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Yeah, Haqq HI isn't bad by any means, it's just that the unique strengths of the faction lie elsewhere. I've run a 5-man Janissary link before, and it was a solid brick of hate. Unfortunately, it was also a hell of a lot of points that didn't cover as much of the board as I needed to. Lost the game with just the Jann's still standing.
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Yeah, if Janissaries had a hacker profile, they'd be hard core. But their models are rad as gently caress, so sometimes I bring them just for that.
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Ilor posted:But as an aside, it's why shooting into CC with Triangulated Fire is awesome - you actually can't hit your own guy. Please explain.
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Not a viking posted:Please explain. I think I know what Ilor is getting at. You take a -6 MOD to your BS attack for each allied trooper involved in the CC and if you fail due to that MOD then the ally is hit. Triangulated Fire allows the shooter to ignore all MODs that would otherwise apply to the attack (albeit it at BS-3). If the -6 MOD for shooting into CC is ignored, you don't have to worry about hitting your ally if you fail the roll because that MOD wasn't the reason you failed; that MOD (and its residual effects) was ignored.
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Ilor posted:They'd be good picks for a Limited Insertion game, though. I won a tournament with a HI-heavy vanilla Haqq list once, so Tell me more, as I have a real problem coming up with Haqq lists with fewer than 15 orders.
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Hmmm, it does seem a little ambiguous, doesn't it? I think the key phrase is "...the MOD applied for allied troopers..." The way this is worded (especially considering it can change depending on the number of allies in CC), it implies that its effects (i.e. the chances of hitting an ally) change depending on the MOD itself. By that metric, if the MOD isn't applied, its other effects are not relevant. You are never applying a -6 MOD for each trooper in combat, hence you cannot have a FC that exceeds those MODs. I know this has come up before on the official forums. Yup, here it is: http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/topic/28523-solved-triangulated-fire-and-cc/#comment-687595 Ilor fucked around with this message at 12:24 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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Yeah, I see now. The rule for shooting into CC says "fails by MOD applied for being in cc", while with Triangulated Fire, you don't apply that MOD.
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Ended up getting the CA Army box, the Morat sectorial box, and Hungries. Sadly the Batroids were sold out by the time I got to the storefront, but still excite.
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No biggy, you'll have to go back for the xeodrons and big bro overdron soon too 
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Pidgin Englishman posted:No biggy, you'll have to go back for the xeodrons and big bro overdron soon too How viable is a unidron, xeodron, and possibly overdron heavy Onyx Contact Force? The minis are some of my favorite in the range, so if it was possible to run a force with just those + Dr. Worm, Samaritans, and Legates (and the occasional support REM I suppose) I'd be all in. Edit: I primarily play 20x20.
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I don't know if it's viable but it looks fun. Onyx Contact Force──────────────────────────────────────────────────  10  NEXUS Lieutenant Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nullifier / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24) UNIDRON (Forward Observer) Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 15) UNIDRON (Forward Observer) Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 15) UNIDRON Plasma Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 24) UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 14) XEODRON K1 Combi Rifle, Blitzen / Heavy Pistol. (0.5 | 59) XEODRON K1 Combi Rifle, Blitzen / Heavy Pistol. (0.5 | 59) UMBRA SAMARITAN (EI Assault Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Goodnight) Plasma Carbine, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Vorpal CC Weapon. (0.5 | 43) T-DRONE Smart Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 18) MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23) SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army I'm really hoping to try something like this because the Nexus can put Supportware on the Unidron Sniper. If the sniper's target is in his +3 range band, you've got him shooting at BS17 B3 with Plasma/Shock. pretty rad, right? BlackIronHeart fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Oct 20, 2016 |
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KPC_Mammon posted:How viable is a unidron, xeodron, and possibly overdron heavy Onyx Contact Force? The minis are some of my favorite in the range, so if it was possible to run a force with just those + Dr. Worm, Samaritans, and Legates (and the occasional support REM I suppose) I'd be all in. I'd think so, just bring a nullifier and some ikadrons to deal with hackers... with a list like that you'll have to walk across the board to accomplish anything.
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Who just bought a bunch of Corregidor? This guy. Missed out on $30 geckos, and I didn't get any jaguars yet. Corregidor starter, aguicils, tomcats (I love those models - they are one of the reasons I got in to Infinity), and hellcats (spitfire and hacker) . Yojimbo to round out my JSA, and an O-12 commisioner to add to my HVTs. With those additions to what I've got already I think I've got a pretty decent nomad collection. I've got an Iguana, Intruder HMG, Sineater HMG, and Icestorm starter set.
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BlackIronHeart posted:I don't know if it's viable but it looks fun. I've tried something similair, with an m-drone and e drone alongside the links. It works decently, marksman and template plasma on a 3 burst sniper is so nice. Plus the option of dogged or 2-stage unconcious. You really want a hacker out of the link, though, so putting up supportware doesnt get your sniper pinged. The xeodron Harris is a bit trickier to use - it's all the army's assault potential, but the Samaritan is pretty fragile and there's no long range weapons. It gets locked down by snipers or tr bots fairly easily, but on the other hand you've got 2 tags and an nwi model, so it can soak up a bit of damage. Overdrons are hot, though. A 3 wound hrmc/burst 3 plasma sniper is tasty. I'm thinking one of them and a xeodron red fury are a nice base. Sprinkle some Unidron links, ikadrons, and an umbra or two. Maybe a malignos infiltrating fo? So much good stuff.
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I managed to snag a USAriadna box for a friend's Christmas present but most of the stuff I wanted was out of stock by the time I placed my order. Someday, MRRF, someday.
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Ironically, none of the Haqq stuff I wanted to get was on sale, so I bought a shitload of JSA, PanO and Nomads. You might hold out on MRRF until the new book next year. The rumor mill says they're in the pipe for a revamp at that point, but that's been an inaccurate prediction before. I am personally hype as hell for the prospect, though. I was also devastated to learn yesterday that Gundam kits are too big to use as TAG proxies. This is a tremendous shame.
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Sir Teabag posted:Who just bought a bunch of Corregidor? This guy. Welcome to the coolest army. Can I interest you in buying some Antenociti's Workshop Komodo models to proxy as Geckos? (Only half-kidding, I put the fuckers up on Infinity Trader on FB and no-one wants them. Really nice sculpts, and OOP so should be really desirable. Dammit) But Corregidor are legit good. They don't have some of the high-end super-nasties or complex links that some sectorial armies do. What they have is efficient specialists (including access to both infiltration and AD specs), good core link options, excellent regular warbands, and Intruders, which while fragile are one of, if not the, most feared MI in the game.
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I got the Red Veil two player starter set, and I was wondering, how do I get these minis on the bases? The top is flat, but the bottom suggests that a slot could be put in there. Do I just cut it out? is there something really obvious I'm missing?
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Hiro Protagonist posted:I got the Red Veil two player starter set, and I was wondering, how do I get these minis on the bases? The top is flat, but the bottom suggests that a slot could be put in there. Do I just cut it out? is there something really obvious I'm missing? You cut the slot out or (and I can't remember if Red Veil has these on the bases) cut out the holes and use that for pinning or pegs.
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Or cut the bottom of the minis off and glue their feet to the base.
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Okay, I think I'm ready to jump into Infinity again with the Onyx Force. Is it ball-achingly hard to learn Onyx Force?
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Nah, its pretty straight forward. Onyx has less tricks and are more of a heavy fire power faction like PanO.
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What do I purchase after the onyx box? A legate samaritan?
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The Unidron box, the Xeodron box, the Overdron once it's available. 
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The Combined Army support box (Dr. Worm) is a good idea.
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:The Combined Army support box (Dr. Worm) is a good idea. He's the only source of Doctor and Engineer in the army, so him and his little worm buddies are a great addition.
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Plus the mini is  in that "Kill it! Kill it with fire!" kind of way.
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I don't know how anyone can look Dr. Worm or his Nurse Worms in one of their many, many, many eyes and want to kill them. 
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BlackIronHeart posted:I don't know how anyone can look Dr. Worm or his Nurse Worms in one of their many, many, many eyes and want to kill them. 
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So I traded in my hams for the two player starter box. Any tips for assembling these things? They all need more meat to pin, but it's just not there and I just know everything will fall apart the first time I put it all back in the box.
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Oct 23, 2016 16:01
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I havent had the need to pin my models tbh. Just use some decent glue.
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Wash the metal before gluing
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Iron Crowned posted:So I traded in my hams for the two player starter box. Any tips for assembling these things? They all need more meat to pin, but it's just not there and I just know everything will fall apart the first time I put it all back in the box. Score the connective joints with a blade. It gives the glue more to grip onto.
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Yeah, scoring does wonders. I'm impatient, so rather than wait a minute for my joins to dry, I just put a teeny bit of kneadatite in along the connection and let that hold it until the CA cures. My guys have survived multiple trips off the table edge without spraying parts everywhere. The green stuff trick also works great for the fiddly stuff like Pan O antennae.
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Gorilla Glue. The more gel like variety. I've built two tags, and pinned those. Never had to pin anything else though.
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Seconding (thirding) that scoring and/or kneadite is fine
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I was struggling to keep my models together. I threw my old super glue in the bin and got some new gel consistency super glue and have never looked back.
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I'm glad this topic's come up, since I was going to ask exactly this kind of stuff (this is my first metal miniature).
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