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People really, really hate when NPCs step in and solve the case for you. Calling people on their bullshit is the core gameplay mechanic so when Klavier steps in and raises the same objection you've been looking for a chance to call out the entire trial it's just about the worst possible misstep these games can make. There are a lot of reasons AA4 suffers in comparison to the rest of series but that's the one that really sticks with me. For that reason alone I prefer Nahyuta as the prosecutor even though he's less entertaining.
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Ledgy posted:I think the worst part is that in AA4, he has an obvious possible character arc that is never really expanded upon. The dude clearly has huge pressure coming from his brother, I mean, the guys sport almost the same haircut, but they only have a couple lines between eachother. What a shame. Toss this into the pile of AA7 ideas and prosecutors Athena needs to face off with. We never really get a satisfying Klavier arc considering he discovers some horrible truths about his older brother and a close friend in short order. Here's a young man with two successful careers (I think a lot of folks will disagree but just go with it for a minute), financially wants for nothing, can probably have whatever causal relationship he pleases, but his personal life is a loving mess. I wonder if Klavier would become more interesting if you had Athena picking up on his deflective helpfulness at every turn and frustrating the poo poo out of him?
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Oct 19, 2016 15:55
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I really like Klavier in investigation segments, because you get to both see past his facade and have constructive chats that lead you closer to solving the case. He's just an awful prosecutor, because he spends most of his time either raising objections that should be Apollo's and dropping hints for you, or withholding key evidence, feeding lines to the killer and pressuring witnesses into lying under oath. He never gets called out on the latter, and the game will not let you forget that he's an honest duck who plays fair. E: He's still a better prosecutor than Nahyuta, and a much better character. I can't even imagine the shitshow that AA8's prosecutor will be. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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Oct 19, 2016 16:07
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Calico Heart posted:Klavier is a cool fun character. Dunno why he's so hated when he's bursting with personality and from what I remember not an outright rear end in a top hat. After playing a game where the prosecutor has all the character of a bowl of oatmeal I dunno how you all can poo poo on Klavier so much.  The air guitar and the fact I don't want to reach into my 3DS and strangle him makes up for a lot.
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Oct 19, 2016 16:08
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Also of all the prosecutor gimmicks in the franchise, "eurotrash glam rock star" is by far the lamest.
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Nate RFB posted:Also of all the prosecutor gimmicks in the franchise, "eurotrash glam rock star" is by far the lamest. It's better than Nayuta's "The accused is guilty because God said so" ad nauseam, and a large percentage of his rebuttals just being "Let it go and move on"
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Oct 19, 2016 16:32
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Nope. The worst though is probably the fact that not only is he a "rock start" prosecutor, his whole band is apparently made up of prosecutors/detectives.
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Oct 19, 2016 16:36
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work colleagues starting a band loving impossible
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Daryan's breakdown was pretty amusing. E: I'm having a conversation about the AA series at large in a Discord with people who haven't gotten around to this game yet and I don't want to spoil them so I'll get some stuff off my chest here. Case 3 has another sympathetic culprit after arguably 2-3 The game has some pretty strong contenders for second best theme behind Great Revival It has a better final point than AA5's triple point AlphaKretin fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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HenryEx posted:work colleagues starting a band
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Klavier's animations were also really good unlike Nahyuta's which were either dumb or overdone.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Klavier's animations were also really good unlike Nahyuta's which were either dumb or overdone. That's more plus for Apollo Justice than it is for Klavier. That game had some great animations. I want to say also that I think the average quality of the soundtrack in this game is just kind of ok, but that it has some of the best laid back themes in the series (I want that case opening music to be a mainstay, it's so loving good).
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Oct 19, 2016 16:51
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well Klaviers animations are from aa4 which is the best looking game in the series
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Rangpur posted:People really, really hate when NPCs step in and solve the case for you. Calling people on their bullshit is the core gameplay mechanic so when Klavier steps in and raises the same objection you've been looking for a chance to call out the entire trial it's just about the worst possible misstep these games can make. Pretty much. These people are obstacles before they're characters, so even though Nahyuta has almost nothing going for him in the end, he's still better than Klavier.
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AlphaKretin posted:Case 3 has another sympathetic culprit after arguably 2-3 I think you're forgetting the saddest, most sympathetic culprit in the entire franchise.  "I wasn't strong enough." 
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Oh, oh geez, oh poo poo, I did. Man I'm forgetting AA stuff left and right tonight.
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Like I legit had water in my eyes during that case. 
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Oct 19, 2016 17:30
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Acro wasn't particularly sympathetic, I don't think. I had more sympathy for someone like Ini Miney or Dee Vasques than the dude who schemed to murder a child. A child his brother loved and to whose father he owed his entire livelihood. Personally, though, as far as sympathetic killers go:  "In my world, the color red doesn't exist. These must be... my tears."
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Oct 19, 2016 17:50
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Is that... the DLC case from AA5? I never actually finished that one, and lost the 3DS where I had it downloaded. Given that Nintendo is awful about transferring purchases to a new machine, and I didn't want to pay $25 to see the last--I assumed--10 minutes of a case, I never actually finished it. Sounds like it went in a different direction than I expected, so well done there.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:57
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Godot was a pretty lovely person and that whole situation was created by him so he could be The Hero in saving Maya. Though if we're being honest, the whole part with him being the killer always felt kinda tacked on to me. Maybe it's because I didn't see it coming, but it really felt like the writers went "Well we've taken care of Dahlia, time to wrap up. Wait, we didn't actually write in a murder, poo poo. Uh, it was Godot. Sure."
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:A child his brother loved That worked out incredibly well for him gently caress case 2-3
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Lurdiak posted:I think you're forgetting the saddest, most sympathetic culprit in the entire franchise. Worst part is, you're absolutely right. At least he got rehabilitated and was allowed back to his workplace. 
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Rangpur posted:Is that... the DLC case from AA5? I never actually finished that one, and lost the 3DS where I had it downloaded. Given that Nintendo is awful about transferring purchases to a new machine, and I didn't want to pay $25 to see the last--I assumed--10 minutes of a case, I never actually finished it. Sounds like it went in a different direction than I expected, so well done there. In my opinion, the best twist in any case.
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T&T:Momomo posted:Godot was a pretty lovely person and that whole situation was created by him so he could be The Hero in saving Maya. Irony Be My Shield fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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Finally finished case 5. Most things panned out as i expected them to, the only thing that blindsided me (and really was the last piece i needed to tie all my expectations together into a working package) was Dhurke already being dead at casically the start of the game. Yeah okay, that makes the times fit, but i don't think we got a single hint towards that until the point in case 5 where he mentioned "uh i'll be gone soon sorry" and that was after Inga's murder already. Game also had me second-guessing myself into stupidity, since in the baby picture iimmediately assumed it was Amara and Rayfa, and then the game goes "nope that was 23 years ago, that's Nahyuta" and i go wtf? Okay? Didn't think much of the book then, since it hadn't been cleared how exactly the timeline went back then and how quickly Dhurke freed Amara. I also call bullshit on Maya not saying anything about the whole channeling Dhurke thing after he was gone at least! This isn't her first rodeo, she should know better than to be one of the "mmh but it's a promise!" witnesses! Especially since she knew it's PW's and AJ's life on the line. Come on, game. Also kinda weird that no one ever even entertained the notion of Ga'ran not having spiritual power until the very last moment of Lazer Lines. We've been spending the entier game ahndling the founder's orb and what it does, and tons of circumstantial evidence, and then people remember it only at the last possible second. Wasn't much of a fan of Ga'ran in general, kind of a lame last boss, and the breakdown wasn't too great either. I'm almost feeling like the breakdowns and "heavy hits" have been kinda getting worse since the jump to 3D in general, honestly. The only remarkable one in DD was the chalkboard one (don't remember the case number), and i can't really remember any of the ones in SoJ except the rakugou one because it had a kinda funny punchline in a "Frank Sahwit" way. Too bad the culprit themselves was kinda ugh.
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Case 5 Day 2 Investigation I know that anime cutscene was supposed to be Datz and Inmee leading the rebels to protest, but it totally looked like Datz just yelled "gently caress THE REGIME", ran to the temple, started throwing haymakers, and then Inmee just happened to also bring a crowd. Also Datz is the best character in the series.
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HenryEx posted:Finally finished case 5. Most things panned out as i expected them to, the only thing that blindsided me (and really was the last piece i needed to tie all my expectations together into a working package) was Dhurke already being dead at casically the start of the game. Yeah okay, that makes the times fit, but i don't think we got a single hint towards that until the point in case 5 where he mentioned "uh i'll be gone soon sorry" and that was after Inga's murder already. There were two pretty good hints: Inga being completely shocked to hear from him was one, and Dhurke having absolutely no memory of anything after going into the temple is the other.
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Yeah I was really impressed how well it explained his testimony. I assumed it would just be amnesia nonsense.
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TheKingofSprings posted:There were two pretty good hints: Inga being completely shocked to hear from him was one, and Dhurke having absolutely no memory of anything after going into the temple is the other. I assumed he was knocked out after entering the temple and then killed while unconscious, being then channeled with knife in hand over dead Inga. it was the first thing i thought of when he said what he remembered happening. I immediately thought Maya was currently channeling as i was speaking to him in the detainment cell (due to the black hair), but then the game went "nope, Maya is in the hospital, she's fine" and i was at a loss for a while WHO was channeling. Was never a doubt in my mind that Dhurke was dead af and being refrigerated in a coffin from the start of the investigation (well okay, some doubt that was immediately cleared when he said "sorry Apollo about what you're gonna find out"), i just couldn't tie together the exact timeline since his time of death was so far off. As for Inga being surprised, i don't remember the shock being that huge. Probably because we only "heard" him over the phone and didn't see a comically exaggerated facial expression. I assumed he was baffled that he was speaking with his extortion target PW in America one second, and the next second the line had been hijacked by the notorious rebel leader of his country. That would give anyone pause, no deaths involved. Considering everything else can be seen coming from quite a while away with explicit hints, it's really the one thing that's a little out there and not too well defined ahead of time.
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HenryEx posted:I assumed he was knocked out after entering the temple and then killed while unconscious, being then channeled with knife in hand over dead Inga. it was the first thing i thought of when he said what he remembered happening. I immediately thought Maya was currently channeling as i was speaking to him in the detainment cell (due to the black hair), but then the game went "nope, Maya is in the hospital, she's fine" and i was at a loss for a while WHO was channeling. Was never a doubt in my mind that Dhurke was dead af and being refrigerated in a coffin from the start of the investigation (well okay, some doubt that was immediately cleared when he said "sorry Apollo about what you're gonna find out"), i just couldn't tie together the exact timeline since his time of death was so far off. As far as the detainment cell part is concerned, they did hint that black hair would be involved because they had L'Belle brand hair coloring in Inga's room for no other reason, I guess maybe if he was greying or something.
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Oh my God, the 4th case actually does revovle around rakugo and karuta cards. I thought everyone who mentioned that was taking the piss. To be fair the game does an okay job of explaining them, but I feel like most of it would be flying over my head were it not for a couple recent anime. (Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinju and Chihayafuru, respectively, fwiw.) Sometimes it feels like the scenario writers at Capcom go out of their way to troll the localizers who decided to set Phoenix Wright in the US. I look forward to the next game, in which the Prime Minister of California is arrested for a murder committed on the bullet train, and the only clue is a Mahjong hand that only counts as a win in obscure local variants. edit: and the murderer is a member of the Emperorer of America's personal staff. edit2: also the motive for the crime revolves around California's claim to the Sakhalin Islands. Rangpur fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Oct 20, 2016 |
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aa7 character: my name is kenji. i play a japanese sport known as kendo aa thread: holy poo poo, the mad men. can't believe how hard they just trolled the localizers.
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Rakugo and Karuta are considered old fashioned as hell, even in Japan. C'mon man. eat your hamburgers, apollo
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my favorite moment from Case 5 was when Dhurke took three bullets to the 10 ring like it was nothing. I was legit shocked that they actually showed that, just confirms that Dhurke is indeed the best
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Case 5 stuff I find it funny that Dhurke's death is the most straightforward thing in the series. He dies because Inga just loving shoots the hell out of him. That's all there is to it.
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For people who say the breakdowns have gotten lame, counter-point (6-2) Roger Retinz. Easily in the top 5 of the series. (6-5) Paul Athician (sic) had a really good one too. Actually, speaking of breakdowns, what are everyone's favorite in the series?
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I wasn't a big fan of case 5-3, but I loved the transition and subsequent breakdown.Damon Gants is another favorite of mine.
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legoman727 posted:Actually, speaking of breakdowns, what are everyone's favorite in the series? I'm sure almost everyone will choose from the most insane ones so I'll go with a more modest one: 1-3 That cracking sound tells you everything you need to know. The culprit didn't need to go SSJ3 and it was still very satisfying.
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