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Phi230 posted:Im not the one defending a loving racist you rear end in a top hat "Maybe minorities are the real racists" -A Person on the internet unless you want to argue that Ahmed Best is not in fact a minority.
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ruddiger posted:"Maybe minorities are the real racists" Again where am I ever saying or implying that. Whats next you gonna defend blackface? Gonna defend Watto?
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Oct 19, 2016 17:15
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Don't claim people in here are calling you a minstrel or whatever you said and then when asked about it ignore it cause it never happened the way you presented it.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:15
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Phi230 posted:Im not the one defending a loving racist you rear end in a top hat Buddy, I'll swear right here and now to insanely and brutally torture George Lucas to death for being a racist if it will get you to stop mewling for five minutesm
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Oct 19, 2016 17:16
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rear end Catchcum posted:Don't claim people in here are calling you a minstrel or whatever you said and then when asked about it ignore it cause it never happened the way you presented it. Is he playing the race card?
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Oct 19, 2016 17:17
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rear end Catchcum posted:Why do you refuse to back up your claims? There's a thing called post history, if you're so loving obsessed with my words, go look them up yourself. I'm not the one citing made up interviews and behind the scenes footage only my uncle from nintendo saw where George and Ahmed conspired to hide old timey racism in their star wars.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:17
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No, they're stating something as fact that never happened and refuses to simply quote their source.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:17
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Show your work, as you dumbfucks like to say.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:18
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Here's a cool vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNYK5lhAzvg (Start at 5m0s) Ahmed Best posted:A lot of Jar Jar Binks comes from Buster Keaton. George and I would watch a lot of Buster Keaton. [...] A lot of the things that I did, I would do my own version of a Keaton movement.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:18
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I hate to be the rear end in a top hat who rains on everyone's parade, but doesn't this seem like the kind of thing that could easily get the thread shut down, at least temporarily? Maybe a course correction is needed...
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Oct 19, 2016 17:18
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rear end Catchcum posted:No, they're stating something as fact that never happened and refuses to simply quote their source. Why are you so lazy, you fuckface? You can just hit the little question mark under one of his posts and check for yourself.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:18
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*claims to be racially insulted* "Oh, who said that?" "I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING CHECK MY POSTS." You're a baby.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:19
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Ruddigers claim was lazy. I checked the post history. What they said didn't happen. They're a liar.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:20
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Star Wars TPM is racist and you should feel bad for so tenaciously trying to deflect its obvious defamation of several minority and ethnic groups I narrow my focus to TPM because these things disappear after TPM. Jar Jar changes drastically afterward. Almost as if the wave of criticisms of antisemitism and racism made Lucas change his poo poo fast
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Oct 19, 2016 17:21
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rear end Catchcum posted:Ruddigers claim was lazy. I checked the post history. What they said didn't happen. They're a liar. I remember people repeating the claim that broken English is minstrelsy after ruddiger talked about his grandmother. Maybe they didn't read, maybe they share your cowardice, but it definitely happened.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:22
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Phi230 posted:Star Wars TPM is racist and you should feel bad for so tenaciously trying to deflect its obvious defamation of several minority and ethnic groups Your parents should feel bad for dropping you on the head so many times.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:23
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Brainiac Five posted:I remember people repeating the claim that broken English is minstrelsy after ruddiger talked about his grandmother. Maybe they didn't read, maybe they share your cowardice, but it definitely happened. Post them. I read them. No one called them or their nana that, which is what they claimed.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:23
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rear end Catchcum posted:*claims to be racially insulted* Tezzor said this http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?goto=post&postid=465501909#post465501909 Tezzor posted:Lol why is it so hard for you people to admit the obvious After Ruddiger had mentioned his grandmother talks in a similar way. The implication in Tezzor's post ("we even got people" that'd be Ruddiger "just the way other people" that'd be his grandmother) is that she's talking like a minstrel show. Is that enough for you you pendantic idiot
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Oct 19, 2016 17:23
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There is no such implication. In fact Ruddiger is trying to pass off minstrel performance as an accent. An accent that, despite whatever Ruddiger says, does not exist in the real world. Such an accent Jar Jar uses was used in minstrel shows and is deragatory
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Oct 19, 2016 17:26
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:People evidently don't understand what racism even is. Racism is an ideology. If you are not engaged in ideological critique, you are appropriating antiracism and using its terminology for purposes that have nothing to do with socioeconomic justice.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:27
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Phi230 posted:There is no such implication. Or you could apologize for it. Didn't mommy and daddy teach you to apologize when you gently caress up? Or did they give up on trying to teach their little hellspawn anything about proper behavior?
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Oct 19, 2016 17:28
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Phi230 posted:There is no such implication. you have yet to demonstrate what Jar Jar and a Minstrel Performance have in common, including the accent you can't simply take for granted that everyone grants the premise of Jar Jar being a minstrel. demonstrate how. also probably apologize to ruddiger for calling his grandma's accent a minstrel accent
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Oct 19, 2016 17:28
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Brainiac Five posted:Or you could apologize for it. Didn't mommy and daddy teach you to apologize when you gently caress up? Or did they give up on trying to teach their little hellspawn anything about proper behavior? I apologize for the ambiguous verbiage that you selectively heard but the point of Ruddiger trying to defend minstrel shows by saying that somehow that is a legitimate accent stands.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:30
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Waffles Inc. posted:you have yet to demonstrate what Jar Jar and a Minstrel Performance have in common, including the accent temple posted:And he had a jive walking and gullah talking buffoon played by and modeled after a black man in his movie. The reaction to Jar Jar was well documented. I don't see how people can deny that the criticism existed prior to last night.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:29
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Phi230 posted:I apologize for the ambiguous verbiage that you selectively heard but the point of Ruddiger trying to defend minstrel shows by saying that somehow that is a legitimate accent stands. I see they did not.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:30
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Brainiac Five posted:I see they did not. So minstrel accents, which were created and existed solely to berate minorities, are ok and real? I never said nor implied his grams talked like a minstrel
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Oct 19, 2016 17:31
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ruddiger posted:As far as "meesa" goes, my grandmother still says me instead of I despite speaking English for the past 80+ years, I'll be sure to call her a disgusting racist stereotype the next time I see her. phi230 posted:Lol why is it so hard for you people to admit the obvious ruddiger posted:Again, Jar Jar had no masters and you're arguing with a false equivalency. He's directly responding to my post and making a direct correlation between broken english and "mistrel speak" while also using a false equivalency to back up his racist claims. gently caress YOU, forums user rear end Catchcum, for trying to make it looks like I was screaming fire when it's clear one side wants to have a serious discussion about racism and the actual messages as presented in the movies, while the other side is "lol nope, george loves the minstrels". Again, I'm not the one saying people who speak in foreign accents are racists stereotypes. THESE PEOPLE EXIST. It's you idiots that are offended they're being presented in your white-speak only Star Wars. The way some of you have clutched onto the words "minstrel" and "sambo" is pretty loving disgusting, by the way. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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Phi230 posted:So minstrel accents, which were created and existed solely to berate minorities, are ok and real? Actually, I'm talking about you thinking "you are wrong" is something that should ever be in an apology, you wretched sack of poo poo.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:33
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Where am I ever offended at accents? I have always been focused on Jar Jar and Watto. My nematoads point was debunked
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Oct 19, 2016 17:33
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temple posted:The reaction to Jar Jar was well documented. I don't see how people can deny that the criticism existed prior to last night. Just because it existed doesn't mean it's valid. Again, the actor himself has responded really eloquently to the criticism. That aside, here's a compilation someone made of all of Jar Jar's scenes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FLhO7ZnKHs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bebyFYIhIk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR_ow1HYrts When is he "jive walking"? It looks like he's just...walking? Also he's self-describedly "clumsy", which isn't a racial trait I'm aware of, but is otherwise a character not unlike Finn or 3PO, who themselves get into awkward situations. He proves to be a valuable, loyal and insightful companion once the characters see past their own bigotry Much like one would think audiences would. But apparently nerds have a deep seated hatred of characters who talk with a funny voice Waffles Inc. fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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Oct 19, 2016 17:35
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Brainiac Five posted:Actually, I'm talking about you thinking "you are wrong" is something that should ever be in an apology, you wretched sack of poo poo. Im a wretched sack of poo poo for thinking a racist caricature is offensive ok buddy
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Oct 19, 2016 17:34
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Lucas is more sexist than racist imho.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:36
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sassassin posted:Lucas is more sexist than racist imho. In before ruddiger comes in with the "well, actually"
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Oct 19, 2016 17:37
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Phi230 posted:Im a wretched sack of poo poo for thinking a racist caricature is offensive ok buddy it's genuinely not cool that you're continuing to do this after ruddiger has time and time again said that his own very real grandmother speaks like this what the gently caress is wrong with you
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Oct 19, 2016 17:38
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Waffles Inc. posted:Just because it existed doesn't mean it's valid. Again, the actor himself has responded really eloquently to the criticism It isn't about intent, it is about impact. In other words, Poe's Law.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:38
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sassassin posted:Lucas is more sexist than racist imho. Leia is a strong independent woman who saves the day in Jedi. Padme runs a whole drat planet. Mon Mothma knew what's up too. The Sarlacc Pitt is literally a giant vagina that eats the male aggresors who subjugate women into slavery. George Lucas, enemy of the White Man. The hero that we need.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:39
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Phi230 posted:Im a wretched sack of poo poo for thinking a racist caricature is offensive ok buddy Now you're lying. In the vast echoing cavern of your skull, do you have a "Mission Accomplished" banner hanging up? Do you believe yourself to be crusading against racism and thus justified in any evils you may commit?
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Oct 19, 2016 17:39
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Ruddiger makes me legit vomit. Anyway, back to STAR WARS, I'm extremely excited for rogue one and the interesting places Garreth will take us. The droid that looks like the medical droid from Esb looks dope as gently caress and I hope they live.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:39
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I think I side with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson on jar jar
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temple posted:Ahmed Best is dead. Context matters. Performances don't exist in a vacuum. Then we agree even more completely! If you're talking purely about context, then Jar Jar is an even better mirror to hold up against the audience He's a guy who's fallen on hard times who gets saved by a chance encounter by people who think he's an idiot because he doesn't have a standard way of speaking. They (and by extension the audience) are shamed by Jar Jar when it turns out that he's an emotionally and genuinely intelligent dude who helps them beat the Trade Federation
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