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Maybe, but you don't actually know that. Right now they are in government as one of the big 4.
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doverhog posted:Maybe, but you don't actually know that. Right now they are in government as one of the big 4. I just didn't feel like explaining them since it's not very relevant and currently seems to be a one election thing anyway. This government is still also very much the Center party + National Coalition show when you look at how little influence the TF have actually had on its policy.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Are you sure you're not just projecting Czech politics onto every other country with a proportional voting system? It's simple arithmetics. If anything this theory was developed by French and Italian authors who had rich experience with proportional systems causing their countries to fail.
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Andrast posted:I guess the thing with Finland is that we have three "big" parties of similar size and our governments have two of the three in it. This means the government policy is almost always a big pile of compromises and generally the smaller parties don't have that much say. Small parties can be a stabilizing factor as well. In Germany the Freie Demokratische Partei had been traditionally a moderating force that created a continuity between left and right governments. Electoral math is fickle.
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steinrokkan posted:It's simple arithmetics. If anything this theory was developed by French and Italian authors who had rich experience with proportional systems causing their countries to fail. I'm pretty sure it's their voters and politicians being dumb idiots that are causing their country to fail
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I don't really see how FPTP is getting much justification in the countries its most prominent in atm.
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khwarezm posted:I don't really see how FPTP is getting much justification in the countries its most prominent in atm. Changing stuff like that is risky and a huge pain in the rear end. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't and all that. In a political system with little resistance to change someone might get in and just change it but then if another person gets in they can change it right back again so you're not really fixing anything are you? NFL medical system more resistant to change it takes broad agreement , generally not forthcoming without agreed-upon dysfunction.
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YF-23 posted:
We have such things to show you.  (Actually, I dont think we have anything to top that one)
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Changing stuff like that is risky and a huge pain in the rear end. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't and all that. In a political system with little resistance to change someone might get in and just change it but then if another person gets in they can change it right back again so you're not really fixing anything are you? NFL medical system more resistant to change it takes broad agreement , generally not forthcoming without agreed-upon dysfunction. Most of this post isn't very clear, but PR doesn't intrinsically just let anyone in power completely upend existing systems anymore than FPTP does. And at least with PR you don't get results as garish as the most recent UK General Election which really makes me wonder just how dysfunctional a democracy can get before people start reconsidering what they're using.
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steinrokkan posted:It's simple arithmetics. If anything this theory was developed by French and Italian authors who had rich experience with proportional systems causing their countries to fail.
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really liking the guy who is crying that czech voters are voting for left wing parties and since those parties aren't in favor of more neoliberal policies to fix neoliberal problems it means they're actually harmful and allowing the right to increase their power
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"if we aren't privatizing everything and creating giant walls to prevent refugees from coming in then the right wing will gain strenght  "
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Mans posted:really liking the guy who is crying that czech voters are voting for left wing parties and since those parties aren't in favor of more neoliberal policies to fix neoliberal problems it means they're actually harmful and allowing the right to increase their power What
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Mans posted:"if we aren't privatizing everything and creating giant walls to prevent refugees from coming in then the right wing will gain strenght The right wing is taking over europe and all the left is doing is crying about it, a good post.
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The left had a good run as long as they kept wages up, unemployment down and foreigners out.
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Mans posted:really liking the guy who is crying that czech voters are voting for left wing parties and since those parties aren't in favor of more neoliberal policies to fix neoliberal problems it means they're actually harmful and allowing the right to increase their power no homonazi in czech republic, god bless communism
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Kurtofan posted:no homonazi in czech republic, god bless communism Since the Czech Communist party has officially endorsed the North Korean regime as allies in their struggle against enemies of the revolution, I don't know what is better, them or homonazis.
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Mans posted:"if we aren't privatizing everything and creating giant walls to prevent refugees from coming in then the right wing will gain strenght (Insert your Tsipras neoliberal tears img here) btw can someone repost it in this thread so I can post it whenever Mans posts something?
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Geriatric Pirate posted:btw can someone repost it in this thread so I can post it whenever Mans posts something? 
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Pinch!
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computer parts posted:FPTP encourages consensus, not polarization. European PR systems have much more polarized parties than the US or UK Not in any country I can think of. Even for the autistic pedant troll routine that's a bad argument
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This piece of news had eluded me for some reason and is quite frightening: One third of french nuclear reactors are currently stopped. Article in French The ASN is invistigating an issue with the reactors' vessels that was first pointed out in the Flamanville's experimental EPR nuclear reactor design. This is the same tech we sold to the UK, which will be built at Hinkley Point. And now, a meme. 
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icantfindaname posted:Not in any country I can think of. Even for the autistic pedant troll routine that's a bad argument 
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:One third of french nuclear reactors are currently stopped. It's actually 12 of the 22 reactors that have been shut down for inspections. The other 10 are shut down for regular maintenance work. Right now the main concern is that EDF might not be producing enough power for the winter (because cheap electricity means a lot of places have electric heaters) and that France would have to import some at a high price.
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A sad and inevitable result of PR 
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Cécile Duflot, former leader of the Green Party in France and their only hope to get more than 2% of the votes in the general election (based on name recognition), just lost the party's primary for the presidential election, coming in third. So somehow the Greens managed to get even more irrelevant than we'd expected. Hilarious.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:
That's somehow a theme in every single country.
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:This piece of news had eluded me for some reason and is quite frightening: ehhh not really it's just a moderate inconvenience, worst case the oldest two reactors shut down a few years early and a few others spend a couple hundred million on upgrades
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Cécile Duflot, former leader of the Green Party in France and their only hope to get more than 2% of the votes in the general election (based on name recognition), just lost the party's primary for the presidential election, coming in third. who won
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Cécile Duflot, former leader of the Green Party in France and their only hope to get more than 2% of the votes in the general election (based on name recognition), just lost the party's primary for the presidential election, coming in third. To be fair, while Duflot is among the most well-known Greens, she's certainly not among the most liked (even by the broader public, not only Green militants who voted in the primary). @ Kurtofan: The second turn is going to be between Yannick Jadot and Michèle Rivasi.
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Kurtofan posted:who won I hope it's Gaston. Pinch Me Im Meming posted:And now, a meme. The reality of energy in Germany is coal, lots and lots of coal. And landscapes that look like this: 
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Cat Mattress posted:I hope it's Gaston. Yes, and no. Coal is still a big part regrettably, but renewables are making a very noticeable dent. It would be awesome if you didn't have 17 GW of lignite as baseload tough... I just stumbled into this pretty cool tool some days ago, it gives a good hourly breakdown of the German electric generation mix. Some days renewables make up for more than 50% of the power generated, while at others times it falls to 20ish%. https://www.agora-energiewende.de/en/topics/-agothem-/Produkt/produkt/76/Agorameter/
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Freezer posted:Yes, and no. Coal is still a big part regrettably, but renewables are making a very noticeable dent. It would be awesome if you didn't have 17 GW of lignite as baseload tough... 
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Wild Horses posted:the reality is germany positioning itself under Russia's thumb due to the gas imports. Sorry about your independence. we were never independent tho?
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Morticia makes me hard posted:we were never independent tho? Yaes, The Napoleonian Empire never ended, yase.
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