state supported murder and 51% is for it, it doesn't seem like a compelling mandate to make that ethical decision. It makes about as much sense as putting a peace deal or your country's status as part of the EU up to a referendum.
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Oct 19, 2016 03:40
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berserker posted:Yeah but would you care if they were not human??
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iospace posted:Can we please stop acting like the Clintons had a chance to veto DOMA? It was passed with veto-proof majority. I'm just waiting for someone to retread the DADT argument -- again.
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iospace posted:Can we please stop acting like the Clintons had a chance to veto DOMA? It was passed with veto-proof majority. He still could've vetoed it as a symbolic gesture, though. Like Obama recently did with the "sue foreign countries" bill.
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comingafteryouall posted:Most surprising thing Trump could do: come out, and spend every minute apologizing for everything he has said and done. Just a real tearful, snot-nosed, ugly cry in the middle of the apology. Then give Clinton a hug and thank her for giving him courage to repent for all of his sins by standing up to him. I can't decide if this would get him elected or make the landslide worse.
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NewMars posted:Wouldn't be the first time the republicans lost to a literal corpse. I'm drawing a blank here.
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gently caress you idiots who think Mainers want him because whiteness, most don't. There were two left options and only one right. Maine is pretty well left leaning and has been pretty non partisan in the past. Hell we had for a period an independent governor, with Rs in the Senate and Ds in the house.
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Oct 19, 2016 03:42
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iospace posted:Can we please stop acting like the Clintons had a chance to veto DOMA? It was passed with veto-proof majority. Why do we have to pretend that? If anything that makes their defense of signing it that they were trying to "prevent a constitutional amendment from being passed instead" even more tenuous.
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DaveWoo posted:He still could've vetoed it as a symbolic gesture, though. Like Obama recently did with the "sue foreign countries" bill. You know how people say they admire political courage? They are mostly lying.
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Apraxin posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/788538743950938112 Drain the Swamp? Guess Trump is bound and determined to lose Florida. Boon posted:Anyone know what the impact of a cycle like this is over the long-term? Theoretically it could be a hastening of the Republican Demographic Apocalypses. But since Donny is the standard bearer of the Republicans it's really hard to tell and most likely it doesn't transfer at all. Maybe post President Obama can inspire Democrats to turn out for midterms, but probably not and we'll have to wait and see just how close to their groin the Republicans decide to shoot themselves in 2020. FuzzySlippers posted:Has there been any talk of how accurate these polls are regarding the Hispanic community? That seems pretty relevant in places like AZ. I would assume 'likely voter' weighting would downplay some of their impact since historically their turnout has lagged behind other groups, but OTOH they haven't had an opposition candidate like Trump before so any idea which way pollsters go with it? The Hispanic vote is usually underrepresented in polls, especially polls that are English only. This plays a big role in every single Nevada cycle looking real bad for the Democrats and then it turning out they were OK the whole time. Likely voter screens are most likely going to be getting a thorough post election examination, because a lot of assumptions that seem to be being made are odd considering the current climate. Internet Webguy posted:"I'm curious if my opponent has read the terrible story on the cover of this week's National Enquirer." Still tormenting Florida from his Tallahassee lair, yes. Squeegy posted:Yeah, DOMA was pretty iconic Always nice when people who know absolutely nothing about the 90s try and make a point.
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/CahnEmily/status/788508142116057088 What the actual gently caress? Is he prepping for a debate or recruiting for some kind of crazy reality tv show
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iospace posted:Can we please stop acting like the Clintons had a chance to veto DOMA? It was passed with veto-proof majority. To be totally fair, Bill Clinton could have done the better thing, which would have been to do what Obama did - veto the bill and let Congress overturn the veto. It would have sent a much better message from the President, even if it meant he'd have the "stain" of an overturned veto on his record. But honestly those were different times. We forget that nationally support for marriage equality was far lower than it is these days.
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Oct 19, 2016 03:45
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Guy A. Person posted:What the actual gently caress? Is he prepping for a debate or recruiting for some kind of crazy reality tv show I'm guessing the Fox News debate committee is not going to be as firm about this stuff as the last one was.
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Squeegy posted:I'm guessing the Fox News debate committee is not going to be as firm about this stuff as the last one was. What do you mean it's the same committee
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berserker posted:But honestly those were different times. We forget that nationally support for marriage equality was far lower than it is these days.
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Guy A. Person posted:What the actual gently caress? Is he prepping for a debate or recruiting for some kind of crazy reality tv show
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Yeah I'm not sure how many times this needs to be said but this is not a "Fox News" debate, it's a debate that's hosted by someone employed by Fox News.
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Oct 19, 2016 03:48
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Squeegy posted:I'm guessing the Fox News debate committee is not going to be as firm about this stuff as the last one was. It's the exact same committee, it's just moderated by a fox news anchorman.
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hillary has actually done a lot as secretary of state for lgbt people, plus as a community we've come a long way in a short time in terms of public image.
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berserker posted:But honestly those were different times. We forget that nationally support for marriage equality was far lower than it is these days. Interracial marriage was made legal in all 50 states 28 years before it had majority approval. It turns out that marriage isn't any more applicable for public referendum than the death penalty.
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Squeegy posted:I'm guessing the Fox News debate committee is not going to be as firm about this stuff as the last one was. Fox News has nothing to do with the debate other than loaning Wallace out to an ungrateful world.
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Guy A. Person posted:What the actual gently caress? Is he prepping for a debate or recruiting for some kind of crazy reality tv show This is Trump we're talking about.
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berserker posted:To be totally fair, Bill Clinton could have done the better thing, which would have been to do what Obama did - veto the bill and let Congress overturn the veto. It would have sent a much better message from the President, even if it meant he'd have the "stain" of an overturned veto on his record. far lower? it was single digits iirc this ex-post-facto condemnations from two decades ago that were prior to a paradigm shift in acceptance of gays and lesbians are tedious.
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GalacticAcid posted:I'm drawing a blank here. john ashcroft
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GalacticAcid posted:I'm drawing a blank here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Missouri,_2000 The democratic candidate died several weeks before the election finished and still won a majority.
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FAUXTON posted:This is Trump we're talking about. the bar is literally on the floor he is tunneling under the bar
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Oct 19, 2016 03:50
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GalacticAcid posted:I'm drawing a blank here. Most recently, in 2000 Mel Carnahan won the Missouri senate election over John Ashcroft despite having died in an aircraft accident several weeks before the election. edit: beaten like Carnahan beat Ashcraft. WP article about dead Congress critters that have won elections.
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Squeegy posted:Interracial marriage was made legal in all 50 states 28 years before it had majority approval. Yes, everyone remembers when LBJ vetoed Congress and made Gay Marriage gay because he really dug how in love that couple from Virginia was. Edit: Obviously I meant Gay Marriage legal. Not even the President can make Gay Marriage gayer. Gyges fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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XyrlocShammypants posted:What do you mean it's the same committee I don't know that much about the inner workings of the debates, I only show up to see blood since I generally already know who I'm voting for well in advance of them. 
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Rip Testes posted:He's pre-admitting to committing voter fraud? I'd never heard of this guy until yesterday with his suspicious video. It didn't seem to be very responsible thing put online, but hey, if it makes a buck. Capitalism did this. The Salad man is one crazy dude. There are pictures of him putting his ding dong in a hot dog bun and a video of him peeing into his own mouth up on tumblr.
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NewMars posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Missouri,_2000 Instant Sunrise posted:john ashcroft Ahh that's right, thanks goons.
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LGBT rights have in the last 20 years move forward tremendously in the USA which is pretty amazing.
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Christ, a frightening number of politicians or ex-politicians die in plane crashes, I'm going to refuse to fly with politicians on board.
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Hollismason posted:LGBT rights have in the last 20 years move forward tremendously in the USA which is pretty amazing. Fox news even has gay presenters now
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PT6A posted:Christ, a frightening number of politicians or ex-politicians die in plane crashes, I'm going to refuse to fly with politicians on board. Small private planes aren't nearly as safe as commercial jetliners, and politicians fly a lot.
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Guy A. Person posted:the bar is literally on the floor Dumb bastard probably thinks he's playing limbo.
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