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The good Z Moves will not be the big damage laser ones and we've only seen one of those so far, expect something totally gamebreaking on a Pokémon nobody would use if it didn't have that Z move
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I remember some evidence that the power of Z moves is determined party by what move you're combining it with. I wonder if you can get something extremely powerful if you combine it with Hyper Beam or Blast Burn or whatever.
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Oct 20, 2016 04:32
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that evidence, is the freaking demo. maybe put down the simulators and play some pokemon once in a while
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Oct 20, 2016 04:32
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oddium posted:that evidence, is the freaking demo. maybe put down the simulators and play some pokemon once in a while i dont trust people, and i didn't use Pikachu in the demo, because ASh Greninja is so freakin sweet.
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Oct 20, 2016 04:34
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i'm skeptical about z-moves getting alot of use in vgc because of how common protect is and z-moves only getting one shot
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Oct 20, 2016 04:35
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mabels big day posted:i dont trust people, and i didn't use Pikachu in the demo, because ASh Greninja is so freakin sweet. [aside] he's right...
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Oct 20, 2016 04:36
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oddium posted:oh i read serebii wrong i think. anyway using an item slot to get hyper beam isn't very good. but getting geomancy would be. cheers Seems like Z moves of a certain type can be activated with offensive moves of the same type if the interaction with Thunderbolt, Electro Ball, and Nuzzle are any indication. Though I also question their usefulness in a format where Protect is dominant. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Oct 20, 2016 04:37
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Anyway the roundabout point I want to make is bring back gen 1 Hyper Beam
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Oct 20, 2016 04:39
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Countblanc posted:175 power basically lets you punch through a lot of poo poo that you otherwise couldnt and at worst gives you some very strong option selects ("i'm going to throw this 175 power move which was only resisted by the two KO'd mons on my opponents team so something is dying either way"). i dunno though we'll have to see what they all are, hopefully there's more like the eevee one which provide buffs or defensive benefits There's confirmed to be 29 iirc, 18 generics and likely 11 signature ones, of which we've seen 4. I'm expecting all the generic ones to be straight up attacks while a couple of pokemon get their gimmicks that change stats, and it's once more mostly Gen I stuff. Far'fetch gets one that raises his attack and speed by three stages before delivering a 130 power attack. mabels big day posted:I remember some evidence that the power of Z moves is determined party by what move you're combining it with. I wonder if you can get something extremely powerful if you combine it with Hyper Beam or Blast Burn or whatever. I'm guessing Explosion will be bonkers
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Oct 20, 2016 04:40
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I'm sure Z-Moves will actually see a lot of use in VGC because they're really similar to how the different Type Gems were back in the day. You get one shot with a powered up attack and that took an item slot from the pokemon as well, yet it was all over the place like Fighting Gem Close Combat Hitmontop in order to secure OHKOs on things. And really, baiting out a protect is easy enough. Or have a partner with Feint.
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Oct 20, 2016 04:41
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:I still think it's crazy that Ash-Greninja can use items. Not only does it get what is essentially a free Life Orb boost, but you can throw another Life Orb on top of that! You would think that Game Freak might cool it after Primal Reversion and other goofy Gen 6 crap, but nope. He has to KO something and manage to not get Mach Punched right in the dick which is surprisingly difficult!
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Oct 20, 2016 04:43
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mabels big day posted:Anyway the roundabout point I want to make is bring back gen 1 Hyper Beam this, but bring it back in full, with the pixel beam and grating noise (which i think they already brought back iirc)
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Oct 20, 2016 04:44
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I'm interested to learn exactly how the replaced move correlates with the base power of a Z-Move.
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Oct 20, 2016 04:48
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mandatory lesbian posted:this, but bring it back in full, with the pixel beam and grating noise (which i think they already brought back iirc) you remember correctly
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Oct 20, 2016 04:54
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Bongo Bill posted:I'm interested to learn exactly how the replaced move correlates with the base power of a Z-Move. Electro Ball (Probably 80power) 160 Nuzzle (20) 100 Thunderbolt (90) 175 Straight 80 power up and it gets higher as the move increases in power?
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Oct 20, 2016 04:56
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Was Thunderbolt actually still at 90 or is it back to 95? I never checked while pikachu was still in the party, though I guess somebody would have reported that by now. If not, it's probably just something simple like 100 is the min-damage and 175 is the max damage with the move power being calculated as BPx2. Nuzzle went up to the min, Electro Ball worked out fine and Thunderbolt hit the max. In Gen 5 there were 210BP Draco Meteors thanks to type gems which they probably felt was too much compared to 180BP close combats.
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Oct 20, 2016 05:01
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Thunderbolt is still 90. I don't think we'll be able to deduce how much of a power boost Z moves get unless something gets data mined out, or until the full game launches. If the move has its own special formula for determining BP, it's not gonna be able to be data mined.
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Oct 20, 2016 05:10
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wishlist: make Haze and Torment priority moves, somehow nerf evasion or buff anti-evasion options, return Hyper Beam to its former glory, nerf u-turn, and thats the important stuff
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Oct 20, 2016 05:15
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Battle Bond Greninja was confirmed to be a separate form from regular Greninja. In case anyone was worried about Protean Greninja.
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Oct 20, 2016 06:02
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Good. Protean Greninja = Awesome. Greninja that looks like anime dork = terrible.
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Oct 20, 2016 06:25
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I'm predicting that Battle Bond Greninja will also be in the No Eggs group and can't be bred. Similar to Cosplay Pikachu.
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Oct 20, 2016 06:27
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Electro Ball (Probably 80power) 160 Electro Ball's power is based on the Speed difference between the two Pokemon. It can range from 60BP if the opponent is 50% faster and 150BP if the target's 25% slower. So having it set at 160BP might not be a huge upgrade depending on the circumstances. But no one really uses Electro Ball, so it's not a huge deal.
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Oct 20, 2016 06:42
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Crosspeice posted:Electro Ball's power is based on the Speed difference between the two Pokemon. It can range from 60BP if the opponent is 50% faster and 150BP if the target's 25% slower. So having it set at 160BP might not be a huge upgrade depending on the circumstances. But no one really uses Electro Ball, so it's not a huge deal. I used Electro Ball with my Galvantula.  I guess the main story doesn't count though. Does the Paralysis speed drop affect Electro Ball's power? I never figured out if so.
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Oct 20, 2016 06:46
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AlphaKretin posted:I used Electro Ball with my Galvantula. It does, but the paralysis speed drop has been nerfed.
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Oct 20, 2016 06:50
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Dr. Fetus posted:Power Up Punch isn't a TM anymore. RIP megas in general it looks like, the new VGC format does not allow mega pokemon and because you can't transfer items across games they could actually keep the megas in the old games forever if they wanted to
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Oct 20, 2016 07:07
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Mega Kangaskhan.
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what a weird thing to do if they do bury megas forever, they had better give the pokemon with mega evolutions actual evolutions to compensate. pidgeot and beedrill don't deserve this
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Oct 20, 2016 07:08
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They're not burying Megas forever. They'll be back in the next format. They wouldn't bother putting the Mega stones in the game if they were burying them.
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Oct 20, 2016 07:15
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less laughter posted:The Unown will get their own Z move in which the entire alphabet as well as ! and ? team up to pummel the opponent to death with the power of literacy Alphabeat Up why did it take two pages before this obvious joke, jeez
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Oct 20, 2016 07:19
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They're gonna want to keep Megas around if only for remakes. But I can see it being de-emphasised whenever new gens are out, so they can focus more on whichever gimmick or new mechanics are in the new games. Until like maybe the 3rd game of each gen.
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Oct 20, 2016 07:34
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Manatee Cannon posted:what a weird thing to do Design-wise several of them like Mega Heracross could easily be turned into a regular evolution and no one would notice the difference. It really looks like a whole other species instead of a powered-up form of regular Heracross. 
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Oct 20, 2016 07:42
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the whole mega thing is kind of hit and miss with the designs but it really would kind of suck if they were phased out over time. ideally gamefreak would give megas/z-moves/regional forms to pokemon that need a little more attention as they move forward in making games. i really love the whole regional form thing because it's 1 step closer to various breeding forms that people have been drawing fanart of for forever
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Oct 20, 2016 08:06
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what I want: Battle Bond Meowth belonging to Team Rocket.
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Oct 20, 2016 08:20
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In a recent comment it looks like that leaker who was leaking using riddles may have said that the starters' secret has been scrapped. It actually wouldn't be the first time something advertised in Corocoro wasn't followed up on such as when it said that Zorua would have an all new evolution method.
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Oct 20, 2016 08:57
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the secret is that they're all fire/fighting
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Oct 20, 2016 09:06
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Dexie posted:They're not burying Megas forever. He said, forgetting Soul Dew and Gems.
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Oct 20, 2016 09:45
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less laughter posted:Design-wise several of them like Mega Heracross could easily be turned into a regular evolution and no one would notice the difference. It really looks like a whole other species instead of a powered-up form of regular Heracross. Mega Mawile and Mega Audino should also be regular evolutions.
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Oct 20, 2016 09:50
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Mega Mawile and Mega Audino should also be regular evolutions. agreed
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Oct 20, 2016 10:10
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Eviolites for all
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Oct 20, 2016 10:39
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Please do not allow people to use Mega Mawile + Item.
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Oct 20, 2016 13:10
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Items ruined pokemon
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