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Crazy Ted posted:It's still been a poo poo product this year. I think it's a combination of market saturation exacerbated by a steadily decreasing quality of play, with a league-wide attitude that the NFL could never do anything wrong. Like a lot of people, I will watch the Lions (local team) and generally big games on Sunday night, plus a couple other teams when on Sunday or Monday. I enjoyed the first round of the draft on a Saturday morning. All of what we used to have. Now, I don't really care about the draft, because the Stanley Cup playoffs are on. I never cared about preseason, and went from neutral to negative on it because I am ordered to care about it. I don't care about a Thursday night game involving two teams that no one cares about, and am sick of being told to care. I don't like fantasy, and hate daily fantasy, and am sick of that being a bigger and bigger part of the NFL. Meanwhile, every network has a morning of pregame shows, plus the NFL Network's own show. Most of sports coverage is talking heads yelling nothing about the NFL, only increasing the fatigue. Any possible fun, sincerity and spontaneity has been mandated out of the league. For some reason, the league thinks that their customer base wants heavy-handed rulings from Roger Goodell above anything else, down to teams memorializing terrorist attacks followed by the league sending out memos saying that those memorials happened because they were mandatory. Anything unique and enjoyable has been sucked out, and replaced with ever-increasing sponsorships, filler, and money grabs. There's been increasing backlash to this, but the NFL would rather grab cash without any realization of what may happen, while listening to Darren Rovell. On the other end of things, I love college football, because it's an open-platform day where everyone can enjoy the game as they see fit. You want to tailgate all day? Go for it. You want to stand all game and chant things? Go stand with the students. You want to sit down with long-time friends and families? Youv'e got your same spots since forever. Plus, the variety of the game is still there, which makes every matchup fun to some extent.
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Niwrad posted:The NBA is good because the games are short. I can turn on a national TV game at 7 and it's done by 9:30. I'm looking at almost 4 hours for a Monday Night Football game. gently caress that. Spring Break My Heart fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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AsInHowe posted:With hockey, part of that problem was having many, many years of little to no national television package like other sports do. dammed if nbc shows games outside the same 7 teams (rangers/flyers/penguins/caps/bruins/red wings/blackhawks) and only one of those teams play in the west, like now they have to pray the blackhawks make the cup finals every year
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Niwrad posted:The NBA is good because the games are short. I can turn on a national TV game at 7 and it's done by 9:30. I'm looking at almost 4 hours for a Monday Night Football game. gently caress that. nfl games are right around 3 hours Alain Post posted:maybe the issue really is that there's way too much parity, and no superstar-driven teams like the NBA currently has with the Warriors/Cavs. is this a joke?  DJExile posted:It's also a painfully predictable product too. You know who the top 4 teams are going to be every year You should quit your job and take up sports betting my man! The teams in last years super bowl are a combined 5-7
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Vertical Lime posted:dammed if nbc shows games outside the same 7 teams (rangers/flyers/penguins/caps/bruins/red wings/blackhawks) Every game has one of those teams, and about half have two of those teams.
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AsInHowe posted:I think it's a combination of market saturation exacerbated by a steadily decreasing quality of play Is it that the quality is decreasing or we're aware of all the bad football more than ever? 2/3s of the league has always been mediocre and bad its just that we didn't have as easy access to see it with sunday ticket and red zone and all the videos, gifs and stats that are readily available online and on television. There's a similar notion with the NBA with people saying the Warriors are bad for the league and parity. Its always been a top heavy league but now that we have access to more games than ever we want more compelling teams to watch during the season.
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hifi posted:You should quit your job and take up sports betting my man! The teams in last years super bowl are a combined 5-7 Yeah I'm probably being a bit unfair here. Being in Toledo means when I did watch the NFL, it was always the Browns and Lions getting the poo poo kicked out of them. After that it was "oh hey everyone is rear end and the Patriots are going to at least the AFC championship again..." and I barely kept up with the NFC at all. hifi posted:nfl games are right around 3 hours The problem though is it's 3+ hours, largely of nothing happening. When literally 6% of the broadcast involves actual gameplay, I just cannot be bothered to keep following it. At least on Saturday I can jump around different games.
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How long is an actual game of football in the NFL now, 10 minutes?
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Peanut President posted:How long is an actual game of football in the NFL now, 10 minutes? That WSJ study a couple years ago put it at 11 minutes of actual action per game. I can't imagine it's changed much.
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If they just showed you the 10 minutes between snaps and whistles you wouldn't have a clue what was going on though. basketball and hockey have natural lulls where they are taking the sport object up the playing surface into the attacking zone or they score and reset the game. Soccer all they do is run around for 90 minutes and i'm not convinced at all there is more action than any other american sport. I guess the point i'm trying to make here is that forced commercial breaks are one thing and annoying (although the common refrain of td-commercial-xp-commercial-punt-commercial is not quite accurate - they can skip one or all of the commercials and sometimes they will only show one instead of a full reel), game length is another thing, and the amount of game per minute of tv is another.
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Soccer, basketball and hockey all largely have a certain flow to them though. Football is much more.... I'm not sure what the word is, quite honestly. "staccato" comes to mind because i'm an old band nerd but that's not entirely fair either. It's just tough for me to really find the rhythm of football at times, especially the NFL. What's tough about it is I do like the action of football. There's spectacular poo poo going on, no question of it. NFL football just seemed to have so many breaks right as I was getting into parts of games though. I will grant too that a number of my complaints lie more with the broadcast of the sport than the sport itself. I loved going to BG football games back before they got much TV coverage. You could watch a game and be out of there in 2 1/2 hours. Having TV exposure certainly did more to help the school than hurt it, but man it can be agony to have some great plays going on then all of a sudden the red hat guy walks out. DJExile fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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hifi posted:If they just showed you the 10 minutes between snaps and whistles you wouldn't have a clue what was going on though. basketball and hockey have natural lulls where they are taking the sport object up the playing surface into the attacking zone or they score and reset the game. Soccer all they do is run around for 90 minutes and i'm not convinced at all there is more action than any other american sport. Looking at the condensed games MLB puts together for each game, yesterday's games came in at 13:49 and 11:57, both of which were pretty low scoring games (6 runs/12 hits combined in each game). This just shows the last pitch of each plate appearance, and will show a slow motion replay of it if something exciting happened (strikeout, close play, defensive gem, etc). It'd be pretty hard to follow football if there was no time at all between plays, just like in baseball sometimes stuff happens beyond the end result. I've never really watched football a ton, and don't bother to watch a whole game other than like the games on at Thanksgiving and the Superbowl. I pretty much just watch the 5 minute highlight videos of each game Monday morning or the day after a game. Part of it is that I live in Orange County and have never really had a team and the Rams don't really feel like my team either, I still get surprised when I see the LA next to the score on the graphic. I don't remember the last time I watched an entire NFL game outside of the Superbowl. edit: Monday's ALCS game 3 condensed game was 19 mins long, not sure what the major differences in content are. Good Dog fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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Baseball was originally set at 9 innings to make the games last around 2 hours or less. Anything longer than that would have bored the fans, you see.
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I've probably watched 5 or 6 NFL games in person, including in the states and the game flows so much better in person. On the other hand, I was at a Tigers vs Indians game in 2011, Brad Penny starting which had what felt like a 20 minute top of one inning. It wasn't particularly high scoring, it just featured almost non-stop throws to keep the runner on first and after about a dozen of these I just got up and went to the stands to get a beer, so very tedious
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hifi posted:If they just showed you the 10 minutes between snaps and whistles you wouldn't have a clue what was going on though. basketball and hockey have natural lulls where they are taking the sport object up the playing surface into the attacking zone or they score and reset the game. Soccer all they do is run around for 90 minutes and i'm not convinced at all there is more action than any other american sport. The difference between soccer and football is that those guys are running around for 45 minutes a half with occasional breaks for an injury or setting up a corner. In Football the game is guys standing around for 45 minutes a quarter with occasional breaks of someone actually playing. If football had a play clock of like 15 seconds the game would be much improved, imo. If you're gonna compare football to anything the best comparison would be the game it's based on: rugby. Rugby has people standing around setting up play but the game doesn't feel nearly as boring as the NFL because poo poo actually happens, and there's not 10 minutes of review and then 15 minutes of commercials after every loving play.
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DJExile posted:Some poor bastard sat through a full day of all the debate shows and live blogged them Didnt get to PTI or ATH boo
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algebra testes posted:Didnt get to PTI or ATH boo To be fair I'd probably be burned out by the afternoon too after watching all that poo poo.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:On the other hand, I was at a Tigers vs Indians game in 2011, Brad Penny starting I'm so sorry.
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Ice To Meet You posted:I'm so sorry. Verlander came within 5 outs of a no hitter the night before, this was karma reasserting itself
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The commercial load and pauses in the NFL is calculated and constant; The NBA falls into this same trap too (ie - the last Anyone who is any sort of a televised sports purist knows that overtime NHL Playoff periods are mana from heaven. All commercial obligations are fulfilled and everything after period 3 is just plain gravy with next to zero cutaways. Even the announcers start to get punchy as they gotta fill the entire time especially when games go into double and triple OT. Soccer clicks those boxes too but I don't follow that sport.
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Things are the way they are and they're not changing but the flow of NFL games can get severely disrupted by the random injury or the inopportune score, say right before the 2 minute warning but then followed by a number of timeouts. Bill Barnwell tweeted out a link to a Mark Cuban interview from a couple years ago and I think Cuban is heading in the right direction with his quote. http://www.espn.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/10662203/dallas-mavericks-owner-mark-cuban-says-greedy-nfl-10-years-away-implosion Mark Cuban posted:"Just watch. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. When you try to take it too far, people turn the other way. I'm just telling you, when you've got a good thing and you get greedy, it always, always, always, always, always turns on you. That's rule No. 1 of business." It's hard to disagree. The ONLY reason I am watching NFL all day is because I have to for my job. And if you're remotely interested in NCAA football your entire week feels like its being monopolized. I'm much more excited for the NBA season than I am for the ongoing NFL season and I'm a vikings fan! Thursday games almost universally suck, they're trapped on a garbage network, and it honestly disrupts the teams having a short week to prepare. The other thing that I never liked is Monday Night Football moving to ESPN. It just felt wrong. The opening week double monday night football games felt bad, because the late one was so late. Then you have London Games so me, living on the west coast would in theory have to get up at 6:30am to catch kickoff. It's just getting a bit much.
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soggybagel posted:The other thing that I never liked is Monday Night Football moving to ESPN. It just felt wrong. The opening week double monday night football games felt bad, because the late one was so late. It also didn't help that the late game was a loving shitshow (with Berman waaaay back back back back past his prime(time)). The most memorable thing that did occur happened on the RADIO broadcast with Kevin Harland making the call for the drunk that ran out on the field in the 4th quarter. That was it and it wasn't even televised or acknowledged. ABC's MNF was once an event, it was special and it oozed class and production values for it's time. ESPN's package is a watered down also-ran garbagefest that rivals TNF to come up with the biggest yawnfest. The matchups are similar in that they are usually regional and most of the time non important. Let's harken back to better days! "Hark! Hark! Harkened he." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FSnnw4I2w
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Also when it moved to ESPN my grandparents couldn't watch the game anymore and they were sad so I got angry.
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soggybagel posted:Also when it moved to ESPN my grandparents couldn't watch the game anymore and they were sad so I got angry. Or was it you, with yer anger? So many avenues to maneuver here.
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Isn't the MNF deal part of what started really sinking ESPN too? As I recall, someone ITT said ESPN's side of the negotiations were handled by someone who was headed out the door and either didn't care much or was pretty vindictive. Maybe that was just rumor though.
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Any Given Wednesday may not be a very good show, but it sometimes has good segments. The one on the Chargers stadium referendum was amazing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS7KL84H1DM
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DJExile posted:Isn't the MNF deal part of what started really sinking ESPN too? As I recall, someone ITT said ESPN's side of the negotiations were handled by someone who was headed out the door and either didn't care much or was pretty vindictive. Maybe that was just rumor though.
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Also ESPN had the chance to stick with Sunday night games (with flex scheduling) but they hesitated and didn't expect NBC to swoop in
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Yeah it's pretty clear Sunday night football gets the better games and has kind of superseded MNF.
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I'd honestly like less games in all the major sports. And banish Thursday Night Football to the abyss.
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Even out the late and early games, allow broadcasts to move off 35-10 blowouts to another game, abolish TNF except thanksgiving, abolish 630 AM pacific bullshit London games. Add a second bye week (every team gets one weeks 4 - 10 and then another weeks 11 - 16). Keep the one good thing Goodell did with scheduling (week 17 all division games). ESPN and ABC are the same put MNF on NBC. Boom NFL is saved.
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Spoeank posted:Even out the late and early games, allow broadcasts to move off 35-10 blowouts to another game, abolish TNF except thanksgiving, abolish 630 AM pacific bullshit London games. Add a second bye week (every team gets one weeks 4 - 10 and then another weeks 11 - 16). Keep the one good thing Goodell did with scheduling (week 17 all division games). Even I don't watch the London games, and I live here. Also, knock off the prime time Thanksgiving game too, no-one wants that one
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Even I don't watch the London games, and I live here. Also, knock off the prime time Thanksgiving game too, no-one wants that one I do I'll take any excuse to not have to talk to my family
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Even I don't watch the London games, and I live here. Also, knock off the prime time Thanksgiving game too, no-one wants that one Dang brits and your war on t-giving
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Cool Buff Man posted:Dang brits and your war on t-giving look, it's technically OUR holiday and look what you've done to it. Turned it into a month early Christmas dinner! Also, Thursday evening football our time is a godsend Unmerciful posted:I do I'll take any excuse to not have to talk to my family me too, but I was in Detroit for Thanksgiving 2013, and no-one in the bar I was in even registered the game was on
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Akileese posted:Any Given Wednesday may not be a very good show, but it sometimes has good segments. The one on the Chargers stadium referendum was amazing. Huh that was really great.
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You know, I've been thinking something. People complain about the lack of strong personalities in the NFL, and that also extends to the sidelines -- we don't have as many entertaining coaches as we used to. Ratings dropped the year after Jim Tomsula got fired. Makes you think.
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algebra testes posted:Huh that was really great. The show does have great segments from time to time,. it's just hit or miss. There's a good show in there somewhere. Simmons just needs a producer to smack him in the face and filter out his really terrible ideas. I would watch infinitely more NFL games if Jim Tomsula did announcing and studio work. Someone make this happen please.
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Spoeank posted:Even out the late and early games, allow broadcasts to move off 35-10 blowouts to another game, abolish TNF except thanksgiving, abolish 630 AM pacific bullshit London games. Add a second bye week (every team gets one weeks 4 - 10 and then another weeks 11 - 16). Keep the one good thing Goodell did with scheduling (week 17 all division games). I'm cool with this plan. Also star suspending dudes who purposely inflict grievous head trauma on other players. A fifteen yard penalty is not a deterrent at all. Toss them out of the game and suspend them for the next if they can't remember how to tackle.
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